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In Reply to: I Probably Couldn't Do So Personally...... And the Associated Equipment/Test Environment Was Probably Suspect....... posted by Todd Krieger on March 4, 2008 at 12:15:16:
of the understanding some of the hyper-objectionists who post on this board have of audio equipment.
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Follow Ups Full ThreadTopic - Audiophiles can't tell the difference between Monster Cable and coat hangers - pingong 07:43:39 03/4/08 (123)
- So what? - mark111 18:50:10 03/5/08 (0)
- And look at the comments: they were mostly snarky, even worse than here! nt - clarkjohnsen 12:08:59 03/5/08 (0)
- RE: Audiophiles can't tell the difference between Monster Cable and coat hangers - Bob Neill 06:05:03 03/5/08 (0)
- Ok coat hangers might be a viable, if inconvenient, alternative for some "audiophiles" - Don T 05:50:36 03/5/08 (3)
- Inconvenient? Anyone remember Cogan Hall? - jusbe 13:13:41 03/5/08 (2)
- Were those the interconnects with tubular conductors? - Rob Doorack 07:11:34 03/6/08 (1)
- The very same. - jusbe 09:05:12 03/6/08 (0)
- Another Questionable Comment...... - Todd Krieger 00:29:24 03/5/08 (6)
- You assume people care! - Don T 07:06:44 03/5/08 (0)
- RE: Another Questionable Comment...... - MylesAstor 02:35:51 03/5/08 (4)
- The posts below... - kerr 04:55:42 03/5/08 (3)
- Very often Cable A sounds just like Cable B - Don T 07:28:04 03/5/08 (2)
- I think you are... - kerr 07:59:41 03/5/08 (1)
- Thanks but.... - Don T 12:58:47 03/5/08 (0)
- Monofilaments ROCK!...honestly, I would like to hear the two... - Steve Parry 23:37:37 03/4/08 (1)
- I tried something in the ear of my beholder once... - jusbe 02:13:55 03/5/08 (0)
- Imagine, the coat hangers weren't even broken in either....wow!!! (nt) - Myles B. Astor 20:51:02 03/4/08 (0)
- RE: Audiophiles can't tell the difference between Monster Cable and coat hangers - Rean1mator 18:44:45 03/4/08 (1)
- Amazing Coathangers...... - Todd Krieger 20:13:24 03/4/08 (0)
- Wouldn't that make them "Closet Objectivists"? - kerr 17:22:22 03/4/08 (1)
- Really good one there! - andy_c 19:29:28 03/5/08 (0)
- No Difference Between Monster Cable and Coat Hangers? - Sommovigo 16:54:51 03/4/08 (0)
- which brand of coat hanger!?? - 6C45 16:28:53 03/4/08 (7)
- The Wooden Ones Sound Better...... - Todd Krieger 20:09:34 03/4/08 (0)
- I've got low-metal, wood-clad hangers to help reduce stray eddy currents. - jusbe 18:04:53 03/4/08 (4)
- I take it that you're already using $400 A.Consulting knobs for your closet. nt. - 6C45 18:39:57 03/4/08 (3)
- Those and the enormous silver-wired power supplies (dual mono) to operate the doors from my bed. - jusbe 18:42:46 03/4/08 (2)
- nice 'bedroom' system! nt. - 6C45 19:05:32 03/4/08 (1)
- No Monsters under *my* bed! -t - jusbe 19:13:04 03/4/08 (0)
- LOL! Man this thread is entertaining. nt - bjh 16:38:31 03/4/08 (0)
- They don't mention that the coat hangers were cryogenically treated though.... [nt] - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 14:14:00 03/4/08 (1)
- Yeah, they took a picture of the hangers and stuck it outside the window in Minnesota this winter. :-) nt - JimL 17:20:21 03/4/08 (0)
- Wire coat hangers? Joan Crawford would have a FIT!...N/T - musetap 14:10:21 03/4/08 (0)
- You can use any two cables and get the same results - Richard BassNut Greene 13:31:36 03/4/08 (13)
- Curious but have you seen a test for... - RGA 20:13:30 03/4/08 (1)
- Not forgetting the yards of wire in the output transformers to the binding posts. - jusbe 02:25:23 03/5/08 (0)
- Mr. Nut, you KNOW there are blind tests showing cable differences..(nt) - mkuller 18:22:05 03/4/08 (7)
- Only with 30 feet of ultra thin 24 AWG "speaker cables" = and onluy some people could hear difference vs 12AWG - Richard BassNut Greene 08:19:39 03/5/08 (5)
- Here is one positive blind cable test out of the many... - mkuller 10:01:33 03/5/08 (4)
- No A-B volume matching so the "thick as your thumb" cables were louder than 14awg wire = pitiful "experiment" - Richard BassNut Greene 07:11:21 03/6/08 (0)
- Actually, it was't a cable test at all. There were too many other uncontrolled variables. - Pat D 11:38:59 03/5/08 (2)
- The moderator of the so-called test was a fool with no scientific ability and Atkinson said nothing? - Richard BassNut Greene 10:31:18 03/6/08 (1)
- RE: The moderator of the so-called test was a fool with no scientific ability and Atkinson said nothing? - Pat D 11:13:44 03/8/08 (0)
- How long were those cables, and what gauges? (nt) - Pat D 06:22:05 03/5/08 (0)
- RE: You can use any two cables and get the same results - Sherlock 16:52:21 03/4/08 (0)
- I tend to agree - "Exotic wires are audio jewelry" - AbeCollins 16:38:56 03/4/08 (0)
- No, that's YOU who can use any two cables and get the same results. - carcass93 14:16:33 03/4/08 (0)
- Next Up: Coat Hanger vs. Bertram's $9500/pair Copper Cable - Gerry E. 13:28:49 03/4/08 (0)
- I can: my clothes fall off Monster. nt - dave c 12:38:11 03/4/08 (7)
- My coat hangars are plastic. nt - Dan Banquer 15:20:53 03/4/08 (6)
- How do they sound? (nt) - kerr 17:23:29 03/4/08 (5)
- They have no sound at all. (nt) - Dan Banquer 04:26:24 03/5/08 (2)
- Odd. I've read that the sound decays much faster, - kerr 04:34:50 03/5/08 (1)
- It must be the size and thickness of the coat on the hangar. nt - Dan Banquer 05:15:26 03/5/08 (0)
- Sterile, from the reviews I've read. They don't ring as much. - jusbe 18:26:14 03/4/08 (1)
- RE: Sterile, from the reviews I've read. They don't ring as much. - Dan Banquer 04:30:16 03/5/08 (0)
- I Probably Couldn't Do So Personally...... And the Associated Equipment/Test Environment Was Probably Suspect....... - Todd Krieger 12:15:16 03/4/08 (6)
- Not sure of that - docw 16:09:30 03/4/08 (3)
- To Further Clarify........ - Todd Krieger 17:33:32 03/4/08 (2)
- read your post, but it was deleted... - docw 09:46:48 03/5/08 (0)
- I did not slam, but you feel the guy did... - docw 20:33:44 03/4/08 (0)
- Excellent summary - Frank E 03/4/0813:49:38 03/4/08 (1)
- "hyper-objectionists" - I like that. - Hepcat 16:08:11 03/4/08 (0)
- My wife can hear it - BobM 11:41:36 03/4/08 (9)
- ...from the next room! (nt) - mkuller 13:20:25 03/4/08 (0)
- One friend of mine, - M3 lover 12:48:21 03/4/08 (1)
- My teenaged daughter... - mkuller 13:19:46 03/4/08 (0)
- My wife is like a bloodhound on system changes, too. One time I .... - PureAudio 12:36:33 03/4/08 (5)
- I wouldn't use "wife" and "bloodhound" in the same sentence if I were you (nt) - Richard BassNut Greene 13:33:13 03/4/08 (4)
- You haven't seen his bloodhound! nt - J Harris 15:41:47 03/4/08 (3)
- But you, sir, haven't seen his wife! - M3 lover 16:08:49 03/4/08 (2)
- Easy ... Easy there ; ) ....... She's ..... - PureAudio 18:53:31 03/4/08 (1)
- PA, you're a good man - M3 lover 09:49:30 03/5/08 (0)
- the coathanger SHOULD sound better - BS64 11:12:27 03/4/08 (3)
- RE: the coathanger SHOULD sound better - morricab 07:05:45 03/6/08 (0)
- Based on what... - Wellfed 16:56:06 03/4/08 (1)
- nope - BS64 05:10:07 03/5/08 (0)
- How else do you think Monster's owner can afford all those Formula 1 cars? - RGA 10:52:46 03/4/08 (11)
- "And the power conditioners they sell are nearly as bad." I used a - bjh 11:20:15 03/4/08 (3)
- Monster power conditioners... - mkuller 13:22:16 03/4/08 (1)
- RE: Monster power conditioners... - bjh 14:02:34 03/4/08 (0)
- Ditto. nt - Rick W 11:50:22 03/4/08 (0)
- RE: How else do you think Monster's owner can afford all those Formula 1 cars? - Bigromano 10:58:24 03/4/08 (6)
- Huh. I follow F1, and don't recall Monster Cable sponsoring a team. Can you enlighten me? /nt/ - powermatic 16:19:19 03/4/08 (0)
- RE: How else do you think Monster's owner can afford all those Formula 1 cars? - RGA 12:07:48 03/4/08 (4)
- RE: How else do you think Monster's owner can afford all those Formula 1 cars? - WW85 14:57:37 03/4/08 (1)
- Maybe that's why Radio Shack went belly up.. - RGA 19:48:05 03/4/08 (0)
- RE: How else do you think Monster's owner can afford all those Formula 1 cars? - Bigromano 12:27:37 03/4/08 (1)
- Dave... - RGA 19:55:47 03/4/08 (0)
- If you are buying Monster cable - Stale 10:32:49 03/4/08 (3)
- RE: If you are buying Monster cable - Dave Mester 14:39:33 03/4/08 (0)
- Really ? - Pinkus 10:49:09 03/4/08 (1)
- Yup, you are just rich - Stale 09:42:30 03/5/08 (0)
- Now I have a new use for my old monster cables! - Mike K 10:31:01 03/4/08 (0)
- That doesn't say much for Monster's sounds quality then- they BOTH suck - The Bastard With The Hammer 10:30:01 03/4/08 (0)
- Not true--I prefer coathangers (nt) - Alex F. 10:24:34 03/4/08 (1)
- ROTFL! Priceless! nt - bjh 11:03:57 03/4/08 (0)
- RE: Audiophiles can't tell the difference between Monster Cable and coat hangers - Bigromano 10:21:45 03/4/08 (0)
- Utter nonsense, not worth discussing. - carcass93 10:20:08 03/4/08 (6)
- Kind of worth discussing. - Enophile 10:42:28 03/4/08 (5)
- It just puzzles me that grown-ups play with Monster, Belden and hanger coats, and .... - carcass93 12:15:55 03/4/08 (1)
- Those Monsters are scary. -t - jusbe 18:29:03 03/4/08 (0)
- "So, I would lean toward not trusting the story ..." - bjh 11:02:04 03/4/08 (2)
- Bloody hell. It's a discussion. - Enophile 11:51:46 03/4/08 (1)
- RE: Bloody hell. It's a discussion. - Sherlock 16:39:37 03/4/08 (0)
- That's ridiculous! I tried Monster and my coat fell off every time! (nt) - kerr 09:57:56 03/4/08 (0)
- RE: Audiophiles can't tell the difference between Monster Cable and coat hangers - middleground 09:29:46 03/4/08 (0)
- RE: Audiophiles can't tell the difference between Monster Cable and coat hangers - Stephæn 09:09:39 03/4/08 (4)
- They were connected to an ABX switch box.... - thetubeguy1954 12:54:37 03/4/08 (1)
- Really? Are you sure? (nt) - Pat D 11:47:40 03/5/08 (0)
- RE: Audiophiles can't tell the difference between Monster Cable and coat hangers - pingong 10:33:04 03/4/08 (0)
- RE: Audiophiles can't tell the difference between Monster Cable and coat hangers - middleground 09:26:23 03/4/08 (0)
- RE: Audiophiles can't tell the difference between Monster Cable and coat hangers - Sherlock 09:00:58 03/4/08 (6)
- RE: Audiophiles can't tell the difference between Monster Cable and coat hangers - middleground 09:27:26 03/4/08 (5)
- RE: Audiophiles can't tell the difference between Monster Cable and coat hangers - 6sigma 10:30:10 03/4/08 (0)
- Methodology...lol - Sherlock 10:24:58 03/4/08 (3)
- RE: Methodology...lol - Sherlock 10:48:39 03/4/08 (0)
- Sounds like a great way to shop and audition. - Enophile 10:44:23 03/4/08 (1)
- RE: Sounds like a great way to shop and audition. - Sherlock 11:00:01 03/4/08 (0)
- RE: Audiophiles can't tell the difference between Monster Cable and coat hangers - Michael Samra 08:41:08 03/4/08 (3)
- RE: Audiophiles can't tell the difference between Monster Cable and coat hangers - Dave Mester 08:52:07 03/4/08 (2)
- We all know its a fact...... - jdouglas51 10:59:57 03/4/08 (1)
- RE: We all know its a fact...... - Michael Samra 14:48:55 03/4/08 (0)
Follow Ups
- Excellent summary - Frank E 03/4/0813:49:38 03/4/08 (1)
- "hyper-objectionists" - I like that. - Hepcat 16:08:11 03/4/08 (0)