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In Reply to: Is not at issue....... posted by Sordidman on July 7, 2006 at 12:34:50:
No harm - my dealer remark was a low blow. You wrote some provocative lines, as I enjoy doing, and I took the bait. The trigger for this post was when I reviewed the preamp review archives of a few online audio magazines (must have been pretty bored), and came up massively short of full-function units compared to line-level only units. Add to that my low opinion of line level preamps in general, and the result was this post.Scott
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Follow Ups Full ThreadTopic - Where are the full-function preamps? - tetsuo 11:30:01 07/7/06 (125)
- ModWright has a beauty coming out - a dainty man 12:50:22 07/9/06 (0)
- i know i know--toaster, microwave, hair dryer, nail clipper..all in one right?????? full function????? - aarrgh 01:07:41 07/8/06 (0)
- The ARC SP-9 over here does V. -nt- - cdb 22:39:21 07/7/06 (0)
- Where are the full-function preamps? They are in the past - Soundmind 15:56:54 07/7/06 (22)
- Much of what you say is right - minimumphase 05:38:11 07/8/06 (20)
- Did you see his preamp? Two knobs in a box with a bag of sand...no kidding - Soundmind 14:02:18 07/8/06 (19)
- The sand is for ballast - minimumphase 15:49:11 07/8/06 (10)
- Talk about minimal function...it dosn't look like it would make much of a boat anchor either - Soundmind 16:21:53 07/8/06 (9)
- No, it's to increase the pounds per dollar ratio (nt) - minimumphase 16:23:05 07/8/06 (8)
- Oh Mister Sandman, bring me a dream. - Soundmind 16:41:31 07/8/06 (7)
- For some reason, pulling on any of its legs wasn't turning down the gain - E-Stat 09:20:53 07/9/06 (0)
- ROTFL (nt) - minimumphase 21:50:44 07/8/06 (5)
- I considered using bricks, but... - E-Stat 11:03:07 07/9/06 (4)
- Re: I considered using bricks, but... - minimumphase 11:25:02 07/9/06 (3)
- I'm curious about the sand - Soundmind 13:35:08 07/9/06 (1)
- Answers - E-Stat 15:14:38 07/9/06 (0)
- I used a mil-spec sandwich bag to prevent moisture accumulation (nt) - E-Stat 11:33:25 07/9/06 (0)
- It's not a preamp - E-Stat 15:09:00 07/8/06 (0)
- And not a single x-band equalizer in sight, clearly not going to be getting the soundmind nod of approval ... - bjh 15:07:28 07/8/06 (6)
- Admission - E-Stat 15:12:23 07/8/06 (5)
- Careful - minimumphase 15:51:29 07/8/06 (0)
- What's a "HT" system? Something new? - bjh 15:14:38 07/8/06 (3)
- You should hear HP's modest little HT/MC rig - E-Stat 15:22:36 07/8/06 (2)
- Hapaya! - minimumphase 07:15:37 07/9/06 (1)
- Gesundheit! - E-Stat 08:11:32 07/9/06 (0)
- You completely missed his point - E-Stat 16:35:50 07/7/06 (0)
- VTL Super Deluxe on eBay right now - Bill Way 14:32:41 07/7/06 (0)
- Are you serious! - Garth 13:43:43 07/7/06 (16)
- Don't forget McIntosh.... - doodlebug 00:23:22 07/8/06 (0)
- Re: Perfectly serious! - tetsuo 14:13:02 07/7/06 (14)
- AMC tube pre-amps (nt) - Teresa 17:35:49 07/8/06 (0)
- Come on... theres TONNES more... - Steve Cortez 20:44:06 07/7/06 (0)
- Re: Perfectly serious! - michaelavorgna 20:38:35 07/7/06 (0)
- AKSA "Swift" with MM phono option. :-)) nt - andyr 20:28:06 07/7/06 (0)
- Tron Syren - Pcosta 17:58:38 07/7/06 (0)
- Juicy Music (nt) - Tutordennis 17:03:09 07/7/06 (0)
- Add Joule Electra and Herron. - M3 lover 16:56:34 07/7/06 (0)
- Re: Perfectly serious! - unclestu52 15:51:25 07/7/06 (1)
- Bryston (nt) - marc g. 15:38:56 07/7/06 (0)
- dB Systems - Atexanathome 14:45:26 07/7/06 (0)
- Aesthetix Janus...love my Calypso...nt - Steve Parry 14:32:04 07/7/06 (0)
- See, the list is rather large. Thanks for compiling it, I couldn't! (-: (nt) - Garth 14:23:11 07/7/06 (0)
- Cary (nt) - newyorkp7 14:19:27 07/7/06 (1)
- Re: Cary (nt) - Godzilla. 20:10:45 07/7/06 (0)
- You can add the Gill Audio Design Alana to list ... - Stephæn 13:03:53 07/7/06 (0)
- Audible Illusions still offers what you are looking for - kavakidd 12:04:12 07/7/06 (0)
- Disagree with your assumptions.... - Sordidman 11:52:18 07/7/06 (76)
- Negligent disinformation - Brian Walsh 18:25:38 07/8/06 (12)
- Naw, just my opinion - Sordidman 08:55:43 07/9/06 (5)
- Records aren't being made anymore... - musetap 15:43:53 07/10/06 (0)
- Re: "Records aren't being made anymore." - Brian Walsh 13:02:07 07/9/06 (3)
- shirly you jest.... - Sordidman 16:11:18 07/9/06 (2)
- Re: shirly you jest.... - Brian Walsh 17:23:35 07/9/06 (1)
- Agreed it was teenagers that kept LP alive. And Rap is still the most popular music on LP. - Teresa 21:47:46 07/9/06 (0)
- Okay Brian, you convinced me - Bersani 08:52:54 07/9/06 (5)
- It's NOT better IMO..... - Sordidman 10:52:17 07/9/06 (4)
- Re: It's NOT better IMO..... - Brian Walsh 17:29:23 07/9/06 (0)
- Re: It's NOT better IMO..... - Jwm 13:43:39 07/9/06 (2)
- I respect what you have said - Sordidman 16:18:40 07/9/06 (1)
- Re: I respect what you have said - Jwm 19:08:15 07/9/06 (0)
- "Now, CDPs are on their way out " - you might be right on that one. (nt) - Guth 20:34:30 07/7/06 (0)
- You couldnt be more wrong! - jcoe 16:58:43 07/7/06 (0)
- "Vinyl is dead, and doesn't sound very good compared to CD". Bullshit #74,187,934 - musetap 15:22:22 07/7/06 (1)
- truth number 209, but I guess that your opinion is different -t - Sordidman 16:37:53 07/7/06 (0)
- Well Sordidman, - Bruce Kendall 14:19:11 07/7/06 (4)
- Funny you should mention..... - Sordidman 14:48:41 07/7/06 (3)
- Mekong - groove 08:04:21 07/8/06 (0)
- Aw crap...... - Bruce Kendall 15:01:10 07/7/06 (1)
- Dude... just use the TRANSPORTER: Everyone knows Bruce Kendall!!! -t - Sordidman 15:05:27 07/7/06 (0)
- Disagree, and ... - docw 13:41:47 07/7/06 (3)
- Real music? - Sordidman 15:39:33 07/7/06 (2)
- addendum - docw 20:20:17 07/7/06 (0)
- both vinyl and digital can sound entertaining... - docw 19:53:33 07/7/06 (0)
- My cheap $629.00 Music Hall MMF-5 turntable beats ANY CD Player, and even outperforms my DVD-Audio and SACD players! - Teresa 13:29:25 07/7/06 (9)
- Well, - IMO, - the Cary is not a very good CDP.... - Sordidman 14:29:59 07/7/06 (8)
- Re: Well, - IMO, - the Cary is not a very good CDP.... - minimumphase 21:53:34 07/8/06 (0)
- Apples to oranges.... - Sean 14:37:39 07/7/06 (6)
- Crappy recordings exist in all media - Sordidman 14:44:17 07/7/06 (5)
- You didn't make a comparison.... - Sean 14:50:50 07/7/06 (4)
- going backwards in time..... - Sordidman 15:24:42 07/7/06 (3)
- "... you can play a hell of a lot more recordings with the Prima than you can a turntable"... - newyorkp7 15:38:15 07/7/06 (2)
- The Go Team's latest release wasn't out on vinyl, - or was it? - Sordidman 15:46:05 07/7/06 (1)
- "The Go teams Latest Release Wasn't Out on Vinyl"... - newyorkp7 15:52:18 07/7/06 (0)
- Re: Disagree with your assumptions.... - jamesgarvin 13:25:17 07/7/06 (3)
- re: "This would seem to be counterintuitive."... - Neil49 16:18:47 07/7/06 (0)
- Agree don't give up on LPs! - Teresa 13:35:01 07/7/06 (1)
- Re: Agree don't give up on LPs! - jamesgarvin 14:59:44 07/7/06 (0)
- Re: Your dealer's perspective - tetsuo 12:20:17 07/7/06 (6)
- Is not at issue....... - Sordidman 12:34:50 07/7/06 (4)
- Re: Shooting from the hip - tetsuo 07/7/0613:55:26 07/7/06 (3)
- Cheers........ Yeah... I'm bored today too.... - Sordidman 14:26:00 07/7/06 (2)
- Well you got me! But I do like both Analog and high resolution Digital if done right. - Teresa 14:42:44 07/7/06 (1)
- Yes, I'm pretty darn wound up about "Fanfare for the Common Man" - Sordidman 14:53:15 07/7/06 (0)
- I've known Sordidman for quite some time, - Bruce Kendall 12:34:17 07/7/06 (0)
- My Gawd man! - kavakidd 12:02:27 07/7/06 (28)
- Snap, crackle, pop....... - Sordidman 12:38:05 07/7/06 (27)
- Re: Snap, crackle, pop....... - minimumphase 05:48:24 07/8/06 (1)
- Fremer's evaluations? - Abel McCain 11:52:28 07/9/06 (0)
- Re: Snap, crackle, pop....... - docw 13:46:06 07/7/06 (0)
- LPs on a good turntable DO NOT Snap, crackle, pop unless you have been using them as Frisbees! (nt) - Teresa 13:37:15 07/7/06 (7)
- They do. - minimumphase 05:52:33 07/8/06 (6)
- On my turntable there is no snap, crackle or pop on mint condition LPs. - Teresa 07:26:49 07/8/06 (5)
- Re: On my turntable there is no snap, crackle or pop on mint condition LPs. - minimumphase 11:04:34 07/8/06 (4)
- However it works - Teresa 17:40:40 07/8/06 (3)
- Re: However it works - minimumphase 21:57:06 07/8/06 (2)
- I have many Classic Records 24/96 DADs and the Classic Records LPs are much better - Teresa 23:36:53 07/8/06 (1)
- Re: I have many Classic Records 24/96 DADs and the Classic Records LPs are much better - minimumphase 08:56:41 07/9/06 (0)
- Snap, crackle, pop mania - thoriated 13:32:06 07/7/06 (10)
- Don't have to when I can just listen to a CD or hard drive/USB -t - Sordidman 14:32:00 07/7/06 (3)
- I've never been to a live concert that didn't have noise - unclestu52 16:00:36 07/7/06 (2)
- IMO, a home stereo should rarely involve comparisons to live music - Sordidman 14:06:20 07/8/06 (1)
- Re: IMO, a home stereo should rarely involve comparisons to live music - unclestu52 13:53:27 07/9/06 (0)
- Yep! Some apparently can't, an odd tick or pop apparently - bjh 14:18:12 07/7/06 (5)
- JarJar's feet never did properly touch the ground when he walked - Sordidman 14:39:49 07/7/06 (4)
- OMG the Inner Grove Distortion Demon! Save me, save me! LOL - bjh 14:52:15 07/7/06 (3)
- Indeed, you are most correct.............. - Sordidman 15:02:08 07/7/06 (2)
- Ah don't worry bout it, besides to borrow a reference from film I tend to - bjh 15:10:14 07/7/06 (1)
- "Worst bathroom on earth" - Sordidman 15:28:21 07/7/06 (0)
- Interesting - - kavakidd 12:42:04 07/7/06 (4)
- Re: Interesting - - jamesgarvin 13:16:29 07/7/06 (3)
- Which I never do..... - Sordidman 14:47:04 07/7/06 (2)
- Re: Which I never do..... - jamesgarvin 15:07:16 07/7/06 (1)
- Right, good point........ - Sordidman 15:34:44 07/7/06 (0)
- Re: Where are the full-function preamps? - gymwear5@hotmail.com 11:42:06 07/7/06 (0)
- Apparently no interest. However cable sales are booming. (nt) - Garth 11:33:22 07/7/06 (0)
Follow Ups
- Re: Shooting from the hip - tetsuo 07/7/0613:55:26 07/7/06 (3)
- Cheers........ Yeah... I'm bored today too.... - Sordidman 14:26:00 07/7/06 (2)
- Well you got me! But I do like both Analog and high resolution Digital if done right. - Teresa 14:42:44 07/7/06 (1)
- Yes, I'm pretty darn wound up about "Fanfare for the Common Man" - Sordidman 14:53:15 07/7/06 (0)