In Reply to: RE: "Jazz at the Pawnshop, - redbook better than the SACD or the vinyl".....disagree..... posted by mikel on May 29, 2007 at 22:23:45:
Mikel,
Let's see....seems to me that DSD has way over 100K bandwidth....no normal analog audio recorder can do that.....Now you might say that your turntable sounds more extended.....but measured bandwidth DSD has....
Also DXD which is a 352K PCM sampling system has a usable bandwidth of half of that....surely bandwidth is not the issue.
Have you heard the original raw DSD info in your home?..the very stuff the recorder made when recording?....this will tell you whether or not you are hearing what was originally recorded or problems in the transfer and playback. If you have not, then you are assuming that your playback system represents the playback possibilities of digital. How many people have had the original data recorded in their home? Have you? My feeling is that a stock Meitner stack playing a (probably untreated) SACD is no where near what was originally recorded. I could be wrong and that is why I would love to hear from those who do the recordings and are willing to honestly say what they hear. Some SACD recordists/manufacturers may not tell us the truth because they might want to make it seem that it is perfect, so you will keep buying them......I would like to know what is the actual truth about the transfer versus the raw data originally recorded. If the originally recorded thang is way better than the SACD then we need to come up with a better way of transferring and playing back....simple as that. I want the perfect sound forever. What is so cool about digital is that it is so inexpensive compared to super serious record players....Like a hard disc recorder that records and plays back double speed DSD for less than $1500!
When I make some of my recordings I hope you will let me come up with my "cheap" highly modified battery powered digital thing and play some double speed DSD original data "master tapes" for you......just might be fun. By the way, I posted the other day the wrong info about double speed DSD....I said it had something like 30db less noise at 50K than single speed....I was wrong...it is 52db less noise....that is 400 times less noise at 50K.....now we are talking way less possibilities of out of band info/noise bleeding back into the audible range.....this is good! Also having less out of band noise on the output means you can use less analog filtering (less output stage parts)....which always translates into more transparency. I wonder if the "phasiness" that some claim to hear with SACD is the out of band noise that single speed DSD has. There is always so much to learn and so much we just don't know.
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- RE: "Jazz at the Pawnshop, - redbook better than the SACD or the vinyl".....disagree..... - Ric Schultz 05/30/0700:06:02 05/30/07 (1)
- RE: "Jazz at the Pawnshop, - redbook better than the SACD or the vinyl".....disagree..... - mikel 06:52:57 05/30/07 (0)