In Reply to: Re: Perfect sound forever? posted by Kal Rubinson on March 9, 2004 at 09:15:23:
It would be totally irresponsible for Stereophile to report heresay.One thing though. When I read Consumer Reports they report repair rates for major brands, so that if I am considering buying a dishwasher I can compare the relative reapir rates of Maytag to Kenmore.
I imagine that this sort of thing is simply too difficult to track for hi-end audio. So my question is, as a consumer is there any way to get any reliable information about product reliability, or is hi-end audio basically a "you pays your money and you takes your chances" proposition? Any insight you might have would be appreciated.
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Follow Ups Full ThreadTopic - A candid exchange with John Atkinson: - regmac 08:32:08 03/8/04 (156)
- I don't quite understand the need... - DkB 21:48:00 03/10/04 (0)
- Re: A candid exchange with John Atkinson: - jsm 11:55:19 03/10/04 (0)
- John Atkinson's other "musings" regarding SACD.... - Numero Uno 18:05:07 03/9/04 (0)
- Re: A candid exchange with John Atkinson: - clubmyke 08:35:46 03/9/04 (0)
- Perfect sound forever? - PW 23:20:52 03/8/04 (12)
- Re: Perfect sound forever? - rick5 06:56:22 03/9/04 (11)
- Feeling Blu? - Max 09:41:39 03/9/04 (7)
- Re: Feeling Blu? - rick5 10:06:30 03/9/04 (6)
- Re: Feeling Blu? - Max 10:38:19 03/9/04 (5)
- Re: Feeling Blu? - Eric LeRouge 03:23:27 03/10/04 (4)
- Re: Feeling Blu? - Max 08:24:14 03/10/04 (3)
- Re: Feeling Blu? - Eric LeRouge 09:01:36 03/10/04 (2)
- Re: Feeling Blu? - Max 10:02:23 03/10/04 (1)
- I'll mark your words (nt:) - Eric LeRouge 11:55:11 03/10/04 (0)
- Re: Perfect sound forever? - Kal Rubinson 09:15:23 03/9/04 (2)
- Of course you are right.... - rebop 03/10/0407:17:51 03/10/04 (1)
- Re: Of course you are right.... - Kal Rubinson 08:12:44 03/10/04 (0)
- There is a way to tell the difference: multichannel - BobH 23:14:54 03/8/04 (4)
- Re: There is a way to tell the difference: multichannel - Sunnyvale Sam 10:57:08 03/9/04 (0)
- Bravo! <NT> - Kal Rubinson 09:11:07 03/9/04 (0)
- Re: There is a way to tell the difference: multichannel - MCH 09:01:34 03/9/04 (1)
- Re: There is a way to tell the difference: multichannel - regmac 11:18:47 03/9/04 (0)
- A counter challange Re: A candid exchange with John Atkinson: - Norman Tracy 22:16:46 03/8/04 (11)
- Re: A counter challange Re: A candid exchange with John Atkinson: - regmac 07:06:48 03/9/04 (10)
- Re: A counter challange Re: A candid exchange with John Atkinson: - Norman Tracy 22:28:23 03/9/04 (6)
- Re: A counter challange Re: A candid exchange with John Atkinson: - regmac 05:55:35 03/10/04 (2)
- Re: A counter challange Re: A candid exchange with John Atkinson: - Norman Tracy 09:22:28 03/10/04 (1)
- Re: A counter challange Re: A candid exchange with John Atkinson: - regmac 13:02:05 03/10/04 (0)
- "This is really all about Alpha male posturing ..." - Brilliant! - Christine Tham 05:04:08 03/10/04 (2)
- Re: "This is really all about Alpha male posturing ..." - Brilliant! - regmac 06:15:40 03/10/04 (1)
- sorry - my post was probably more negative than i intended ... - Christine Tham 08:54:00 03/10/04 (0)
- Baloney - Ted Smith 13:12:05 03/9/04 (2)
- Re: Baloney - regmac 13:20:26 03/9/04 (1)
- Re: Baloney - Ted Smith 13:24:44 03/9/04 (0)
- tired tirade - tunenut 20:18:57 03/8/04 (0)
- Re: A candid exchange with John Atkinson: (Long) - Anton 19:49:36 03/8/04 (1)
- Re: A candid exchange with John Atkinson: (Long) - Woodstock 14:08:56 03/9/04 (0)
- JA knows his stuff, but tends to evade direct criticism of products from his "MFA" - jeromelang 17:09:02 03/8/04 (0)
- Interesting - Stephen 13:42:44 03/8/04 (17)
- i wish JA would substantiate his view a bit more ... - Christine Tham 03:43:52 03/9/04 (3)
- Re: i wish JA would substantiate his view a bit more ... - regmac 12:07:39 03/9/04 (2)
- no - you never understood my point in the first place - Christine Tham 05:53:32 03/10/04 (1)
- Re: no - you never understood my point in the first place - regmac 06:17:56 03/10/04 (0)
- Re: Interesting - Dave Kingsland 14:44:14 03/8/04 (8)
- Found it - Stephen 14:59:27 03/8/04 (7)
- Re: Found it - Kal Rubinson 09:08:31 03/9/04 (2)
- Re: Found it - Stephen 13:49:10 03/9/04 (1)
- Re: Found it - Kal Rubinson 17:40:10 03/9/04 (0)
- Stephen, don't pick on the DV-50 - Jim Pearce 06:53:13 03/9/04 (0)
- Re: I am not sure its the same? - cuwill 17:34:30 03/8/04 (0)
- That was fast - Dave Kingsland 15:52:40 03/8/04 (1)
- Dunno - Stephen 16:14:36 03/8/04 (0)
- I agree - Eric LeRouge 14:06:39 03/8/04 (3)
- Re: I agree - Ted Smith 17:36:23 03/8/04 (2)
- Thanks Ted - Eric LeRouge 05:44:56 03/9/04 (1)
- Re: Thanks Ted - Ted Smith 12:45:11 03/9/04 (0)
- Just another deaf intellectual. - oldmkvi 13:35:55 03/8/04 (5)
- Nope, just deaf. Intellectuals expand our base of - Numero Uno 16:19:19 03/8/04 (0)
- Re: Just another deaf intellectual. - regmac 14:20:32 03/8/04 (3)
- Re: Just another deaf intellectual. - oldmkvi 13:20:08 03/9/04 (2)
- Why - Skeptic 13:09:21 03/8/04 (0)
- Why bother? - Dave Kingsland 13:06:48 03/8/04 (1)
- Amen [nt] - Ted Smith 17:25:56 03/8/04 (0)
- Re: A candid exchange with John Atkinson: - twystd 12:33:58 03/8/04 (7)
- Let alone room differences....by the way, when you go between - rick5 12:39:44 03/8/04 (6)
- I have checked many of my Hybrids with the spl meter... - vettracer 17:39:41 03/8/04 (0)
- Re: Let alone room differences....by the way, when you go between - twystd 12:58:07 03/8/04 (0)
- One man's subtle difference... - rebop 12:56:24 03/8/04 (3)
- Re: One man's subtle difference... - Skeptic 13:16:15 03/8/04 (2)
- Re: One man's subtle difference... - regmac 14:18:34 03/8/04 (1)
- Re: One man's subtle difference... - Skeptic 15:14:22 03/8/04 (0)
- Wow!! You should have sent this letter in to Stereophiile... - rick5 12:28:45 03/8/04 (2)
- Re: Wow!! You should have sent this letter in to Stereophiile... - clubmyke 08:34:21 03/9/04 (0)
- Re: Wow!! You should have sent this letter in to Stereophiile... - regmac 14:22:58 03/8/04 (0)
- Re: A candid exchange with John Atkinson: - Steelhead 12:19:04 03/8/04 (1)
- Re: But the Steelhead is still better. nt - patrickU 12:21:12 03/8/04 (0)
- Candid, even revelatory... - Jim Treanor 12:09:10 03/8/04 (16)
- Re: Candid, even revelatory... - regmac 12:25:22 03/8/04 (15)
- Re: Candid, even revelatory... - JMCIII 12:41:44 03/8/04 (14)
- If I touch you on the arm am I assaulting you?? - rick5 07:18:09 03/9/04 (0)
- Re: Candid, here, here - Romanesq 17:12:24 03/8/04 (2)
- I said it once and I'll say it again....... - Chris Garrett 22:04:48 03/8/04 (1)
- agreed -nt - theaudiohobby 01:48:01 03/9/04 (0)
- Re: Candid, even revelatory... - regmac 14:31:18 03/8/04 (9)
- Re: Candid, even revelatory... - JMCIII 15:52:32 03/8/04 (8)
- Re: Candid, even revelatory... - regmac 17:01:48 03/8/04 (7)
- Like I said, if your system isn't up to the job... - golden_ears 09:03:39 03/9/04 (1)
- Re: Like I said, if your system isn't up to the job... - regmac 12:11:50 03/9/04 (0)
- Re: Candid, even revelatory... - JMCIII 18:49:38 03/8/04 (3)
- Re: Candid, even revelatory... - regmac 19:32:39 03/8/04 (2)
- You don't hear differences between tubes and between SACDs and CDs? - Chris Garrett 19:46:56 03/8/04 (1)
- Re: You don't hear differences between tubes and between SACDs and CDs? - regmac 12:16:03 03/9/04 (0)
- The virtues of routine-smashing iconoclasm aside... - Jim Treanor 17:18:04 03/8/04 (0)
- Re: A candid exchange with John Atkinson: - jazzoid 11:52:39 03/8/04 (3)
- A simple toggle back and forth.... - rick5 12:13:39 03/8/04 (2)
- Re: A simple toggle back and forth.... - Ted Smith 17:20:18 03/8/04 (0)
- Re: A simple toggle back and forth.... - jazzoid 12:54:19 03/8/04 (0)
- Robert Parker - hexenboden 11:32:52 03/8/04 (2)
- Re: Robert Parker - regmac 14:09:44 03/8/04 (1)
- Whats wrong with SACD - hexenboden 13:06:25 03/9/04 (0)
- Re: A candid exchange with John Atkinson: - gialitt 11:22:39 03/8/04 (6)
- Re: A candid exchange with John Atkinson: - regmac 11:59:38 03/8/04 (5)
- This is why Sony wants to head to multi-channel.. - rick5 12:21:20 03/8/04 (4)
- I don't think Sony gives a flying *&%! whether or not anyone compares layers... - Methos 12:30:58 03/8/04 (3)
- So do you buy SACD's just because you can.... - rick5 12:36:28 03/8/04 (2)
- I used to compare layers, when I started out with my first SACDs... - Methos 12:47:22 03/8/04 (1)
- Ditto on all counts, except the DUI comparison. (nt) - JCS 06:24:54 03/9/04 (0)
- Re: A candid exchange with John Atkinson: - Bugs 11:22:29 03/8/04 (0)
- Re: A candid exchange with John Atkinson: - AI 10:28:08 03/8/04 (0)
- An informal experiment - MAP_ 10:01:12 03/8/04 (0)
- You're right - a $2,000.00 SACD player isn't good enough - golden_ears 09:32:45 03/8/04 (6)
- I hear difference in my $200 DVP-NS755V, and $2000 SCD-XA777ES... - Jim Stoneburner 12:13:57 03/8/04 (4)
- So did you actually adjust the output levels so both formats and players - rick5 12:23:33 03/8/04 (3)
- Re: So did you actually adjust the output levels so both formats and players - Kal Rubinson 13:46:21 03/8/04 (1)
- Ditto [nt] - Ted Smith 16:45:52 03/8/04 (0)
- Re: So did you actually adjust the output levels so both formats and players - Dave Kingsland 13:20:15 03/8/04 (0)
- Re: You're right - a $2,000.00 SACD player isn't good enough - regmac 09:52:41 03/8/04 (0)
- Sounds as though John's not really interested in your thesis, regmac...although he did toss you a small bone. - Methos 09:02:35 03/8/04 (22)
- I think Mr Atkinson has been extremely clear on this issue... - Eric LeRouge 11:00:02 03/8/04 (13)
- Yes, he told us: - Methos 11:37:28 03/8/04 (7)
- Re: Hahaha..... Very good, indeed! nt - patrickU 12:23:32 03/8/04 (0)
- Well, I could decipher his subtle message: - Eric LeRouge 12:00:48 03/8/04 (5)
- well, as methos pointed out, that statement is quite weak and can be interpreted in many ways ... - Christine Tham 01:19:33 03/9/04 (1)
- If you ask the Sphinx a question... - Eric LeRouge 11:50:18 03/9/04 (0)
- Yep, I will allow the difference is subtle, if I'm 1) several rooms away or 2) trying to watch TV down the hall. :-) - Methos 12:20:38 03/8/04 (2)
- That's a start (nt :) - Eric LeRouge 12:34:13 03/8/04 (1)
- Good one!! :') - rick5 12:41:16 03/8/04 (0)
- Re: I think Mr Atkinson has been extremely clear on this issue... - patrickU 11:33:49 03/8/04 (4)
- Really? - Eric LeRouge 12:09:49 03/8/04 (3)
- Re: Really? - patrickU 12:16:27 03/8/04 (2)
- Re: Really? - Eric LeRouge 12:42:43 03/8/04 (1)
- Re: Really? - patrickU 12:47:48 03/8/04 (0)
- yes - i found it fascinating how John managed to avoid commenting on regmac's views :-) - Christine Tham 09:37:44 03/8/04 (4)
- Exactly.. - SoftwireEngineer 10:23:50 03/8/04 (1)
- Re: Exactly.. - patrickU 10:25:14 03/8/04 (0)
- Re: Is He not ? nt - patrickU 10:07:03 03/8/04 (0)
- Re: yes - i found it fascinating how John managed to avoid commenting on regmac's views :-) - regmac 09:57:06 03/8/04 (0)
- Re: Sounds as though John's not really interested in your thesis, regmac...although he did toss you a small bone. - regmac 09:36:11 03/8/04 (2)
- I don't think JA is an "effusive" sort of guy...I doubt that he wanted to argue with you about what you say you hear. - Methos 09:44:23 03/8/04 (1)
- Re: I don't think JA is an "effusive" sort of guy...I doubt that he wanted to argue with you about what you say you hear - regmac 09:59:10 03/8/04 (0)
- Re: You can not tell when..... - patrickU 08:56:32 03/8/04 (13)
- The difference between writing a review with the intent to... - rick5 10:46:03 03/8/04 (12)
- Rick5, I'll stop reading your posts... - Eric LeRouge 11:24:34 03/8/04 (10)
- Re: I agree Eric! Maybe because we are French?.... - patrickU 12:19:59 03/8/04 (5)
- That must be it :) - Eric LeRouge 12:37:08 03/8/04 (4)
- Eric my good man: - regmac 15:58:37 03/8/04 (1)
- Nice story - Eric LeRouge 02:31:53 03/9/04 (0)
- Re: That must be it :) - patrickU 12:39:00 03/8/04 (1)
- Could be worse.ALL CAPS!!!!!!!!!Gary.nt - Guss2 13:35:31 03/8/04 (0)
- Geez, Erik, I thought you were European and could handle.. - rick5 11:41:12 03/8/04 (3)
- Just making a comment - Eric LeRouge 12:23:56 03/8/04 (2)
- You cannot even surf the site? The website has these reviews in its archive - rick5 12:31:17 03/8/04 (1)
- Re: You cannot even surf the site? The website has these reviews in its archive - John Atkinson 08:58:49 03/11/04 (0)
- Re: The difference between writing a review with the intent to... - patrickU 11:06:28 03/8/04 (0)
Follow Ups
- Of course you are right.... - rebop 03/10/0407:17:51 03/10/04 (1)
- Re: Of course you are right.... - Kal Rubinson 08:12:44 03/10/04 (0)