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In Reply to: The DBT that proved all amplifiers sound DIFFERENT posted by Feanor on December 28, 2005 at 04:26:07:
Speaking for myself, I hear difference between amplifier that I don't consider just my imagination. Hence I think ought to be possible to conduct a blind test that identifies those differences. So when I recalled this ancient Sound Advice article I did feel somewhat vindicated -- and thought some of you might even feel that same way. I guess that was simple-minded of me.The Sound Advice editors were writing in 1975, long before the current notoriety of DBT. In fact, they never did use the term "double bind test" per se . They didn't write their article to withstand scientific peer scrutiny. Their test setup was very well documented and could be repeated I dare say, however they did not present a tabulation nor statistical analysis of their results. I might be willing to risk that after 30 years the copywrite holders wont' care if their article is reproduced. If anyone cares enough, email me with your ground address and I will send you a copy once I've made my copywrite infringement decision.
I would have hoped for a few nice, straight forward responses along the lines of, "Interesting, Feanor, I've heard differences between amps and I feel vindicated by this test, always assuming it was validly conducted as you suppose". Well that didn't quite happen, nevertheless I would like to thank you all for your responses and a few in particular.
kerr -- Thanks for your thanks, and know that I'm basically a subjectivist too.
Wellfed -- Thanks for recognizing the spirit of my post.
GL -- Special thanks to you for pointing out the DBTs are a threat audiophile conceit, whether the results are negative or positive.
clarkjohnsen -- Thanks for recognizing that my information would be quickly dismissed for reasons valid and not so valid.
RichardBassNutGreene -- Many thanks. Thanks for fulfilling Clark's prediction. Thanks for calling me a "master" when I was actually naive. Thanks also for suggesting weaknesses in the test.
Dave Pogue -- Thanks for missing the point that the test was about finding the most accurate, (least inaccurate), amp, not the prettiest sounding.
lanny -- Thanks, and to you I award the Jackass prize. How original to suggest that if one doesn't hear differences in lengths of resistor, etc., one must be deaf or have a lousy system. How ridiculous to suggest that I was seeking approval for a component I purchased 25 years ago and no longer use. Perhaps you'd care to delete your own AA bookmark.
Bill Bailey
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Follow Ups
- Folks, HELLO! It was all very simple - Feanor 12/29/0504:47:49 12/29/05 (28)
- Yep- It's pretty strange alright. - GL 22:58:48 12/29/05 (0)
- Funny how something so well meaning and seemingly - musetap 15:56:07 12/29/05 (0)
- "RichardBassNutGreene -- Many thanks...for fulfilling Clark's prediction." Shucks, that was too easy! nt - clarkjohnsen 10:24:29 12/29/05 (1)
- In fact every one of your predictions was wrong (even a stopped clock is right twice a day) - Richard BassNut Greene 10:56:38 12/29/05 (0)
- The DBT that proved all amplifiers sound THE SAME - Richard BassNut Greene 07:22:24 12/29/05 (23)
- "Objective": I don't think it means what you think if means! - Feanor 10:00:53 12/29/05 (0)
- False indeed - Feanor 07:50:33 12/29/05 (21)
- "It's "common knowledge" that DBTs of properly functioning amplifiers reveal no differences amongst them" - Richard BassNut Greene 08:52:12 12/29/05 (14)
- Read up or shut up - Feanor 09:41:58 12/29/05 (13)
- The golden ears often end up using character attacks when trying to refute an objective audiophile - Richard BassNut Greene 10:00:14 12/29/05 (12)
- Re: A pity.. - theaudiohobby 22:16:25 12/29/05 (2)
- This can not possibly be a "DBT debate" because there was no DBT ----- a subjective audition was falsely called a "DBT" - Richard BassNut Greene 07:55:00 12/30/05 (1)
- Re: This can not possibly be a "DBT debate" because there was no DBT ----- a subjective audition was falsely called a "D - theaudiohobby 10:39:38 12/31/05 (0)
- Oh please! Now you're the victim - Feanor 10:04:53 12/29/05 (8)
- I said there was no test in my first post of this thread -- you've danced around that fact ever since - Richard BassNut Greene 10:25:25 12/29/05 (7)
- You keep digging yourself deeper and deeper - Dave Pogue 17:14:15 12/29/05 (6)
- Was any attempt made to prove any listener really had the ability to differentiate among amplifiers? - Richard BassNut Greene 07:34:47 12/30/05 (3)
- The test consumed 19 solid pages of text, charts, and sine wave photos - Dave Pogue 08:09:16 12/30/05 (2)
- I don't care if there were 190 pages -- was ANY attempt made to prove audibility of amplifier differences - Richard BassNut Greene 09:04:59 12/30/05 (1)
- how about 191? - jneutron 10:32:23 12/30/05 (0)
- Thanks again, Dave - Feanor 04:48:27 12/30/05 (1)
- My pleasure - Dave Pogue 05:07:42 12/30/05 (0)
- Richard just got stabbed with his own double-edged sword - kerr 08:03:05 12/29/05 (5)
- kerr, people are going to accuse me of writing YOUR posts just so I have such an easy target to refute - Richard BassNut Greene 09:06:05 12/29/05 (4)
- But don't you see you're shooting down yourself? - kerr 10:06:48 12/29/05 (3)
- Comparing a "test" to similar tests in the past three decades is as objective as one can be - Richard BassNut Greene 08:03:03 12/30/05 (2)
- But your conclusions are anything but! - kerr 09:46:09 12/30/05 (1)
- I questioned the label "DBT" -- and so far it seems that label was misleading - Richard BassNut Greene 10:40:31 12/30/05 (0)
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