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Re: Actually, I have to admit....

Hello again!

You wrote:

> > Alas, I am embarrassed to admit, I didn't read the alleged
> > document as my poor 49kbps connection was hanging up like a
> > sorority girl at a Phone-In Jeopardy contest. I will try later
> > when conditions warrant.

OK. Fair enough. That thing is almost 3Mb, so it takes a while and I might have been tempted to ignore it for a while too, were I you.

But now then you might want to consider the 80 posts that resulted from my crossover document. You know, I have a couple hundred hours in that thing, and I sometimes forget not to have just a little expectation of, well, at least the absense of rudeness.

It isn't as if I posted errant nonsense. That document shows crossover circuits - from common to not-so-common ones - and it does it with the University of California, Berkley circuit analysis program, Spice . So it's a pretty useful text for just about everyone contemplating building a pair of speakers that need a passive crossover in them.

> > After spying that shot, I had to come up with something, some
> > beautiful line that would bring the image to bear fruit, to bring
> > it on home, as it were.

Yes. I saw you post it yesterday, and then remove it. I assume you got my reply; It is the same reply that I made to your post today.

> > Roman is just lucky I didn't post the shot of him; to say it was
> > priceless is an understatement. Perhaps that will be for later.

Yes. I saw that post yesterday too. I noticed you removed it.

> > Still, you have lost a bit of your edge in these responses by not
> > always staying on high ground. You let ole Romy get your goat;
> > indeed, not only did he get your goat, but he led it to water and
> > feed it from the trough.

Yes, I did. And I'll not apologize for it. Let me tell you something. I'm pretty pissed.

My participation on this forum is part of what keeps it going. There are a lot of guys having fun, playing around here, and some of 'em have decided to push their boundaries as far as they think they can. That's cool - I'll play too. But the insinuation you make is is very valid, and that is that we are all acting in a manner than takes a lot of the fun out of things. It would be much better that we all just go get laid, and quit f#cking around on this forum for a few days. Or maybe a few weeks.

I think the intent - at least the hope - of those that bring this forum to you is that it will be a resource of information and a fun place to be. And sadly, it isn't fun right now for many of the people who feel they've been burned or are headed in a direction where they might be scorned. Only a fool goes into a place where they aren't wanted, with the intent to try to "change people's minds." So I'm suggesting to all people that I've become friends with that they not do this. Just don't go. Don't go to events where you think someone might give you attitude, and don't post on this forum when you get tired of posting or think someone might be rude.

But my money is part of what keeps this forum going. So why are my guys feeling uncomfortable to participate? If you'll look through this website's list of contributors for this year, you're not going to see Roman Barnard or Mike Bates shown. And if you look through their posts, you're not going to see them giving technical information of the caliper of my crossover document either. In fact, you won't see any information from either of them at all.

What you will see from them is a singular purpose - to promote their own products. You'll notice that they are both dealers of something or another. They aren't technical people at all; They're salesmen. Nothing more and nothing less. I think they would both exclaim loudly that they have more to offer than that, and they may very well be right. But to belittle my engineering efforts is rude, disingenuous and arrogant. Absolutely unwarranted arrogance!

So you're right. Romy got my goat. Bates did too.

Let me tell you what really, really pisses me off. These two guys just trashed me here, on this thread. And what happens is evident in exactly the thing you did - Guys don't bother to read my document, and they just "jump on the bandwagon" instead. Next thing you know, I've got guys that built excellent speakers using my designs, and they don't want to participate in any events with these folks because it just isn't any fun.

And they're right. It isn't any fun. Check out our comments on the π Speakers forum , in the thread called " No wonder there aren't any posts here, lately ."

So that angers me in the extreme. Not only is it wrong morally, because you've got two component dealers who aren't even supporters of this forum trashing one who is - But it isn't right because neither of these two guys is technically competent enough to judge. That's harsh, but this argument has become harsh. I don't deny saying it and I won't back down.

So Romy deserved it and I'm not going to be remorseful for dishing it out. Bates did too. They should be ashamed. It should be they that is trashed, not me. And my guys absolutely shouldn't feel uncomfortable to show up at Lima. Mike and Romy should be the ones who feel uncomfortable. They should feel uncomfortable because they've made my guys feel unwelcome, and that's not cool at all.

Mike Bates - You can jump on this thread if you want to, but I'm just going to get meaner and meaner. I've calmed my friends and kept 'em off you but now I'm calming them so I can take you myself. You talk your trash and then have the gall to come on the forum and ask for help carrying your junk to Lima for beer money?!!! You should be ashamed of yourself!

Mike, I'll give you a subjective opinion - You betray those that would be your friends, and you haven't got a clue of what you're doing. In my book, that makes you a total waste of space. Perhaps not too scientific, but accurate, nonetheless.

And as for Romy, he is no better. He comes on this forum and acts like a psychopath. He claims that his posts are edited, as if any of us really expect his opinions to have depth and weight. Romy - You flatter yourself. We don't need to edit your stupid posts! Screw that! I'd just as soon allow Romy to state his case, and then give him the crap right back. The only thing I've got to say to Romy is, "Pashel na xyi!!!"

Now then, "mobile homeless" - You're right. I let it "get my goat." But you know what? That's because I'm human and I'll walk through it. I'm not ashamed to be angry. Perhaps I should be ashamed that I'm angry, and that in being angry, "I show my ass" just a little bit. You can all see that I'm angry, and my showing it in writing allows it to vent so that I don't come to Lima myself, just to shoot some stupid bastard. I don't want the court hassle and I don't need the jail time.

Well, I guess I was just a little pissed, wasn't I?

So I've vented and I've gotten it out. Let's get back to what else you had to say.

> > But Wayne, I am really confused as to how you can listen to a
> > Crown amplifier through those beasts?

I really like Microtech amps. Besides, the dymanic range is incredible. Seems that most of my paying customers are tube amp guys. I think many of the DIY builders are too. But as for me, I like horsepower. You can imagine watching a movie like "Pearl Harbor" at my house. Theaters rarely have a sound system as good as mine.

> > For the love of St. Nick, forget crossover distortion and phase
> > anomalies, that is the LEAST of your worries with that amp hooked
> > up to your super efficient horns! The Crown is probably one of the
> > single most unmusical amplifiers I have ever witnessed, and witness
> > I did, as I used several of the swill to power garage band PA systems
> > over the years.

Well, you're free to have that opinion. I don't represent Crown and I don't really care to defend them. I've had good luck with them. To tell the truth, I've been making sound systems for 25 years and I've always found that the biggest weak link is the loudspeakers, by a long shot. Some of the guys can disagree with my technical observation that (transistor) amplifiers are always well under 1% distortion so loudspeakers, having tens and hundreds of times more distortion than this, are the weak link. That's my technical observation but it is my subjective observation as well.

It always appears to me that the loudspeaker is what imparts its signature much more than the power amp, in every situation I've encountered. I'm sure that this isn't so with every amplifier, and particularly tube amplifiers will have more of their own sound. That's cool. Like I said, most of my customers are tube guys and I've catered to them. But as for me, I've found that transistor amps are pretty much commodities. The speaker is where you get the most coloroation, by far.

> > It almost SCARRED me against horns till the end of time, or loss
> > of hearing, whichever came first.

You might call me arrogant, but I'd say that you wouldn't have made this observation if you were listening through my speakers. You don't have to turn them all the way up. They're flat, they don't distort much and they are around 100dB at 1 watt, measured at 1 meter. When you send 'em a few hundred watts, that puts your dynamic range over 120dB. Again, you don't have to do that, but you can.

> > How are you able to carry on lucid conversation after subjecting
> > yourself to such horrifying sounds?

It helps me deal with the anger I feel towards some of these guys who bashed me for having the gall to put Spice analysis of first, second and third order Butterworth filters online.

Wayne

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