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Re: Party line.

Posted by CScottG on January 2, 2005 at 15:27:32

In Reply to: Re: Party line. posted by Paul Eizik on January 2, 2005 at 12:16:11:

"spot-on" was intended to be "in agreement"

(the "drink" was just my dry humor - I rarely drink, though sometimes my prose would suggest so).

I got the first part of your historic statement (but I think its rather moot - i.e. that humanity by nature "understands" that they have auditory locational ability, since the proverbial "dawn of time"). What wasn't clear (to me) was the use of the historic statement to draw an analogy (the 4th sentence of the paragraph).

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"It would seem by your statements that Mark is one of these people, by his touting their party line."

There is a "jump" in logic there. Mark is not neccesarily "one of those people" simply by stating such. This is especially true when your trying to work out WHY something is the way it is. In otherwords he is placing out a theory that seems plausible to him at that time based on his knowledge as he understands it. This doesn't mean he is inflexible toward comming to a different conclusion. In otherwords it's not neccesarily a "faith" for him (requiring dogmatic adherence a.k.a. the "party" or "true believers"), (and indeed the context of his post would suggest that it isn't).

My response had 2 particular qualities: to suggest that his analyis was flawed (and that he should look "deeper" into the subject), AND that similar conclusions (posted here in this forum and in other forums) by those believing (or wanting to believe) in the superiority of horns have in fact been mental "crutches" to disabuse themselves of the notion that their horn might not be performing accuratly.

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"The last speakers I heard Mark demonstrating were Tom Danley's Unitys. Are you refering to these speakers as being malfunctioning? What suggestions would you make to get them functioning correctly?"

I haven't heard them, so I wouldn't know.. That said limited dispersion (horizontally) per se IS flawed for mid and treble regions. So in this regard MOST horns are flawed. But loudspeaker building isn't a science - its an art. In otherwords a good horn (despite having some flaws - though recognizing them), may well be deemed superior to other designs because of other strengths they may bring to the design (..and reduced side-wall reflections would be a significant strength).

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As far as "buying-into" anything, nope thats not for me. I'm always willing to change my opinion on any subject provided logic and its support "seems" correct (understanding of course that what seems correct may not be). Life's a learning experience (and that pretty much sums-up everything).

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"Reflected sound is closely linked with the ear's ability to identify the direction of the sound, and the acoustic space it originates in."

Are you referring to the event, or its recreation? (i.e. are we out of context?) If its the former then I'm in complete agreement (though like the precedence equation of the Hass effect, basic locational cues RELATIVE TO FREQ. past a certain time do not). If its the latter AND confined to the upper midrange and treble (in a typical listening room situation) - then I believe you are quite mistaken. (but hey, I've said all this before..)

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"The ear is horn loaded, and the outer ear (the pina or horn part) collects sound, some of which is reflected off it's various ridges and convolutions. These reflections are combined with the more direct sound in the auditory canal to provide directional and distance range informaion of sound sources to our brain. All of this seems quite at odds with your assertion that reflected sound has little to do with imaging."

Its not at odds at all. HRTF's are not what I would consider "normal" reflections. PLEASE keep on context! Mark's original assertion was with regard to listening-room reflections. My reply was directed toward's listening room reflections. (i.e. the context was preserved.)

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In any event, I think of spent more than enough time with this and I'll not be posting another reply.

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