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Topic - Something for us to argue about :-) Isn't it time we stop misusing "subjectivist" and "objectivist"? - Analog Scott 23:03:38 01/2/23 (169)

156 responses so far and counting... - Ivan303 07:49:28 01/9/23 (0)

Misuse of subjective/objective is never going to happen - Jay Buridan 11:53:25 01/8/23 (7)

Is an apple red if nobody is looking at it? Nt - geoffkait 13:05:16 01/8/23 (3)

RE: Is an apple red if nobody is looking at it? Nt - tomservo 13:33:19 01/8/23 (2)

I'm pretty sure your example begged the question - Jay Buridan 06:50:07 01/10/23 (1)

How is that begging the question? - Analog Scott 12:03:31 01/10/23 (0)

"Each is the sound of one hand clapping" if you're talking the no sound you'd be correct - Story 12:00:01 01/8/23 (2)

Mum's the word - Jay Buridan 06:55:00 01/10/23 (1)

RE: Mum's the word - Story 07:26:55 01/10/23 (0)

Toole & Oliver are about statistically compiling subjective preferences ... - Feanor 04:50:27 01/6/23 (40)

RE: Toole & Oliver are about statistically compiling subjective preferences ... - hahax@verizon.net 10:12:46 01/8/23 (5)

To me that's a red flag - Analog Scott 13:54:11 01/8/23 (4)

But then, there's the other problem. - peppy m. 08:43:06 01/10/23 (3)

absolutely - Analog Scott 12:05:38 01/10/23 (0)

Good doesn't mean anything. Good is the enemy of the best. Nt - geoffkait 08:56:54 01/10/23 (1)

In the minds of some, perhaps. (nt - peppy m. 09:14:21 01/10/23 (0)

RE: Toole & Oliver are about statistically compiling subjective preferences ... - geoffkait 05:32:10 01/6/23 (33)

Toole's research at the NRC long preceded his work at Harman, and was not a marketing ploy - Brian H P 16:08:48 01/10/23 (3)

Logical fallacy alert! - geoffkait 17:18:38 01/10/23 (2)

"Enjoyment" is a subjective phenomenon, and not meaningless to those who experience it - Brian H P 13:19:08 01/11/23 (1)

Reminds me of Pleasantville, everything is pleasant, in a black and white kind of way. - geoffkait 14:12:34 01/11/23 (0)

RE: Toole & Oliver are about statistically compiling subjective preferences ... - tomservo 14:57:59 01/6/23 (20)

Agree that a downward sloping FR curve sounds better - Feanor 06:26:11 01/7/23 (3)

RE: Agree that a downward sloping FR curve sounds better - geoffkait 08:29:57 01/7/23 (2)

RE: Agree that a downward sloping FR curve sounds better - tomservo 09:00:49 01/7/23 (1)

RE: Agree that a downward sloping FR curve sounds better - geoffkait 09:57:07 01/7/23 (0)

May have been so 30 years ago. Not now - Analog Scott 18:02:37 01/6/23 (12)

RE: May have been so 30 years ago. Not now - hahax@verizon.net 10:22:42 01/8/23 (1)

RE: May have been so 30 years ago. Not now - Analog Scott 16:05:44 01/8/23 (0)

RE: May have been so 30 years ago. Not now - tomservo 07:46:35 01/7/23 (3)

RE: May have been so 30 years ago. Not now - geoffkait 13:36:39 01/8/23 (0)

RE: May have been so 30 years ago. Not now - Analog Scott 05:15:10 01/8/23 (0)

Enlightening, appreciative the quality, lot to digest - Edp 23:13:03 01/7/23 (0)

True, but there remains the issues of dispersion and distortion - Feanor 06:31:43 01/7/23 (1)

RE: True, but there remains the issues of dispersion and distortion - Analog Scott 04:56:03 01/8/23 (0)

BTW, there's a new Yuja thread over in Classical - Chris from Lafayette 19:14:06 01/6/23 (1)

RE: BTW, there's a new Yuja thread over in Classical - tomservo 08:55:24 01/7/23 (0)

Ahem. . . as I was saying elsewhere in this thread. . . - Chris from Lafayette 19:11:00 01/6/23 (1)

RE: Ahem. . . as I was saying elsewhere in this thread. . . - Analog Scott 21:32:49 01/6/23 (0)

"Frequency response is the dominant audible property of loudspeakers." - geoffkait 15:40:28 01/6/23 (2)

RE: "Frequency response is the dominant audible property of loudspeakers." - tomservo 17:17:15 01/6/23 (1)

RE: "Frequency response is the dominant audible property of loudspeakers." - geoffkait 05:08:09 01/7/23 (0)

But one could easily show that you also work by marketing ploy - Edp 09:56:44 01/6/23 (7)

I never said marketing ploys were bad, silly. - geoffkait 11:07:04 01/6/23 (6)

Award winning backstroke - Edp 11:33:17 01/6/23 (5)

Ed, you're up against the "nicest guy in high school" award winner - Story 12:36:27 01/6/23 (3)

That's weird, I always pictured you in a dress. Nt - geoffkait 13:21:55 01/6/23 (2)

Something wrong with wearing both types of clothing ? - peppy m. 14:52:38 01/6/23 (0)

you gotta stop coming on to me Geoff, I'm not that kind of girl - Story 14:40:02 01/6/23 (0)

Reading comprehension fail - geoffkait 11:57:49 01/6/23 (0)

Is it time for Rodney King? - mlsstl 09:27:01 01/5/23 (0)

RE: Isn't time we stopped... - B. Scarpia 18:06:35 01/4/23 (8)

RE: Isn't time we stopped... - DustyC 08:22:15 01/5/23 (7)

What would you like to talk about? - geoffkait 08:43:03 01/5/23 (6)

RE: What would you like to talk about? - DustyC 13:12:39 01/5/23 (4)

Nothing? - geoffkait 13:34:19 01/5/23 (3)

Yes! - DustyC 13:46:05 01/5/23 (2)

RE: Yes! - geoffkait 14:01:06 01/5/23 (1)

RE: Yes! - DustyC 14:13:04 01/5/23 (0)

RE: Something meaningful to all, like... - B. Scarpia 08:50:15 01/5/23 (0)

Pseudo-Science - Goober58 15:59:59 01/4/23 (1)

RE: Pseudo-Science - chocolate_lover 16:35:38 01/4/23 (0)

Isn't it time we stop abusing subjectivists and objectivist? - tomservo 12:22:19 01/4/23 (1)

Have you checked this out yet? - Analog Scott 19:50:51 01/4/23 (0)

"Both actual scientists who are advocates of using scientific protocols" - geoffkait 10:41:24 01/4/23 (0)

Agreed. We are all a little bit of both. - Ozzie 08:20:06 01/4/23 (1)

RE: Agreed. We are all a little bit of both. - Analog Scott 15:45:03 01/4/23 (0)

Well, looks like it worked. nt - ghost of olddude55 05:32:53 01/4/23 (3)

not really. Looks like some folks missed the ;-) part nt - Analog Scott 18:09:38 01/4/23 (0)

Getting a LOT more attention than the "Being Immersed in Music" thread... - musetap 11:02:05 01/4/23 (1)

Now we're being immersed in something else. Nt - geoffkait 12:14:58 01/4/23 (0)

It comes down to whether or not you believe only things in the signal path affect the sound. - geoffkait 03:54:51 01/4/23 (24)

If subconscious forces are as powerful as you claim they are... - peppy m. 08:54:22 01/10/23 (0)

Did your objectivist side or your subjectivist side reach those conclusions? - 13th Duke of Wymbourne 17:53:28 01/4/23 (7)

You're getting colder - geoffkait 04:59:32 01/5/23 (6)

RE: You're getting colder - 13th Duke of Wymbourne 13:05:16 01/5/23 (5)

Excuse me?! - geoffkait 14:25:55 01/5/23 (4)

RE: Excuse me?! - 13th Duke of Wymbourne 19:30:26 01/5/23 (3)

RE: Excuse me?! - geoffkait 02:45:57 01/6/23 (2)

RE: Excuse me?! - 13th Duke of Wymbourne 12:38:24 01/6/23 (1)

RE: Excuse me?! - geoffkait 13:24:48 01/6/23 (0)

Please provide a list of things that do not make a system sound bad. - peppy m. 15:54:33 01/4/23 (10)

"Is everything bad for the sound?" - geoffkait 16:14:07 01/4/23 (9)

OTOH. . . - Chris from Lafayette 17:41:38 01/4/23 (8)

I see what you mean - geoffkait 05:05:12 01/5/23 (7)

RE: "these subconscious mental states" - Sounds like what is called "autism" elsewhere. - peppy m. 09:07:11 01/5/23 (6)

You're getting colder. Nt - geoffkait 09:24:57 01/5/23 (5)

I know, I know. But putting clothing on might disturb the sound. (nt - peppy m. 09:30:06 01/5/23 (4)

You're a sick little monkey. :-) - geoffkait 09:34:53 01/5/23 (3)

He may be "a sick little monkey", but he could be on to something! [nt] ;-) - Chris from Lafayette 11:58:51 01/5/23 (2)

Monkey see, monkey do ! - peppy m. 15:33:34 01/7/23 (0)

I never said he wasn't on something. Nt - geoffkait 12:04:57 01/5/23 (0)

Good points geoff - Chris from Lafayette 13:23:16 01/4/23 (3)

RE: Good points geoff - geoffkait 13:55:03 01/4/23 (0)

But there are "special tweaks" for that ;-) - AbeCollins 13:36:57 01/4/23 (1)

You mean the scary ones? - geoffkait 13:43:57 01/4/23 (0)

RE: Something for us to argue about :-) Isn't it time we stop misusing "subjectivist" and "objectivist"? - Krav Maga 21:27:18 01/3/23 (6)

RE: Something for us to argue about :-) Isn't it time we stop misusing "subjectivist" and "objectivist"? - Analog Scott 00:49:11 01/4/23 (5)

RE: Something for us to argue about :-) Isn't it time we stop misusing "subjectivist" and "objectivist"? - 91derlust 01:32:21 01/4/23 (4)

dang! good catch - Analog Scott 18:17:31 01/4/23 (3)

RE: dang! good catch - Inmate51 19:29:55 01/4/23 (2)

RE: dang! good catch - geoffkait 05:12:44 01/5/23 (0)

now you're just piling on.... - Analog Scott 19:53:10 01/4/23 (0)

RE: Something for us to argue about :-) Isn't it time we stop misusing "subjectivist" and "objectivist"? - Tre' 19:14:17 01/3/23 (4)

RE: Something for us to argue about :-) Isn't it time we stop misusing "subjectivist" and "objectivist"? - Analog Scott 19:35:43 01/3/23 (3)

RE: Something for us to argue about :-) Isn't it time we stop misusing "subjectivist" and "objectivist"? - Tre' 06:37:01 01/4/23 (0)

RE: Something for us to argue about :-) Isn't it time we stop misusing "subjectivist" and "objectivist"? - Rod M 20:00:37 01/3/23 (1)

RE: Something for us to argue about :-) Isn't it time we stop misusing "subjectivist" and "objectivist"? - Analog Scott 21:14:44 01/3/23 (0)

This mean we're done arguing about absolute polarity?... - musetap 16:39:58 01/3/23 (4)

There is a bunch of things we could debate but the group is burned out on them - geoffkait 09:34:32 01/4/23 (2)

We could debate whether debating OR arguing subjects is preferable... - musetap 12:44:58 01/4/23 (1)

They're the same thing - geoffkait 04:20:42 01/8/23 (0)

RE: This mean we're done arguing about absolute polarity?... - Todd Krieger 02:09:28 01/4/23 (0)

Because of how you have tailored your definitions, it distorts the discussion - Rzado 16:17:00 01/3/23 (1)

OK...OK....an interesting post - Analog Scott 18:45:37 01/3/23 (0)

Compare source signal input with loudspeaker output at the listening position. - peppy m. 12:45:34 01/3/23 (7)

Not exactly the same, but... - E-Stat 01/3/2314:28:38 01/3/23 (0)

RE: Compare source signal input with loudspeaker output at the listening position. - Analog Scott 14:16:25 01/3/23 (5)

RE: Compare source signal input with loudspeaker output at the listening position. - Krav Maga 19:33:00 01/4/23 (1)

RE: Compare source signal input with loudspeaker output at the listening position. - Analog Scott 21:50:24 01/4/23 (0)

RE: Compare source signal input with loudspeaker output at the listening position. - Krav Maga 19:33:38 01/3/23 (2)

RE: Compare source signal input with loudspeaker output at the listening position. - Inmate51 21:19:13 01/4/23 (0)

RE: Compare source signal input with loudspeaker output at the listening position. - Analog Scott 21:21:49 01/3/23 (0)

RE: Something for us to argue about :-) Isn't it time we stop misusing "subjectivist" and "objectivist"? - Todd Krieger 12:41:19 01/3/23 (1)

RE: Something for us to argue about :-) Isn't it time we stop misusing "subjectivist" and "objectivist"? - Analog Scott 15:06:19 01/3/23 (0)

how much do they pay? - Story 11:57:00 01/3/23 (0)

RE: Something for us to argue about :-) Isn't it time we stop misusing "subjectivist" and "objectivist"? - Inmate51 10:48:24 01/3/23 (1)

RE: Something for us to argue about :-) Isn't it time we stop misusing "subjectivist" and "objectivist"? - Analog Scott 15:41:42 01/3/23 (0)

RE: Such Nonsense! - Mel 10:38:47 01/3/23 (17)

You must understand - E-Stat 12:37:09 01/3/23 (14)

RE: You must understand - Analog Scott 12:45:49 01/3/23 (13)

Happy New Year! - E-Stat 14:24:29 01/3/23 (12)

RE: Happy New Year! - Inmate51 10:45:41 01/4/23 (11)

RE: Happy New Year! - Mel 10:38:48 01/5/23 (5)

RE: Happy New Year! - Analog Scott 16:20:34 01/5/23 (0)

An Important Point? - Inmate51 12:13:49 01/5/23 (3)

Specifi tone is not the only character involved - E-Stat 14:27:59 01/6/23 (1)

RE: Specifi tone is not the only character involved - Analog Scott 21:57:35 01/6/23 (0)

RE: An Important Point? - Analog Scott 16:21:54 01/5/23 (0)

RE: Happy New Year! - Analog Scott 18:15:05 01/4/23 (4)

Of Microphones and Sound - Inmate51 11:39:45 01/5/23 (0)

HP may have been well intended - Steve O 08:35:03 01/5/23 (2)

A bit more than that... - E-Stat 14:03:19 01/6/23 (1)

RE: A bit more than that... - Analog Scott 22:54:48 01/6/23 (0)

RE: Such Nonsense! - Analog Scott 12:12:44 01/3/23 (1)

Use of bad language and ad hominem attacks is not really a good way to win arguments. Nt - geoffkait 12:22:41 01/3/23 (0)

Ain't nothin' pure in this world ? (nt - peppy m. 10:17:36 01/3/23 (0)

nope, I'm against it. - LtMandella 09:34:34 01/3/23 (0)

I think each INDIVIDUAL can have his or her own "absolute sound" reference, but that personal - MWE 08:01:21 01/3/23 (0)

Actually - E-Stat 06:49:07 01/3/23 (0)

RE: Something for us to argue about :-) Isn't it time we stop misusing "subjectivist" and "objectivist"? - Ivan303 06:25:49 01/3/23 (0)

You can't debunk something that's not bunk. - geoffkait 04:12:14 01/3/23 (16)

Got a source for that "quote"? - Steve O 05:52:56 01/3/23 (15)

Daniel Drasin - -æ- 07:35:41 01/3/23 (2)

Found it . . . Unclear so far that it supports Geoff (nt) - Steve O 07:41:20 01/3/23 (1)

Informed skepticism vs uninformed pseudo-skepticism - geoffkait 14:31:57 01/4/23 (0)

RE: Got a source for that "quote"? - geoffkait 06:03:42 01/3/23 (11)

So . . . - Steve O 07:01:34 01/3/23 (10)

It's a rhetorical statement - geoffkait 09:15:53 01/3/23 (9)

"promising fields of inquiry" Is not a rhetorical statement - Steve O 09:25:34 01/3/23 (8)

Fair enough - geoffkait 11:43:59 01/3/23 (7)

With your most recent edit - Steve O 16:42:06 01/3/23 (6)

The article I quoted was written 30 years ago. Hel-loo! Nt - geoffkait 17:45:28 01/3/23 (2)

And?????? - Steve O 18:38:03 01/3/23 (1)

Those "promising fields of inquiry" were not as fully investigated as they are today. Nt - geoffkait 02:54:46 01/4/23 (0)

Why would anyone respond to comments I deleted? Nt - geoffkait 17:01:39 01/3/23 (2)

Because had I the time to respond when I first read it - Steve O 18:37:05 01/3/23 (1)

You never put your toe in the same stream twice - geoffkait 05:51:20 01/4/23 (0)

Good points, Scott! [nt] - Chris from Lafayette 00:47:40 01/3/23 (0)

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