In Reply to: RE: Yes, I did posted by Todd Krieger on November 2, 2021 at 09:52:03:
And I think it is fair to say that the state of audio has changed a great deal over the past 38 years since I first got into high end audio.
I base my beliefs on what looks to me to be the best sources of information. Once I had the mechanisms of bias effects and how we process sound thoroughly explained to me I had to rethink a lot of what I believed about audio.
I think the elephant in the room is what happens when we do blind listening tests. Alleged night and day differences somehow become undetectable.
Now that I know the basics of how we process sound it all makes perfect sense. But with that said what would be your alternate explination for this phenomenon? How do night and day differences become undetectable under blind level matched conditions? It is important to understand that in the field of psychoacoustics DBTs are the gold standard and used exlusively. And the research in that field has found DBTs to be the most sensitive and reliable form of listening evaluations for detecting differences and forming preferences based on sound alone. IOW differences areclearly heard in DBTs when they are there. It was how researchers established the thresholds of human hearing.
This video explains it quite well. Pay attention to the feed back loops used in our formation of aural memories. It's quite critical.
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- I most definitely changed my perspective - Analog Scott 11/2/2110:27:46 11/2/21 (65)
- The problem with blind tests - geoffkait 11:18:31 11/2/21 (15)
- That is not "the problem" with blind tests - Analog Scott 11:48:18 11/2/21 (11)
- "Well designed tests" - geoffkait 13:30:28 11/2/21 (6)
- RE: "Well designed tests" - rivervalley817 14:30:23 11/2/21 (1)
- RE: "Well designed tests" - geoffkait 09:56:03 11/3/21 (0)
- scientists are the first judge. Attrition of falsifiability and scientific priniciples are the ultimate judge - Analog Scott 14:07:08 11/2/21 (3)
- When I read your sentences it almost sounds like dirty talk. - geoffkait 14:51:53 11/2/21 (2)
- hmmm, this may be one of those rare moments of truth. I don't know - Analog Scott 15:14:17 11/2/21 (1)
- This is what happens when you over-commit. Lol nt - geoffkait 15:20:57 11/2/21 (0)
- RE: That is not "the problem" with blind tests - rivervalley817 11:50:48 11/2/21 (3)
- I am trying not to - Analog Scott 12:00:00 11/2/21 (2)
- RE: I am trying not to - rivervalley817 12:36:36 11/2/21 (1)
- Good job! - geoffkait 14:54:39 11/2/21 (0)
- RE: The problem with blind tests - rivervalley817 11:45:00 11/2/21 (2)
- RE: The problem with blind tests - geoffkait 12:12:17 11/2/21 (0)
- exactly. nt - Analog Scott 12:00:56 11/2/21 (0)
- RE: I most definitely changed my perspective - Todd Krieger 10:44:34 11/2/21 (48)
- RE: I most definitely changed my perspective - geoffkait 12:34:19 11/2/21 (28)
- RE: I most definitely changed my perspective - Todd Krieger 13:24:42 11/2/21 (26)
- If you really believe that - Analog Scott 14:10:41 11/2/21 (25)
- RE: If you really believe that - Todd Krieger 15:19:05 11/2/21 (8)
- You have had colorful conversations? - Analog Scott 15:35:54 11/2/21 (7)
- RE: You have had colorful conversations? - Todd Krieger 16:09:06 11/2/21 (6)
- You are just dancing around the elephant in the room again - Analog Scott 16:21:35 11/2/21 (5)
- RE: You are just dancing around the elephant in the room again - Todd Krieger 16:51:29 11/2/21 (4)
- wrong - Analog Scott 17:03:23 11/2/21 (3)
- He's doing it again. Logical fallacy alert! - geoffkait 04:33:48 11/5/21 (0)
- I Can See........... - Todd Krieger 17:21:36 11/2/21 (1)
- wishful thinking - Analog Scott 19:22:44 11/2/21 (0)
- RE: If you really believe that - geoffkait 14:43:26 11/2/21 (2)
- JJ never thought that MP3 files sound as good as CDs.... - Rod M 18:10:39 11/3/21 (1)
- RE: JJ never thought that MP3 files sound as good as CDs.... - Todd Krieger 00:34:04 11/4/21 (0)
- I've had some really humorous exchanges - E-Stat 14:38:58 11/2/21 (12)
- Those were humorous? - Analog Scott 14:56:38 11/2/21 (10)
- He never answered my simple question - E-Stat 15:16:01 11/2/21 (9)
- RE: He never answered my simple question - geoffkait 15:52:00 11/2/21 (4)
- It's all still there - E-Stat 16:40:50 11/2/21 (3)
- I admired the way he would frequently complain of personal attacks but in a nice way. Lol nt - geoffkait 16:57:20 11/2/21 (2)
- I thought I captured his persona pretty well - E-Stat 11:29:15 11/3/21 (1)
- That there is some funny stuff. I saw threads from 2001 (Space Odyssey) lol nt - geoffkait 14:52:41 11/3/21 (0)
- sure he did - Analog Scott 15:23:30 11/2/21 (3)
- You didn't read my question closely either :) - E-Stat 15:37:12 11/2/21 (2)
- Yes I did read it - Analog Scott 15:48:28 11/2/21 (1)
- RE: Yes I did read it - geoffkait 15:54:38 11/2/21 (0)
- I had quite a few myself. More than a hundred. Lol nt - geoffkait 14:48:10 11/2/21 (0)
- RE: I most definitely changed my perspective - rivervalley817 12:45:15 11/2/21 (0)
- +1 - E-Stat 10:59:01 11/2/21 (0)
- RE: I most definitely changed my perspective - Analog Scott 10:56:42 11/2/21 (17)
- RE: I most definitely changed my perspective - Todd Krieger 11:09:23 11/2/21 (16)
- RE: I most definitely changed my perspective - Analog Scott 11:58:25 11/2/21 (15)
- RE: I most definitely changed my perspective - Todd Krieger 13:33:59 11/2/21 (8)
- RE: I most definitely changed my perspective - Analog Scott 14:21:41 11/2/21 (7)
- I Don't Get This Obsession with "Detection"........ - Todd Krieger 02:24:36 11/3/21 (5)
- you can say something that is wrong 100 times and it will still be wrong - Analog Scott 08:21:47 11/3/21 (4)
- RE: you can say something that is wrong 100 times and it will still be wrong - Todd Krieger 09:19:18 11/3/21 (3)
- RE: you can say something that is wrong 100 times and it will still be wrong - Analog Scott 10:10:29 11/3/21 (2)
- RE: you can say something that is wrong 100 times and it will still be wrong - Todd Krieger 13:55:50 11/3/21 (1)
- "But there is no such thing as an "ABX DBT"" - Analog Scott 18:35:35 11/3/21 (0)
- "Why do night and day differences become undetectable in blind tests?" - geoffkait 17:36:19 11/2/21 (0)
- Are medical-style DBT's really necessary? - Feanor 13:00:09 11/2/21 (5)
- Valid point alert!!!!! - Analog Scott 14:16:27 11/2/21 (0)
- From A Marketing Perspective......... - Todd Krieger 13:42:11 11/2/21 (3)
- No.... - Analog Scott 14:26:19 11/2/21 (2)
- RE: No.... - Todd Krieger 17:12:49 11/2/21 (1)
- You are in over your head - Analog Scott 19:35:39 11/2/21 (0)