In Reply to: Re: Eminence LAB 12 drivers posted by tomservo on February 28, 2003 at 19:43:38:
Hello again Tom!You wrote:
> > At some point, the folks who did a shoot out in Michigan will
> > have the measurements and listening results posted on the basslist
> > so more actual data will be available soon.and I replied:
Here are the measurements from the " shootout ."
To which you replied:
> > Wayne, you did not actually look at the numbers very carefully.
> > Compare the response curves, distortion, impulse responses.
> > The LAB out performs the rest or at least that's what most of
> > the folks that were there thought. It went lower, louder and
> > with less distortion than anything else there.Actually, Tom, not only did I "look at the numbers very carefully" but I provided a link to them so that others could see them as well. I would encourage others to look at the data and make up their own minds, rather than to have you or I put our own spin on it. Personally, I love horns but I've also always been quick to point out that realistically, it's difficult to hit the bottom octave with a basshorn 'cause they just have to be so large. My comments are more a reflection of this opinion than an evaluation of any particular product offering.
> > While I would prefer it to be zero every where, the acoustic phase
> > is around zero starting at about 50 Hz upward to about 5 KHz.Looking at the impedance curve of the LAB horn, one can see peaks indicating reactive impedance. This means it isn't purely resistive, and so it cannot have zero degress of phase shift in those regions. I wouldn't expect any other sort of behaviour, so this isn't surprising. But you seem to be indicating otherwise here. Are you saying that your basshorn has no phase shift even in the regions where there are peaks in the impedance curve, which clearly indicate changes in reactive and resistive impedance?
> > The omnidrive is a powerful tool but I am not using it to correct
> > anything with "time" except for the crossover delay.What sort of digital processing are you doing for the basshorn? I see impedance peaks at 35, 50 and 80Hz, so I expect some movement of phase at these points and in between them. So I assume that since you attempt to time align the system, you must have a delay algorithm that accounts for this as well, yes?
Wayne
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Follow Ups
- Re: Eminence LAB 12 drivers - Wayne Parham 03/1/0300:42:37 03/1/03 (31)
- Re: Eminence LAB 12 drivers - tomservo 07:41:37 03/1/03 (30)
- Re: Eminence LAB 12 drivers - Wayne Parham 13:40:00 03/1/03 (29)
- Re: Eminence LAB 12 drivers - tomservo 14:41:48 03/1/03 (28)
- Re: Eminence LAB 12 drivers - Wayne Parham 20:42:18 03/1/03 (24)
- Re: Eminence LAB 12 drivers - tomservo 08:58:52 03/3/03 (18)
- Re: Eminence LAB 12 drivers - Wayne Parham 09:51:42 03/3/03 (17)
- What would you do instead Wayne ? - TDM 11:23:13 03/3/03 (16)
- Solution indicated by conditions - Wayne Parham 13:00:59 03/3/03 (15)
- Re: Solution indicated by conditions - TDM 17:27:49 03/3/03 (14)
- Re: Solution indicated by conditions - Wayne Parham 01:34:15 03/4/03 (13)
- Re: Solution indicated by conditions - tomservo 12:23:44 03/4/03 (11)
- LAB vs. Quad-18 at 30Hz - Wayne Parham 01:43:14 03/13/03 (0)
- Re: Solution indicated by conditions - Wayne Parham 15:50:17 03/4/03 (6)
- Re: Solution indicated by conditions - Mark Seaton 10:06:12 03/5/03 (5)
- Quotes of the Day - Wayne Parham 00:15:02 03/6/03 (4)
- Re:MisQuotes of the Day - tomservo 08:20:48 03/6/03 (3)
- No "spin" - Wayne Parham 15:09:37 03/6/03 (2)
- Re: No "spin" - carpenter 17:54:56 03/6/03 (1)
- Re: No "spin" - Wayne Parham 21:24:15 03/6/03 (0)
- Tomservo, are you saying Wayne's - Magnetar 15:43:55 03/4/03 (2)
- Re: Tomservo, are you saying Wayne's - tomservo 16:00:28 03/4/03 (1)
- Re: Tomservo, are you saying Wayne's - Magnetar 20:59:58 03/4/03 (0)
- Re: Solution indicated by conditions - TDM 05:38:17 03/4/03 (0)
- Re: Eminence LAB 12 drivers - hancock 10:40:59 03/2/03 (1)
- Re: Eminence LAB 12 drivers - carpenter 09:39:54 03/2/03 (3)
- Re: Eminence LAB 12 drivers - Wayne Parham 15:45:57 03/2/03 (2)
- Re: Eminence LAB 12 drivers - carpenter 16:33:00 03/2/03 (1)
- Re: Eminence LAB 12 drivers - Wayne Parham 22:11:53 03/2/03 (0)
- Re: Eminence LAB 12 drivers - hancock 16:14:03 03/1/03 (0)
- Re: Eminence LAB 12 drivers - js 15:52:26 03/1/03 (1)
- Thank you masked man :-) NT - tomservo 06:40:49 03/2/03 (0)