Re: You wanna know the main thing Aczel got totally wrong? - Dave Pogue

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Topic - Peter Aczel's biggest "lies" in audio from #11 down... - Wellfed 20:44:12 07/12/06 (314)

Re: Peter Aczel's biggest "lies" in audio from #11 down... - Corbett 13:46:46 07/22/06 (0)

You wanna know the main thing Aczel got totally wrong? - minimumphase 06:49:49 07/15/06 (15)

Re: You wanna know the main thing Aczel got totally wrong? - Dave Pogue 07/15/0611:55:27 07/15/06 (14)

Re: You wanna know the main thing Aczel got totally wrong? - minimumphase 12:34:47 07/15/06 (13)

"But properly done surround is a perfectly coherent medium." Sure. As long as your head is in a vise. - geeber 19:16:25 07/15/06 (9)

Nah - Ted Smith 19:53:22 07/15/06 (8)

Re: Nah - geeber 21:23:20 07/15/06 (7)

Re: Nah - Ted Smith 07:53:36 07/16/06 (5)

Arbitrary phase between speakers fine for general enjoyment, but... - geeber 15:35:45 07/16/06 (3)

Who listens critically all of the time? - Ted Smith 16:36:52 07/16/06 (2)

Re: Who listens critically all of the time? - geeber 14:32:38 07/17/06 (1)

Re: Who listens critically all of the time? - Ted Smith 15:28:39 07/17/06 (0)

Correct - minimumphase 08:22:16 07/16/06 (0)

Re: Nah - minimumphase 05:53:47 07/16/06 (0)

I'm glad that you know these recordings so intimately - Dave Pogue 12:56:39 07/15/06 (2)

One last try - minimumphase 13:30:45 07/15/06 (1)

Re: One last try - Dave Pogue 13:36:01 07/15/06 (0)

Re: Peter Aczel's biggest "lies" ... sorry to say we have sure sold a lot of his magazines. - FastEddy 15:48:43 07/14/06 (0)

Re: Peter Aczel's biggest "lies" in audio from #11 down... - middleground 05:47:14 07/14/06 (9)

Re: Peter Aczel's biggest "lies" in audio from #11 down... - Ralph 12:17:30 07/14/06 (2)

Re: Peter Aczel's biggest "lies" in audio from #11 down... - middleground 06:58:42 07/15/06 (1)

Re: Not everyone has short interconnects - Ralph 09:13:05 07/17/06 (0)

Re: Peter Aczel's biggest "lies" in audio from #11 down... - Stale 07:58:40 07/14/06 (5)

Not a Black and White world - Caymus 13:18:15 07/14/06 (1)

A lot like the American political system, isn't it?... - Wellfed 14:45:40 07/14/06 (0)

If anything this thread has demonstrated that credibility and consistency have little to do with (audio) *objectivism*. - bjh 09:40:34 07/14/06 (1)

There goes the broken record...(nt) - minimumphase 11:27:11 07/14/06 (0)

Re: Peter Aczel's biggest "lies" in audio from #11 down... - middleground 08:04:16 07/14/06 (0)

Lie #11, the vinyl phonograph record is a high fidelity medium - Soundmind 04:33:10 07/14/06 (118)

But it's better than whatever is second best. nt - hcman 21:27:09 07/15/06 (0)

All that not withstanding, isn't it bloody intriguiging that... - Steve Cortez 17:55:15 07/14/06 (5)

The more demanding the program material, the more readily LPs show their failure - Soundmind 18:03:35 07/14/06 (4)

Do you have any pointers to objective measurements of this "failure"? [nt] - Steve Cortez 20:09:12 07/14/06 (3)

Re: Do you have any pointers to objective measurements of this "failure"? [nt] - Soundmind 03:23:37 07/15/06 (2)

In other words, just anecdotal evidence of such failure at this point. Oh well [nt] - Steve Cortez 05:01:02 07/15/06 (1)

He never throws anything away . . . except the proof of what he espouses. - markrohr 11:40:31 07/15/06 (0)

Audio Irony #xx: There are music lovers who do not perceive the merits of LP playback (nt) - Bersani 16:39:12 07/14/06 (1)

I see and hear the merits of LPs...I also see and hear the drawbacks. There are a lot of drawbacks. nt - Soundmind 18:05:01 07/14/06 (0)

Re: Lie #11: vinyl phonograph record = high fidelity - FastEddy 16:00:24 07/14/06 (0)

Yawn. - powermatic 08:21:49 07/14/06 (2)

Sure he does! and it included a good representation of - bjh 09:47:33 07/14/06 (1)

Do you actually know anything about the equipment you bash? - Pat D 20:17:48 07/15/06 (0)

Funny how it works so beautifully, even after all that. nt - markrohr 08:02:52 07/14/06 (14)

I wouldn't characerize it as working "beautifully" - Soundmind 08:18:55 07/14/06 (13)

Well, Glory be... - axolotl 17:13:37 07/14/06 (0)

Sounds like your ears are in awfully good shape... - Wellfed 10:30:00 07/14/06 (4)

Soundmind's victrola is in excellent conditon, thank you. - geeber 12:06:55 07/14/06 (2)

Whoa there, I thought I was the real wisenheimer around this place... - Wellfed 12:19:04 07/14/06 (1)

Get in line. ;-) nt - markrohr 12:55:21 07/14/06 (0)

That's nothing! - markrohr 11:33:34 07/14/06 (0)

I still wish you would let me send you . . . - markrohr 08:31:09 07/14/06 (6)

You might try turning down the treble control or engaging the high cut filter...if you had them - Soundmind 09:22:56 07/14/06 (5)

So incurious you are! And so willing to avoid the point when inconvenient. - markrohr 11:31:06 07/14/06 (4)

Re: So incurious you are! And so willing to avoid the point when inconvenient. - Soundmind 18:15:04 07/14/06 (3)

Gee, I can say the same for 35+ year-old LPs. - markrohr 11:42:49 07/15/06 (2)

Re: Gee, I can say the same for 35+ year-old LPs. - Dave Pogue 11:58:36 07/15/06 (1)

Funny! And true. - markrohr 14:00:39 07/15/06 (0)

Lie #11, there is a high fidelity medium - kurt s 07:51:08 07/14/06 (0)

Beautiful! - Mike K 06:23:22 07/14/06 (0)

LPs can also be played by a laser. - Teresa 06:22:48 07/14/06 (74)

Re: LPs can also be played by a laser. - minimumphase 11:28:53 07/14/06 (62)

So why not try some high resolution Digital recordings? - Teresa 14:56:10 07/14/06 (57)

Re: So why not try some high resolution Digital recordings? - minimumphase 16:56:41 07/14/06 (56)

Not so Redbook CDs give themselves away every single time. - Teresa 22:30:16 07/14/06 (55)

Suggestion - kerr 06:42:36 07/15/06 (38)

I have bought CDs recently, and while they are better and some even sound 'ok'.... - Tom Dawson 19:03:55 07/15/06 (35)

That's cool. - kerr 20:12:14 07/15/06 (34)

That means you have not spoken to Tony Falkner, Doug Sax, Prof. Johnson, Steve Hoffman or Michael Hobson! - Teresa 23:52:17 07/15/06 (33)

Re: That means you have not spoken to Tony Falkner, Doug Sax, Prof. Johnson, Steve Hoffman or Michael Hobson! - kerr 06:44:47 07/16/06 (32)

Re: That means you have not spoken to Tony Falkner, Doug Sax, Prof. Johnson, Steve Hoffman or Michael Hobson! - Teresa 07:47:29 07/16/06 (31)

Doug Sax was in TAS #149 - kerr 15:35:47 07/16/06 (0)

Tony Faulkner - minimumphase 09:42:28 07/16/06 (2)

Re: Tony Faulkner - kerr 09:14:43 07/17/06 (1)

fair enough - minimumphase 12:10:58 07/17/06 (0)

Michael Hobson - minimumphase 09:10:53 07/16/06 (0)

Doug Sax - minimumphase 09:06:18 07/16/06 (0)

Steve Hoffman - minimumphase 08:42:53 07/16/06 (24)

Here's my conundrum - kerr 15:45:14 07/16/06 (23)

Re: Here's my conundrum - Ted Smith 16:56:33 07/16/06 (22)

Re: Here's my conundrum - kerr 06:10:23 07/17/06 (16)

Re: Here's my conundrum - Ted Smith 08:37:28 07/17/06 (15)

"the standard stamping equipment adds errors and jitter" - minimumphase 13:20:08 07/17/06 (9)

Re: "the standard stamping equipment adds errors and jitter" - Ted Smith 13:24:34 07/17/06 (8)

Just buy a Benchmark and have done with it - Atexanathome 12:14:55 07/22/06 (2)

Thanks, but I have a fine DAC :) - Ted Smith 12:36:04 07/22/06 (0)

Also see AES Preprint 3712 (3740 is close, but the TAC article derives from 3712)NT - Atexanathome 12:21:59 07/22/06 (0)

Re: "the standard stamping equipment adds errors and jitter" - minimumphase 16:03:28 07/17/06 (4)

Re: "the standard stamping equipment adds errors and jitter" - Ted Smith 16:24:01 07/17/06 (3)

Re: "the standard stamping equipment adds errors and jitter" - minimumphase 07:39:22 07/18/06 (2)

Re: "the standard stamping equipment adds errors and jitter" - Ted Smith 08:44:48 07/18/06 (1)

Not exactly - minimumphase 15:45:21 07/18/06 (0)

Re: Here's my conundrum - kerr 09:07:04 07/17/06 (4)

Re: Here's my conundrum - Ted Smith 10:07:35 07/17/06 (3)

On the subject of hi-rez - minimumphase 13:27:24 07/17/06 (2)

Re: On the subject of hi-rez - Ted Smith 13:45:30 07/17/06 (1)

Re: On the subject of hi-rez - minimumphase 16:14:48 07/17/06 (0)

Isn't there a contradiction in there somewhere? - minimumphase 19:10:56 07/16/06 (4)

Definition of terms... - Ted Smith 19:22:46 07/16/06 (3)

Re: Definition of terms... - minimumphase 16:20:56 07/17/06 (2)

Re: Definition of terms... - Ted Smith 16:36:31 07/17/06 (1)

Re: Definition of terms... - minimumphase 07:48:04 07/18/06 (0)

Perhaps a slightly different perspective. - Ted Smith 08:36:37 07/15/06 (0)

Of course the problem was in the recordings, dead right (nt) - minimumphase 07:09:34 07/15/06 (0)

Your opinions are contrary to scientific evidence - minimumphase 06:26:38 07/15/06 (15)

How dare you make light of the actual PAIN I have suffered listening to Redbook CDs! - Teresa 17:38:47 07/15/06 (4)

Drama queen (nt) - Guy, 19:19:16 07/15/06 (1)

Are you making FUN of the pain I have suffered because of DREADFUL REDBOOK CDs? How very rude of you!!!!! (nt) - Teresa 19:34:40 07/15/06 (0)

This is like Dr. Smith from "Lost In Space" (nt) - andy_c 19:11:20 07/15/06 (0)

minimumphase belongs to the cadre of meter beater true believers, a member of the digital Al Qaeda cult. nt - geeber 18:38:28 07/15/06 (0)

Re: Your opinions are contrary to scientific evidence - Ted Smith 08:32:20 07/15/06 (9)

Re: Your opinions are contrary to scientific evidence - minimumphase 09:10:21 07/15/06 (8)

"Differences between well recorded CD and hi-rez (SACD or PCM) are minute, if any." Incorrect in the extreme! - Teresa 19:58:27 07/15/06 (0)

Re: Your opinions are contrary to scientific evidence - Ted Smith 10:35:23 07/15/06 (6)

Re: Your opinions are contrary to scientific evidence - minimumphase 12:47:56 07/15/06 (5)

Re: Your opinions are contrary to scientific evidence - Ted Smith 13:15:58 07/15/06 (4)

Re: Your opinions are contrary to scientific evidence - minimumphase 13:39:34 07/15/06 (3)

Re: Your opinions are contrary to scientific evidence - Ted Smith 14:48:38 07/15/06 (2)

Impressive! (nt) - minimumphase 15:10:35 07/15/06 (1)

Thanks - We like it :) [nt] - Ted Smith 18:04:02 07/15/06 (0)

You're under the false assumption - E-Stat 14:00:45 07/14/06 (0)

Teresa's correct. Most people with normal hearing acuity can readily detect the deficiencies of Redbook. nt - thoriated 12:12:49 07/14/06 (2)

Too bad she never hears the deficiencies of LP, tape and every other two-track medium used so far! - Richard BassNut Greene 14:53:04 07/14/06 (0)

Re: Teresa's correct. Most people with normal hearing acuity can readily detect the deficiencies of Redbook. nt - minimumphase 13:41:49 07/14/06 (0)

As primitive as LPs are, they are a model of perfection compared to your loudspeakers - Soundmind 07:10:46 07/14/06 (10)

Re: As primitive as LPs are, they are a model of perfection compared to your loudspeakers - morricab 09:32:01 07/14/06 (9)

Re: As primitive as LPs are, they are a model of perfection compared to your loudspeakers - Soundmind 10:13:02 07/14/06 (8)

Well, for the past thirty years... - E-Stat 14:04:51 07/14/06 (0)

"Very very loud sounds, judging ... - bjh 12:57:57 07/14/06 (6)

There are a lot of baby boomers who went through acid rock, heavy metal, and discos - Soundmind 18:11:05 07/14/06 (5)

Please provide data that demonstrate that audiophiles - bjh 20:41:39 07/14/06 (4)

I find it hilarious that a subjectivist would want data when someone elses claim does't fit his own notions - Soundmind 03:30:36 07/15/06 (3)

So now your tripe relies on the notion "audiophiles" == "rock concert goers". Seems ... - bjh 05:50:41 07/15/06 (2)

Living in a world largely dominated by music ignoramuses.... - Soundmind 07:11:31 07/15/06 (1)

Moron! you were implying audiophile's speakers made them loose - bjh 09:21:29 07/15/06 (0)

Re: Lie #11, the vinyl phonograph record is a high fidelity medium - middleground 05:51:04 07/14/06 (0)

Some would say the fact it works so well is a miracle, other would insist it's merely ... - bjh 05:12:59 07/14/06 (11)

The only miracle is that it works at all..............nt - Soundmind 05:22:18 07/14/06 (10)

Like dogs walking on two legs, as someone observed - Feanor 19:39:00 07/14/06 (0)

That it works *so darned well* is the miracle (poetic licence permitted). nt - bjh 05:30:15 07/14/06 (8)

Conceptually it is identical to Edison's wax cylinder. Only details of the execution are different - Soundmind 06:43:15 07/14/06 (7)

conceptually your posts are equivalent to a broken record... - tunenut 11:02:05 07/14/06 (1)

It could be a defensive mechanism. - axolotl 16:48:24 07/14/06 (0)

Re: Conceptually it is identical to Edison's wax cylinder. Only details of the execution are different - morricab 09:28:40 07/14/06 (1)

Re: Conceptually it is identical to Edison's wax cylinder. Only details of the execution are different - Soundmind 10:17:05 07/14/06 (0)

LPs are NOT fun, they are a royal PITA. The only reason to mess with LPs is their superior sound quality! - Teresa 07:11:26 07/14/06 (0)

Conceptually the CD is identical to the Babbage Machine. Only details of the execution are different. nt - clarkjohnsen 06:58:18 07/14/06 (1)

Exactly my sentiments about every word you ever wrote that I have read nt - Soundmind 07:12:00 07/14/06 (0)

Re: Peter Aczel's biggest "lies" ... - FastEddy 18:57:57 07/13/06 (19)

Re: Peter Aczel's biggest "lies" ... - minimumphase 11:40:32 07/14/06 (4)

Re: Peter Aczel's biggest "lies" ... - FastEddy 15:31:39 07/14/06 (3)

Re: Peter Aczel's biggest "lies" ... - minimumphase 17:07:02 07/14/06 (2)

Re: Peter Aczel's biggest "lies" ... - FastEddy 10:00:35 07/17/06 (0)

Re: Peter Aczel's biggest "lies" ... - kerr 06:30:40 07/15/06 (0)

You nailed it FastEddy "Tin-eared" Peter Aczel's biggest "lies" are in themselves the biggest lies about audio. - Teresa 04:32:55 07/14/06 (13)

Re: You nailed it FastEddy "Tin-eared" Peter Aczel's biggest "lies" are in themselves the biggest lies about audio. - minimumphase 13:43:25 07/14/06 (0)

The "total joke" is any audiophile who says all components sound different ... - Richard BassNut Greene 09:29:55 07/14/06 (6)

Please don't insult religion - minimumphase 21:54:46 07/14/06 (2)

Re: Please don't insult religion - MarkColby 11:35:54 07/16/06 (1)

Re: Please don't insult religion - Ted Smith 15:26:43 07/16/06 (0)

Re: The "total joke" is any audiophile who says all components sound different ... - FastEddy 15:46:19 07/14/06 (0)

That is why it is a good idea to get a 30-day satisfaction guarantee when you buy components. - Teresa 15:13:22 07/14/06 (1)

"A/Bâ€™ing will only reveal gross differences, subtle ones you have to actually listen longer." = WRONG - Richard BassNut Greene 08:19:26 07/18/06 (0)

"Only people who cannot hear..." not to forget those with irreversibly conditioned minds. nt - clarkjohnsen 06:52:51 07/14/06 (4)

Re: Oh, you mean like members of a cult? nt - geoffkait 07:58:28 07/14/06 (0)

How ironic coming from someone for whom the 78 RPM shellac phongraph record is the ultimate recording medium nt - Soundmind 07:44:24 07/14/06 (2)

Best not smoke around that straw man. nt - markrohr 08:05:07 07/14/06 (1)

I don't think Clarkjohnson is made out of straw. :-) nt - Soundmind 08:21:16 07/14/06 (0)

Audio Lie #xx: This article was worth the time it took to read (nt) - Bersani 18:38:23 07/13/06 (0)

Difference in CDP's - adio 12:31:44 07/13/06 (21)

If you can accept that and - G Squared 13:14:10 07/13/06 (20)

LOL nt - adio 14:07:22 07/13/06 (19)

Re: LOL nt - Pat D 15:48:36 07/13/06 (18)

Re: LOL nt - Sean 17:16:46 07/13/06 (17)

I believed the "perfect sound forever" hype that is until I lived with the Sony CDP-101 for 9 months. - Teresa 06:57:55 07/14/06 (0)

Straw man - Pat D 21:05:54 07/13/06 (2)

Re: Straw man - Sean 07:40:02 07/14/06 (0)

"You must be young." --Say it ain't so! ;-) nt - markrohr 04:08:59 07/14/06 (0)

Re: "perfect sound forever" is a marketing term - theaudiohobby 18:24:30 07/13/06 (12)

"perfect sound forever" is a marketing term - Sean 18:29:24 07/13/06 (11)

But a lot of people *even here* still believe it! nt - clarkjohnsen 07:00:43 07/14/06 (1)

Now, don't make fun of other peoples' religion. nt - markrohr 08:07:22 07/14/06 (0)

Re: "perfect sound forever" is a marketing term - Tom Dawson 20:45:25 07/13/06 (0)

Two points ... - bjh 19:30:50 07/13/06 (7)

Re: Two points ... - Sean 20:14:24 07/13/06 (6)

My first CD player sounded fine. - Pat D 20:57:08 07/13/06 (5)

Re: My first CD player sounded fine. - Sean 09:20:54 07/14/06 (1)

Re: My first CD player sounded fine. - Pat D 20:26:31 07/15/06 (0)

Re: My first CD player sounded fine. - Tom Dawson 21:01:40 07/13/06 (2)

Re: My first CD player sounded fine. - Tom Dawson 21:36:00 07/13/06 (0)

Wrong guess. (nt) - Pat D 21:22:51 07/13/06 (0)

"The efficacy of a tweak can only be determined by listening to it" - andy_c 10:32:05 07/13/06 (6)

Agreed! Definitely a good candidate for the #11 spot :) [nt] - Steve Cortez 22:09:48 07/13/06 (4)

You're OK with this variation on your theme then?... - Wellfed 22:22:42 07/13/06 (3)

I think the real question is when's GK going to bottle boogers? hahaha [nt] - Steve Cortez 03:12:33 07/14/06 (2)

OMG! Reminds me of my frat days - kerr 09:54:05 07/14/06 (0)

Don't let that question consume too much of your time. ;-) [nt] - Wellfed 09:08:06 07/14/06 (0)

That does sound like a good bet for #11 [nt] - Wellfed 10:46:40 07/13/06 (0)

Re: Goodness sakes! - Ralph 09:57:39 07/13/06 (47)

I could easily discredit #7 & #9... - Wellfed 11:00:13 07/13/06 (45)

Re: I could easily discredit #7 & #9... - Tom Dawson 21:48:03 07/13/06 (0)

Please do so, then. - Pat D 20:53:48 07/13/06 (5)

Stop by sometime and I will... - Wellfed 21:44:04 07/13/06 (4)

Just buy a 'Wise Little Wristwatch', and you can take good sound wherever you go! - geeber 21:54:18 07/13/06 (3)

Reality never really was my bag baby. [nt] - geeber 22:10:55 07/13/06 (2)

Hey! I didn't post that! - the real geeber 22:15:10 07/13/06 (1)

It was me actually. [nt] - a real wisenheimer 22:29:31 07/13/06 (0)

Re: -And that tube thing? - Ralph 12:34:12 07/13/06 (37)

I only mentioned #7 & #9 because... - Wellfed 18:44:33 07/13/06 (0)

And cables . . . - Pat D 15:35:10 07/13/06 (1)

Re: And cables . . . - Ralph 08:18:40 07/14/06 (0)

Re: -And that tube thing? - theaudiohobby 14:55:36 07/13/06 (33)

Re: -And that low-K capacitor thing?, OR, why aren't Z5U capacitors good enuf for audio - same deal. - Tom Dawson 23:02:03 07/13/06 (5)

Re: -And that low-K capacitor thing?, OR, why aren't Z5U capacitors good enuf for audio - same deal. - theaudiohobby 01:00:50 07/14/06 (4)

Re: -And that low-K capacitor thing?, OR, why aren't Z5U capacitors good enuf for audio - same deal. - Tom Dawson 01:50:40 07/14/06 (3)

Re: Support your comments with data -nt - theaudiohobby 07:23:58 07/14/06 (2)

Here's all the data one could reasonably ask for. However, don't expect a tutorial unless you're willing to pay for it. - Tom Dawson 08:44:44 07/15/06 (1)

Re: Here's all the data one could reasonably ask for. However, don't expect a tutorial unless you're willing to pay for - theaudiohobby 07:02:37 07/17/06 (0)

Re: -And that tube thing? - Ralph 15:22:01 07/13/06 (26)

Re: -And that tube thing? - theaudiohobby 16:04:15 07/13/06 (25)

Re: Harmonics - Ralph 08:09:22 07/14/06 (12)

Re: A red herring - theaudiohobby 08:17:49 07/14/06 (11)

Re: Not at all - Ralph 08:53:12 07/14/06 (10)

Re: Not at all - theaudiohobby 09:29:19 07/14/06 (9)

Re: Not at all - Ralph 09:42:48 07/14/06 (5)

Re: Not at all - theaudiohobby 10:59:30 07/14/06 (4)

Re: strawmen - Ralph 12:05:40 07/14/06 (3)

Re: Strawman? let's start over and see who did that - theaudiohobby 13:42:13 07/14/06 (2)

Re: Strawman? we got one right here... troll warning - Ralph 14:14:37 07/14/06 (1)

Re: Your evidence please - theaudiohobby 17:36:43 07/14/06 (0)

Re: Not at all - morricab 09:42:02 07/14/06 (2)

Re: Not at all - theaudiohobby 12:07:52 07/14/06 (0)

Re: Not at all - theaudiohobby 11:00:35 07/14/06 (0)

Re: -And that tube thing? - morricab 02:21:15 07/14/06 (1)

Re: -And that tube thing? - theaudiohobby 08:12:33 07/14/06 (0)

That the tube vs. SS thing is taken to extremes by ... well ... extremists means little. - bjh 17:06:43 07/13/06 (9)

Re: That the tube vs. SS thing is taken to extremes by ... well ... extremists means little. - theaudiohobby 17:32:01 07/13/06 (8)

Why is you *objectivists* play this silly game? - bjh 19:12:31 07/13/06 (7)

Why is it you continually obfuscate? - Pat D 20:49:41 07/13/06 (6)

Re: Why is it you continually obfuscate? - morricab 02:34:13 07/14/06 (4)

Re: Why is it you continually obfuscate? - Pat D 19:06:50 07/14/06 (0)

Re: Why is it you continually obfuscate? - Dan Banquer 04:30:59 07/14/06 (2)

Re: Why is it you continually obfuscate? - morricab 09:40:52 07/14/06 (1)

Re: Why is it you continually obfuscate? - Dan Banquer 10:51:29 07/14/06 (0)

Pat, you may be my favorite I-Child, but if you want me to read your foolishness - bjh 21:05:35 07/13/06 (0)

At least he believed in speaker break-in. - SalD 10:23:13 07/13/06 (0)

How about "Pure Perfect Sound Forever"? - andy_c 06:54:21 07/13/06 (4)

Re: How about "Pure Perfect Sound Forever"? - Tom Dawson 14:33:01 07/13/06 (0)

Re: How about "Pure Perfect Sound Forever"? - rick_m 09:29:22 07/13/06 (0)

I'm getting great digital sound too... - Wellfed 08:53:42 07/13/06 (0)

Treason! You apparently have little concept of Tribe Loyality! LOL nt - bjh 07:11:40 07/13/06 (0)

Re: Peter Aczel's biggest "lies" in audio from #11 down... - guskund@yahoo.com 06:28:22 07/13/06 (0)

Why bother? - jneutron 06:01:32 07/13/06 (14)

Re: Why bother? - Todd Krieger 13:18:10 07/13/06 (2)

Re: Why bother? - jneutron 13:40:20 07/13/06 (1)

Re: Why bother? - Todd Krieger 13:58:19 07/13/06 (0)

You, of all people - biggerdog 06:56:03 07/13/06 (8)

Re: You, of all people - jneutron 07:13:45 07/13/06 (7)

Subversive! - Dan Banquer 10:59:48 07/13/06 (4)

Re: Subversive! - jneutron 11:16:45 07/13/06 (3)

Re: Subversive! - Dan Banquer 17:43:53 07/13/06 (2)

Why didn't you just tell him to hook it up to hear how good it sounded. Oh yeah!, never mind! Anyway, I feel your pain, - bjh 19:48:54 07/13/06 (1)

LMAO! (nt) - kerr 06:58:27 07/14/06 (0)

Whew! - biggerdog 08:01:27 07/13/06 (1)

Not to worry - jneutron 08:49:48 07/13/06 (0)

Agreed - Schu 06:08:14 07/13/06 (1)

Re: Agreed - morricab 07:03:31 07/13/06 (0)

Re: Peter Aczel's biggest "lies" in audio from #11 down... - Soundmind 05:59:47 07/13/06 (7)

Well perhaps *you* could learn something from Aczel, e.g. product selection. ... - bjh 15:40:09 07/13/06 (0)

Which audio engineers in particular? - Analog Scott 12:46:34 07/13/06 (1)

The usual suspects:Aczel's crew of White Hats - Atexanathome 17:30:36 07/14/06 (0)

The truth is... - Wellfed 11:21:54 07/13/06 (2)

The truth is......there are many new products out there advancing our SOTA...of fleecing fools - Soundmind 11:42:25 07/13/06 (1)

Don't forget, proverbs are many... - Wellfed 12:09:15 07/13/06 (0)

That was a remarkably tame response from you! (nt) - E-Stat 07:29:11 07/13/06 (0)

Peter Who? - damage k 01:49:02 07/13/06 (2)

Thank you speyer... - damage k 15:45:24 07/13/06 (0)

Not cottonears nt - Norm 09:21:24 07/13/06 (0)

Wellfed, perhaps you could ask the man himself and post results here? ;) [nt] - Steve Cortez 21:57:34 07/12/06 (13)

In hindsight... - Wellfed 22:04:33 07/12/06 (12)

Mind you, I was tempted to post #19 on Quantum technology... Guess I just did! :)) [nt] - Steve Cortez 22:14:50 07/12/06 (11)

I just wrote to The Audio Critic... - Wellfed 22:29:54 07/12/06 (10)

He's probably talking about subjects in the Hip Boots columns - Atexanathome 15:12:45 07/13/06 (9)

Stereophile should add a "Hip Boots" section - andy_c 20:51:35 07/14/06 (8)

Maybe there's hope;they didn't embrace the Intelligent Chip - Atexanathome 15:22:33 07/15/06 (7)

Actually, Stereophile's Ken Kessler found the GSIC to be effective... - Wellfed 15:48:34 07/16/06 (0)

I do respect them for that - andy_c 21:53:35 07/15/06 (5)

You don't understand how the GSIC works, do you? - Wellfed 15:53:13 07/16/06 (4)

Your concept of "works" is different from mine - andy_c 17:24:04 07/16/06 (3)

Maybe... - Wellfed 17:58:48 07/16/06 (2)

Re: Maybe... - andy_c 20:26:26 07/16/06 (1)

While I agree with your last paragraph in principle... - Wellfed 15:32:15 07/17/06 (0)

Don't know, but now-a-days bet he wished he'd picked a different - bjh 20:59:50 07/12/06 (0)

Here's number 11 - andy_c 20:53:19 07/12/06 (21)

#14: This thread will NOT turn out to be the biggest rumble that AA has ever seen! (nt) - andy_c 21:10:04 07/12/06 (11)

Only becuse the hypocritical deadbeat *objectivists* that openly (or even covertly) support Azcel will - bjh 21:18:36 07/12/06 (6)

Re: Err, hang on a second... - andy_c 21:30:09 07/12/06 (5)

You are correct... - Wellfed 21:39:11 07/12/06 (0)

Ah so you're a deadbeat *objectivist* that *doesn't* support Azcel ... my aploogies. nt - bjh 21:35:43 07/12/06 (3)

Re: I agree with many of his views - andy_c 21:43:56 07/12/06 (2)

You objectivists!, so darned literal. ... - bjh 05:38:10 07/13/06 (0)

I agree... - Wellfed 22:01:49 07/12/06 (0)

Sorry Andy, 14 is already taken. ;-) [nt] - Wellfed 21:14:31 07/12/06 (3)

Shoot. I have lost the high-speed rant competition (nt) - andy_c 21:18:26 07/12/06 (2)

Now, *that's* funny! nt - markrohr 07:48:17 07/13/06 (1)

You should have see the action live. [nt] - Wellfed 07:59:59 07/13/06 (0)

14. If a miscreant (see 13) *did* return to Audio Reviewing the *Objectivist* element big on Reviewer Credibility would - bjh 21:09:22 07/12/06 (0)

Is there a proper Forum for my request? - Wellfed 21:08:54 07/12/06 (4)

That forum is broke - go to page 2 to post (nt) - andy_c 21:11:59 07/12/06 (3)

Thanks... - Wellfed 21:17:45 07/12/06 (2)

Re: Thanks... - andy_c 21:22:28 07/12/06 (1)

I meant the REAL answer to my original query. [nt] - Wellfed 21:25:21 07/12/06 (0)

13. If an Audio Reviewer doing #12 were caught he'd leave the industry in disgrace and *never* return. nt - bjh 21:04:44 07/12/06 (1)

13.1 If an Audio Reviewer as in 13 held subscription deposits he's ensure that all such were returned, i.e. he - bjh 21:22:10 07/12/06 (0)

12: No Audio Journalist would provide positive reviews for products from a company he secretly owns. - bjh 21:02:30 07/12/06 (0)

Follow Ups

Re: You wanna know the main thing Aczel got totally wrong? - Dave Pogue 07/15/0611:55:27 07/15/06 (14)

Re: You wanna know the main thing Aczel got totally wrong? - minimumphase 12:34:47 07/15/06 (13)

"But properly done surround is a perfectly coherent medium." Sure. As long as your head is in a vise. - geeber 19:16:25 07/15/06 (9)

Nah - Ted Smith 19:53:22 07/15/06 (8)

Re: Nah - geeber 21:23:20 07/15/06 (7)

Re: Nah - Ted Smith 07:53:36 07/16/06 (5)

Arbitrary phase between speakers fine for general enjoyment, but... - geeber 15:35:45 07/16/06 (3)

Who listens critically all of the time? - Ted Smith 16:36:52 07/16/06 (2)

Re: Who listens critically all of the time? - geeber 14:32:38 07/17/06 (1)

Re: Who listens critically all of the time? - Ted Smith 15:28:39 07/17/06 (0)

Correct - minimumphase 08:22:16 07/16/06 (0)

Re: Nah - minimumphase 05:53:47 07/16/06 (0)

I'm glad that you know these recordings so intimately - Dave Pogue 12:56:39 07/15/06 (2)

One last try - minimumphase 13:30:45 07/15/06 (1)

Re: One last try - Dave Pogue 13:36:01 07/15/06 (0)