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In Reply to: You're close. Very close! posted by geoffkait on December 23, 2021 at 13:43:12:
... would em.nate from the five basic attributes that I m.ntioned.As long as the listener perceives a pleasing sense of balance with all necessary ingredients in a state of action, he or she would probably feel "good to go".
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Follow Ups Full ThreadTopic - *if* "live acoustic music" is the reference for judging audio what is the reference for judging live acoustic music? - Analog Scott 10:48:24 12/23/21 (223)
- RE: *if* "live acoustic music" is the reference for judging audio what is the reference for judging live acoustic music? - Krav Maga 20:04:46 03/3/22 (4)
- RE: *if* "live acoustic music" is the reference for judging audio what is the reference for judging live acoustic music? - geoffkait 05:19:23 03/4/22 (3)
- "Good ears are made, not born." - Krav Maga 16:52:26 03/7/22 (2)
- RE: "Good ears are made, not born." - geoffkait 11:06:39 03/8/22 (1)
- "...Woulda, shoulda, coulda. If I was 6' 10' I could have played pro b-ball." - Krav Maga 12:01:57 03/8/22 (0)
- You don't need a reference for live music! - StephenJK 04:27:58 03/1/22 (0)
- The most basic REQUIREMENT for judging live acoustic music is "audibility" - peppy m. 11:32:54 12/27/21 (12)
- Good is the enemy of the best - geoffkait 16:09:45 12/27/21 (0)
- My answer - Analog Scott 14:15:54 12/27/21 (10)
- The starting transient or "initial attack" phase of any sound or instrument ... - peppy m. 11:55:59 12/28/21 (1)
- RE: The starting transient or "initial attack" phase of any sound or instrument ... - geoffkait 05:29:46 03/9/22 (0)
- My answer - E-Stat 09:02:44 12/28/21 (7)
- Sorry but that is just not true - Analog Scott 09:33:06 12/28/21 (6)
- Clearly, we hear differently - E-Stat 09:49:15 12/28/21 (5)
- I'm fine with other opinions - Analog Scott 11:02:51 12/28/21 (4)
- It's truly sad... - E-Stat 11:16:01 12/28/21 (3)
- typical audiophile disconnect with reality - Analog Scott 11:46:26 12/28/21 (2)
- Scott's an "audiophile" and a scientist." - geoffkait 13:20:38 12/28/21 (0)
- Yours is the last word -nt - E-Stat 11:53:47 12/28/21 (0)
- I Look At This Thread..... And......... - Todd Krieger 09:36:37 12/27/21 (0)
- Vienna, Berliner, Chicago, Boston, Kingsway Hall - geoffkait 09:48:39 12/26/21 (0)
- Can the sound quality of a venue be objectively measured? - Feanor 05:15:45 12/26/21 (12)
- the sound quality of a venues are objectively measured? - Analog Scott 08:37:51 12/26/21 (11)
- And "digital tricks" can, paradoxically, result in. . . - Chris from Lafayette 15:13:35 12/26/21 (0)
- So would 'live sound' in a good-measuring hall be the standard? - Feanor 11:55:08 12/26/21 (9)
- RE: So would 'live sound' in a good-measuring hall be the standard? - Analog Scott 13:29:09 12/26/21 (8)
- Your extensive experience seems to support my skepticism - Feanor 04:33:19 12/27/21 (7)
- Single live sound? - Goober58 09:04:02 12/27/21 (4)
- RE: Single live sound? - Analog Scott 10:00:26 12/27/21 (3)
- RE: Single live sound? - Goober58 12:11:12 12/27/21 (2)
- don't under estimate the value of measurements - Analog Scott 13:48:45 12/27/21 (1)
- I don't remember the last time i measured anything. - geoffkait 04:27:30 12/29/21 (0)
- yeah, I think we pretty much agree - Analog Scott 08:52:16 12/27/21 (1)
- RE: yeah, I think we pretty much agree - Goober58 09:17:30 12/27/21 (0)
- RE: *if* "live acoustic music" is the reference for judging audio what is the reference for judging live acoustic music? - Tre' 14:10:58 12/25/21 (72)
- That is an interesting answer - Analog Scott 16:24:15 12/25/21 (71)
- RE: That is an interesting answer - Tre' 19:40:55 12/25/21 (70)
- "Who am I to judge?" - Analog Scott 20:48:19 12/25/21 (69)
- RE: "Who am I to judge?" - Tre' 21:30:50 12/25/21 (68)
- I think this goes right to the heart of it - Analog Scott 23:56:04 12/25/21 (67)
- That record/CD/download is not a keeper. - Goober58 10:37:28 12/26/21 (0)
- RE: I think this goes right to the heart of it - Tre' 06:19:23 12/26/21 (64)
- RE: I think this goes right to the heart of it - Analog Scott 11:13:51 12/26/21 (63)
- "One dimensional signal" - geoffkait 18:12:46 12/26/21 (2)
- RE: "One dimensional signal" - roberttcan 19:52:23 02/28/22 (1)
- RE: "One dimensional signal" - geoffkait 13:47:10 03/2/22 (0)
- gone off the rails - Story 12:06:30 12/26/21 (2)
- i don't thinou are off the rails - Analog Scott 13:44:11 12/26/21 (1)
- off the rails again with remembrances - Story 15:49:41 12/26/21 (0)
- three dimensional acoustic waveform? - Tre' 11:48:01 12/26/21 (55)
- Yes, you have two ears. that is the magic key to stereo - Analog Scott 14:01:05 12/26/21 (23)
- Yes - but some illusions are more accurate than others - Chris from Lafayette 14:52:19 12/26/21 (15)
- not hung up on that at all - Analog Scott 16:47:36 12/26/21 (14)
- We've discussed this before - probably no need to rehash it in this thread [nt] ;-) - Chris from Lafayette 00:39:10 12/27/21 (0)
- RE: not hung up on that at all - RV817 18:54:20 12/26/21 (12)
- RE: not hung up on that at all - Analog Scott 21:29:44 12/26/21 (11)
- RE: not hung up on that at all - RV817 21:36:29 12/26/21 (10)
- where's the beef? - Analog Scott 09:12:27 12/27/21 (9)
- RE: where's the beef? - RV817 11:31:17 12/27/21 (8)
- RE: where's the beef? - Analog Scott 13:51:39 12/27/21 (7)
- RE: where's the beef? - RV817 14:11:44 12/27/21 (6)
- RE: where's the beef? - Analog Scott 14:58:07 12/27/21 (5)
- RE: where's the beef? - Tre' 14:09:19 12/28/21 (1)
- RE: where's the beef? - Analog Scott 14:39:50 12/28/21 (0)
- RE: where's the beef? - RV817 19:00:55 12/27/21 (2)
- news to me - Analog Scott 23:36:06 12/27/21 (1)
- RE: news to me - RV817 12:23:57 12/28/21 (0)
- RE: Yes, you have two ears. that is the magic key to stereo - Tre' 14:08:10 12/26/21 (6)
- What about them? - Analog Scott 16:48:34 12/26/21 (4)
- RE: What about them? - Tre' 17:00:32 12/26/21 (3)
- RE: What about them? - Analog Scott 17:16:46 12/26/21 (2)
- RE: What about them? - Tre' 17:30:51 12/26/21 (1)
- I still enjoy both live music and audio - Analog Scott 08:54:02 12/27/21 (0)
- Trick question - geoffkait 14:38:12 12/26/21 (0)
- RE: three dimensional acoustic waveform? - pictureguy 12:29:37 12/26/21 (30)
- RE: three dimensional acoustic waveform? - Analog Scott 14:05:14 12/26/21 (1)
- "There be audiophiles in these waters" - geoffkait 11:32:07 12/27/21 (0)
- The four dimensions are L, W, H and time in normal parlance. See my post below. Nt - geoffkait 12:40:42 12/26/21 (27)
- ALL of which we can capture and reproduce now - via Dolby Atmos, DTS:X. . . Yeay! [nt] - Chris from Lafayette 14:46:48 12/26/21 (1)
- But my point is they are already in the recording. Nt - geoffkait 15:26:32 12/26/21 (0)
- RE: The four dimensions are L, W, H and time in normal parlance. See my post below. Nt - pictureguy 14:34:01 12/26/21 (24)
- Huh? - geoffkait 16:05:20 12/26/21 (23)
- RE: Huh? - pictureguy 19:00:38 12/26/21 (22)
- RE: Huh? - RV817 20:07:21 12/26/21 (21)
- RE: Huh? - pictureguy 20:21:27 12/26/21 (20)
- RE: Huh? - RV817 21:24:15 12/26/21 (19)
- RE: Huh? - pictureguy 21:41:34 12/26/21 (18)
- Huh? Again - geoffkait 06:43:17 12/27/21 (4)
- RE: Huh? Again - pictureguy 11:28:12 12/27/21 (3)
- Am I high? - geoffkait 12:41:17 12/27/21 (2)
- RE: Am I high? - pictureguy 13:38:44 12/27/21 (1)
- Putting words in my mouth - geoffkait 15:08:15 12/27/21 (0)
- RE: Huh? - RV817 22:40:05 12/26/21 (12)
- Spacetime, let's play catch-up - geoffkait 06:56:03 12/27/21 (11)
- RE: Spacetime, let's play catch-up - RV817 14:02:31 12/27/21 (3)
- I did not create reality - geoffkait 14:42:52 12/27/21 (2)
- RE: I did not create reality - RV817 19:31:47 12/27/21 (1)
- Pretzel logic - geoffkait 03:49:23 12/28/21 (0)
- RE: Spacetime, let's play catch-up - pictureguy 12:03:59 12/27/21 (6)
- Superman - geoffkait 13:24:42 12/27/21 (5)
- RE: Superman - pictureguy 13:42:37 12/27/21 (4)
- You're not paying attention, again - geoffkait 15:11:22 12/27/21 (3)
- RE: You're not paying attention, again - pictureguy 16:33:23 12/27/21 (2)
- Purpose - geoffkait 18:20:34 12/27/21 (1)
- RE: Purpose - pictureguy 18:32:04 12/27/21 (0)
- "Conversion of a 3 D acoustic waveform to two 1 D electrical signals" - geoffkait 11:35:47 12/26/21 (0)
- It comes down to good and bad? I wish you told us earlier. Nt - geoffkait 03:51:54 12/26/21 (0)
- Ramblings on comparisons, performance quality, and venue quaqlity (long) - Cpwill 13:17:45 12/24/21 (17)
- Criteria for judging sound - geoffkait 06:43:29 12/25/21 (9)
- so tell us what instruments you play yourself - Story 06:59:50 12/25/21 (8)
- TOTAL EVASION - Story 13:14:02 12/25/21 (3)
- No need to shout, be happy, you got what you expected for Christmas. Nt - geoffkait 13:27:41 12/25/21 (2)
- RE: No need to shout, be happy, you got what you expected for Christmas. Nt - Story 13:56:31 12/25/21 (1)
- Brain scan? Nt - geoffkait 15:47:21 12/25/21 (0)
- So tell us we're interested why you play with yourself. Nt - geoffkait 08:22:04 12/25/21 (3)
- Why ? Well, it's a long story... - peppy m. 13:14:53 12/25/21 (2)
- RE: Why ? Well, it's a long story... - Story 13:56:49 12/25/21 (1)
- Or maybe it's a short story ? (nt - peppy m. 15:47:08 12/25/21 (0)
- RE: Ramblings on comparisons, performance quality, and venue quaqlity (long) - Analog Scott 13:53:59 12/24/21 (6)
- RE: Ramblings on comparisons, performance quality, and venue quaqlity (long) - Cpwill 03:19:24 12/25/21 (5)
- Color of room - geoffkait 06:06:31 12/25/21 (4)
- Rose color. - peppy m. 12:38:39 12/25/21 (3)
- To match your eyes? Nt - geoffkait 13:24:32 12/25/21 (2)
- you two make such a lovely couple - Story 15:39:43 12/25/21 (1)
- Looks like jealousy has reared its ugly head. Nt - geoffkait 15:46:21 12/25/21 (0)
- easy - LtMandella 13:07:14 12/24/21 (6)
- other acoustic live music - Analog Scott 13:47:25 12/24/21 (4)
- RE: other acoustic live music - mlsstl 15:03:27 12/24/21 (3)
- Not sure why you went into judging stereo systems - Analog Scott 15:42:35 12/24/21 (2)
- RE: Not sure of =your= point... - mlsstl 05:44:42 12/25/21 (1)
- It doesn't bother me - Analog Scott 10:17:03 12/25/21 (0)
- Re: "Don't wrestle with pigs. You both get dirty and the pig likes it." - geoffkait 13:28:03 12/24/21 (0)
- Two answers depending upon your perspective - E-Stat 11:32:32 12/24/21 (0)
- Can you hear the instruments clearly? - Dave_K 10:54:41 12/24/21 (0)
- Finding live acoustic music - M3 lover 09:41:45 12/24/21 (1)
- RE: Finding live acoustic music - Utley1 10:42:29 12/24/21 (0)
- RE: *if* "live acoustic music" is the reference for judging audio what is the reference for judging live acoustic music? - Goober58 08:00:09 12/24/21 (0)
- Why would anyone judge home systems by judging live music? Thats a logical fallacy, no? Nt - geoffkait 06:02:26 12/24/21 (24)
- That has nothing to do with the question I asked nt - Analog Scott 13:00:10 12/24/21 (12)
- Let me refresh your memory - geoffkait 06:24:52 12/25/21 (4)
- Nope - Analog Scott 13:26:50 12/25/21 (3)
- I'm not buying it - geoffkait 13:35:21 12/25/21 (2)
- Given what you sell I don't think what you buy matters. nt - Analog Scott 16:26:27 12/25/21 (1)
- Beware the wrath of a hairdresser scorned. Nt - geoffkait 17:36:47 12/25/21 (0)
- Of course it does. - geoffkait 14:04:21 12/24/21 (6)
- It'smy question - Analog Scott 15:48:59 12/24/21 (5)
- RE: It'smy question - RV817 18:19:28 12/24/21 (3)
- fair point - Analog Scott 22:56:07 12/24/21 (2)
- RE: fair point - Cpwill 04:00:56 12/25/21 (1)
- If that is your idea of being argumentative... - Analog Scott 04:33:17 12/25/21 (0)
- It's my party and I'll cry if i want to. Lol Nt - geoffkait 16:55:22 12/24/21 (0)
- No -nt - E-Stat 10:21:40 12/24/21 (10)
- I think probably it is. - geoffkait 10:40:05 12/24/21 (9)
- Our opinions are completely different - E-Stat 11:18:54 12/24/21 (4)
- That's an old logical fallacy - whichever side has the most true believers has God on its side. Lol - geoffkait 12:39:18 12/24/21 (3)
- It is the height of the opiniated... - E-Stat 08:42:59 12/25/21 (2)
- It appears you've been following the wrong sheep. Nt - geoffkait 09:33:14 12/25/21 (1)
- Merry Christmas, Geoff -nt - E-Stat 13:27:00 12/25/21 (0)
- if you undertake something without an absolute goal - Story 11:07:30 12/24/21 (3)
- There is no absolute. Haven't you been listening? - geoffkait 12:55:11 12/24/21 (2)
- you still insist - Story 13:31:52 12/24/21 (1)
- Typical of breed - geoffkait 13:56:39 12/24/21 (0)
- Live acoustic vs Live amplified - tketcham 05:42:22 12/24/21 (2)
- RE: Live acoustic vs Live amplified - Goober58 08:30:37 12/24/21 (1)
- RE: Live acoustic vs Live amplified - tketcham 09:11:38 12/24/21 (0)
- In a Word ... - cawson@onetel.com 02:36:25 12/24/21 (0)
- RE: *if* "live acoustic music" is the reference for judging audio what is the reference for judging live acoustic music? - tweaker456 22:31:58 12/23/21 (0)
- RE: *if* "live acoustic music" is the reference for judging audio what is the reference for judging live acoustic music? - hahax@verizon.net 20:13:40 12/23/21 (7)
- RE: *if* "live acoustic music" is the reference for judging audio what is the reference for judging live acoustic music? - RV817 21:17:13 12/23/21 (4)
- RE: *if* "live acoustic music" is the reference for judging audio what is the reference for judging live acoustic music? - Analog Scott 21:25:51 12/23/21 (3)
- "a very different perspective" - M3 lover 09:20:01 12/24/21 (2)
- New thread or post that on this one? - Analog Scott 10:48:47 12/24/21 (1)
- RE: New thread - M3 lover 10:11:18 12/26/21 (0)
- That wasn't the question - Analog Scott 21:12:15 12/23/21 (1)
- RE: That wasn't the question - RV817 21:57:12 12/23/21 (0)
- RE: *if* "live acoustic music" is the reference for judging audio what is the reference for judging live acoustic music? - G Squared 14:42:56 12/23/21 (4)
- RE: *if* "live acoustic music" is the reference for judging audio what is the reference for judging live acoustic music? - Cpwill 04:31:22 12/25/21 (1)
- RE: *if* "live acoustic music" is the reference for judging audio what is the reference for judging live acoustic music? - G Squared 06:01:05 12/26/21 (0)
- "It is obliviously a great venue." Freudian slip? :-) - geoffkait 15:20:09 12/23/21 (0)
- My reference is a small venue - Mike K 15:17:34 12/23/21 (0)
- Ears ? - AbeCollins 13:53:13 12/23/21 (0)
- The Best Venues We Can Find.......... - Todd Krieger 13:41:02 12/23/21 (5)
- RE: The Best Venues We Can Find.......... - Cpwill 12:51:18 12/24/21 (0)
- been to both - Analog Scott 13:52:39 12/23/21 (3)
- RE: been to both - Todd Krieger 03:48:58 12/24/21 (0)
- A Musician's Guide to Venue Acoustics - chocolate_lover 16:03:28 12/23/21 (0)
- RE: been to both - b.l.zeebub 15:03:37 12/23/21 (0)
- The "references" are basically the same in both cases - peppy m. 12:33:17 12/23/21 (17)
- You're close. Very close! - geoffkait 13:43:12 12/23/21 (8)
- If there are no *absolutes*, all of the "descriptors" you mentioned... - peppy m. 12/23/2113:59:25 12/23/21 (7)
- You have feelings - geoffkait 15:12:07 12/23/21 (6)
- Yes, I do have feelings and they speak for themselves... - peppy m. 16:03:35 12/23/21 (5)
- My Babel Fish translator is broken. - geoffkait 16:24:45 12/23/21 (4)
- RE: My Babel Fish translator is broken. - RV817 17:54:25 12/23/21 (1)
- Live long and prosper - geoffkait 18:18:18 12/23/21 (0)
- Babble on - I'm not sure it matters... - peppy m. 16:55:20 12/23/21 (1)
- Good one! - geoffkait 17:26:53 12/23/21 (0)
- You came really close! - Analog Scott 13:39:03 12/23/21 (7)
- It seems you're really looking for - MaggiesAndCats 14:33:14 12/23/21 (3)
- RE: It seems you're really looking for - Analog Scott 15:04:28 12/23/21 (2)
- Okay - MaggiesAndCats 19:23:36 12/23/21 (0)
- here's an easy obtuse answer - Story 15:58:27 12/23/21 (0)
- Possibly, the "ultimate reference" is ..,. - peppy m. 14:07:22 12/23/21 (2)
- RE: Possibly, the "ultimate reference" is ..,. - Analog Scott 14:22:32 12/23/21 (1)
- Whatever. I think the basis is in aforementioned tactile qualities. (nt - peppy m. 15:55:09 12/23/21 (0)
- RE: *if* "live acoustic music" is the reference for judging audio what is the reference for judging live acoustic music? - SoundMann 12:23:21 12/23/21 (1)
- This is not a question about judging recordings - Analog Scott 13:34:46 12/23/21 (0)
- RE: *if* "live acoustic music" is the reference for judging audio what is the reference for judging live acoustic music? - ChesshireCat 11:49:48 12/23/21 (4)
- RE: *if* "live acoustic music" is the reference for judging audio what is the reference for judging live acoustic music? - Analog Scott 12:18:52 12/23/21 (3)
- But isn't that the goal? - StephenJK 12:27:24 12/23/21 (2)
- forget any recordings, pretend it's the 19th century - Analog Scott 13:32:31 12/23/21 (1)
- I don't know that in the 19th century.... - StephenJK 16:23:43 12/23/21 (0)
- All judgement is subjective, by definition. - tinear 11:33:06 12/23/21 (0)
- RE: *if* "live acoustic music" is the reference for judging audio what is the reference for judging live acoustic music? - RV817 11:10:57 12/23/21 (0)
- plesaure & artistic intent - DrChaos 10:57:01 12/23/21 (8)
- RE: plesaure & artistic intent - Palustris 10:17:28 12/24/21 (4)
- RE: plesaure & artistic intent - Analog Scott 13:35:44 12/24/21 (2)
- RE: plesaure & artistic intent - Palustris 07:48:45 12/25/21 (1)
- "I suppose you don't go to hear live acoustic music. " - Analog Scott 13:29:08 12/25/21 (0)
- RE: plesaure & artistic intent - geoffkait 13:06:00 12/24/21 (0)
- Oh, I almost forgot - geoffkait 11:26:45 12/23/21 (0)
- And this cartridge to top it off...- - geoffkait 11:09:54 12/23/21 (0)
- You might change your mind if...- - geoffkait 11:07:57 12/23/21 (0)
Follow Ups
- If there are no *absolutes*, all of the "descriptors" you mentioned... - peppy m. 12/23/2113:59:25 12/23/21 (7)
- You have feelings - geoffkait 15:12:07 12/23/21 (6)
- Yes, I do have feelings and they speak for themselves... - peppy m. 16:03:35 12/23/21 (5)
- My Babel Fish translator is broken. - geoffkait 16:24:45 12/23/21 (4)
- RE: My Babel Fish translator is broken. - RV817 17:54:25 12/23/21 (1)
- Live long and prosper - geoffkait 18:18:18 12/23/21 (0)
- Babble on - I'm not sure it matters... - peppy m. 16:55:20 12/23/21 (1)
- Good one! - geoffkait 17:26:53 12/23/21 (0)