In Reply to: CD and vinyl record polarity posted by georgelouis on May 21, 2006 at 03:06:03:
... CD's, vinyl, or any other format has no certainty about what the absolute polarity will be. One format can vary from the other, despite the product coming from the same company. Even more frustrating, is that re-issues or new batches of product could have a DIFFERENT absolute polarity than an earlier one, or a later one.The reason for this is that so many engineers are not fully aware of the issues with absolute polarity, it was never 'taught' in engineering school, and the recording industry pro's typically didn't talk about it to junior engineers. etc. It sort of fell through the cracks for a generation or two of recording pro's. Oh, lot's of recording pro's know about absolute polarity, and take steps to preserve it, but unfortunately, not all the rest of the folks who build mastering devices, recorders, playback devices, etc., are up to speed, or even care.
That last comes from a portion of the hard-core objectivists, some of whom firmly believe that absolute polarity just doesn't matter. Of course, when your'e listening on some high-order slope 3-way speaker's that were selected because they measure 'perfect' in frequency response, and the effective absolute polarity changes three or four times over the audio band, and your power amp has poor audio waveform envelope rentention (even though it has wonderful static sine wave THD readings), and the signal source has a terminal case of digititis, even though it measures to better than 16 bits of linearity, well, gee, absolute polarity is hard as hell to hear even if you wanted to.
Yes, some of the audiophile labels take great care in maintaining the absolute polarity of their products, and can be counted on to be consistent, but the vast majority of labels just don't keep track of it, or even know to keep track. So worrying about it overly is not going to do much good, the best you can do is to have a polarity switch somewhere in your system (the ideal place is in the CDP/DAC, as it is theoretically possible for a polarity inversion to be performed with no additional sonic degradation, without adding any analog switches into the signal path), and just listen to the music both ways, and pick the polarity you prefer.
Jon Risch
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Follow Ups
- Get over it, the sad truth is.... - Jon Risch 05/21/0620:04:29 05/21/06 (18)
- "Human hearing is not sensitive to absolute phase ... absolute phase can be audible, but it is (generally) irrelevant - Richard BassNut Greene 10:14:29 05/22/06 (5)
- Oh! Well, that settles it, then. nt - markrohr 02:53:53 05/23/06 (0)
- Re: "Human hearing is not sensitive to absolute phase ... absolute phase can be audible, but it is (generally) irrelevan - tecnofossil 16:50:49 05/22/06 (1)
- "I'd be careful of citing his work as the final word....." No kidding. nt - clarkjohnsen 08:44:15 05/23/06 (0)
- Moot point - Jon Risch 10:23:45 05/22/06 (1)
- None of my points are moot points -- So now you're an attorney too! - Richard BassNut Greene 17:19:30 05/22/06 (0)
- All very true, Jon, with this IMPORTANT exception: - clarkjohnsen 09:10:12 05/22/06 (8)
- Let's rename 'absolute' to 'final.' Everything upstream is 'relative,' literally...-nt- - cdb 18:00:54 05/22/06 (1)
- Excellent observation... betrays a full understanding... try telling it to tout le monde, though... nt - clarkjohnsen 08:34:32 05/23/06 (0)
- Sorry Clark - Jon Risch 10:29:36 05/22/06 (5)
- You labor under a delusion, sir -- perhaps your only one. - clarkjohnsen 10:44:54 05/22/06 (4)
- "I've banished that notion in the message referenced below." CJ - garth 12:40:24 05/22/06 (3)
- And where in that paper do you read about inscription of acoustic polarity onto any media? - clarkjohnsen 15:33:48 05/22/06 (2)
- So tell us how. Oh, you can't either? Thought so. - garth 00:34:41 05/23/06 (1)
- Huh! And you accuse *me* of being condescending. - clarkjohnsen 08:42:33 05/23/06 (0)
- Re: Get over it, the sad truth is.... - Doc Gaw 05:46:53 05/22/06 (2)
- "Finally someone who understands absolute polarity." I beg your pardon! - clarkjohnsen 09:01:13 05/22/06 (0)
- Make things EASY for yourself... - SE 07:46:39 05/22/06 (0)