Tone Controls on most audio components are useless. - Tony Montana

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Topic - Julian Hirsch And Sonic Differences Between Amplifiers - ka7niq 21:09:42 10/9/05 (203)

Re: Julian Hirsch And Sonic Differences Between Amplifiers - Ozzie 07:55:50 10/13/05 (0)

Re: Julian Hirsch And Sonic Differences Between Amplifiers - middleground 05:19:49 10/11/05 (1)

Re: Julian Hirsch And Sonic Differences Between Amplifiers - Todd Krieger 09:55:33 10/12/05 (0)

Tact and Z-sys - Rodney Gold 01:36:38 10/11/05 (0)

I use "tone controls" with my Quad 57's - longtimequadowner 20:17:20 10/10/05 (1)

Re: I use "tone controls" with my Quad 57's - morricab 07:05:26 10/13/05 (0)

At this stage of the game, I'd go with a digital room correction device, like the Tact. No loss, just gain. nt - gme109 18:38:01 10/10/05 (0)

Tone Controls on most audio components are useless. - Tony Montana 10/10/0515:33:43 10/10/05 (0)

Treble balance. - Al Sekela 14:41:22 10/10/05 (12)

Todays audiophiles are left with no remedies - Soundmind 15:33:27 10/11/05 (5)

Re: Todays audiophiles are left with no remedies - Ozzie 08:00:48 10/13/05 (0)

What are you supposed to do... - mkuller 10:30:27 10/12/05 (0)

Find a different hobby, - Al Sekela 09:22:07 10/12/05 (0)

Re: Todays audiophiles are left with no remedies - morricab 23:58:37 10/11/05 (1)

Re: Todays audiophiles are left with no remedies - Soundmind 04:47:40 10/12/05 (0)

Re: Treble balance. - morricab 01:14:26 10/11/05 (3)

Julian imbalance. - Ozzie 08:12:23 10/13/05 (2)

Re: Julian imbalance. - morricab 02:44:29 10/14/05 (1)

Re: Julian imbalance. - Ozzie 12:09:39 10/14/05 (0)

Re: Treble balance. - hahax@rcn.com 20:05:06 10/10/05 (0)

Re: Treble balance. - ka7niq 15:31:43 10/10/05 (0)

The only type of 'tone controls'... - mkuller 09:05:33 10/10/05 (24)

Re: The only type of 'tone controls'... - Ozzie 08:14:40 10/13/05 (0)

Re: The only type of 'tone controls'... - Inmate51 11:26:05 10/11/05 (0)

Re: The only type of 'tone controls'... - ka7niq 10:15:15 10/10/05 (21)

Re: The only type of 'tone controls'... - Ozzie 08:15:36 10/13/05 (0)

So then - E-Stat 16:03:28 10/10/05 (7)

Re: So then - morricab 01:18:56 10/11/05 (6)

I'm with you - E-Stat 16:16:13 10/11/05 (5)

Re: I'm with you - morricab 00:01:20 10/12/05 (4)

Re: I'm with you - Ozzie 08:16:45 10/13/05 (1)

Re: I'm with you - morricab 08:26:31 10/13/05 (0)

One of my favorites from the early 60s is... - E-Stat 19:58:25 10/12/05 (1)

Re: One of my favorites from the early 60s is... - Ozzie 08:20:06 10/13/05 (0)

You have a point... - mkuller 11:31:37 10/10/05 (11)

Re: You have a point... - Ozzie 08:20:45 10/13/05 (0)

Re: You have a point... - Inmate51 16:02:14 10/11/05 (0)

"I guess if the recording is that bad, I just don't listen to it." - markrohr 10:25:33 10/11/05 (3)

Re: "I guess if the recording is that bad, I just don't listen to it." - Ozzie 08:22:37 10/13/05 (0)

Don't get me wrong... - mkuller 13:36:56 10/11/05 (1)

Guess I like more music that sounds crappy! ;-) nt - markrohr 14:08:02 10/12/05 (0)

Re: You have a point... - ka7niq 12:16:06 10/10/05 (4)

Confession... - mkuller 13:03:34 10/10/05 (3)

Re: Confession... - Ozzie 08:24:26 10/13/05 (0)

Re: Confession... - morricab 01:20:23 10/11/05 (0)

Re: Confession... - ka7niq 13:33:34 10/10/05 (0)

Even in those days no tone control could make the little Quad amp sound like the ARC 76. - Norm 08:28:03 10/10/05 (8)

Re: Even in those days no tone control could make the little Quad amp sound like the ARC 76. - john curl 09:42:58 10/11/05 (0)

" would rather go with the flatest frequency response I can get" - FTF 08:40:39 10/10/05 (6)

I go with an excellent sounding amp, the Reimyo, and - Norm 13:58:33 10/10/05 (5)

Re: I go with an excellent sounding amp, the Reimyo, and - FTF 15:38:47 10/10/05 (4)

And maybe not. nt - Norm 17:26:08 10/10/05 (3)

Re: And maybe not. nt - FTF 20:58:23 10/10/05 (2)

Are you recommending them? I don't have any. nt - Norm 05:50:53 10/11/05 (1)

Oh Yeah, they ROCK! (nt) - FTF 15:46:16 10/11/05 (0)

Re: Julian Hirsch And Sonic Differences Between Amplifiers - john curl 08:10:20 10/10/05 (29)

Geez I haven't heard the term Baxandall tossed around... - EdAInWestOC 08:56:39 10/10/05 (0)

Re: Julian Hirsch And Sonic Differences Between Amplifiers - ka7niq 08:39:31 10/10/05 (25)

Re: Julian Hirsch And Sonic Differences Between Amplifiers - Soundmind 11:16:37 10/10/05 (14)

You do so love your audiophile rants ! - E-Stat 17:25:14 10/10/05 (10)

Re: You do so love your audiophile rants ! - Soundmind 18:28:49 10/10/05 (9)

Listen to the systems I'm referring to - E-Stat 18:50:33 10/10/05 (8)

Re: Listen to the systems I'm referring to - Soundmind 19:16:42 10/10/05 (7)

You really can't be serious this time, right? - E-Stat 19:36:45 10/10/05 (6)

Re: You really can't be serious this time, right? - Soundmind 05:54:15 10/11/05 (5)

As I said earlier, the LS is much faster - E-Stat 16:10:23 10/11/05 (0)

The Chrysler 300C SRT-8 HEMI, is supposedly a top choice sport sedan, but will run you $40K+ or so. - cfb 10:24:40 10/11/05 (3)

Re: The Chrysler 300C SRT-8 HEMI, is supposedly a top choice sport sedan, but will run you $40K+ or so. - Soundmind 11:45:02 10/11/05 (2)

Sounds like you guys should be driving... - Wellfed 15:32:55 10/11/05 (1)

The only 4 banger I really thought Iâ€™d like, would be the Lotus Turbo Esprit ;-) NT - cfb 20:03:50 10/11/05 (0)

Re: Julian Hirsch And Sonic Differences Between Amplifiers - FTF 11:38:03 10/10/05 (2)

Scares me too nt - Soundmind 12:06:20 10/10/05 (1)

Re: Scares me too nt - FTF 12:25:23 10/10/05 (0)

Re: Julian Hirsch And Sonic Differences Between Amplifiers - john curl 09:13:40 10/10/05 (9)

Does Behringer do it in Digital domain ? - ka7niq 10:09:15 10/10/05 (7)

Re: Does Behringer do it in Digital domain ? - Ozzie 08:35:32 10/13/05 (0)

Re: Does Behringer do it in Digital domain ? - andy_c 19:13:44 10/10/05 (2)

Re: Does Behringer do it in Digital domain ? - morricab 01:27:53 10/11/05 (1)

Re: Does Behringer do it in Digital domain ? - andy_c 17:33:29 10/11/05 (0)

Re: Does Behringer do it in Digital domain ? - john curl 10:17:16 10/10/05 (1)

Re: Does Behringer do it in Digital domain ? - Ozzie 08:39:49 10/13/05 (0)

Re: Does Behringer do it in Digital domain ? - john curl 10:15:35 10/10/05 (0)

PEQ 305 - FTF 09:19:34 10/10/05 (0)

Well put sir (nt) - profbrookes 08:18:35 10/10/05 (0)

Oh so you take the blame! ; ) - FTF 08:12:23 10/10/05 (0)

Re: Julian Hirsch And Sonic Differences Between Amplifiers - profbrookes 07:59:17 10/10/05 (11)

Re: Julian Hirsch And Sonic Differences Between Amplifiers - FTF 08:07:49 10/10/05 (10)

Re: Julian Hirsch And Sonic Differences Between Amplifiers - profbrookes 08:14:28 10/10/05 (9)

Re: Julian Hirsch And Sonic Differences Between Amplifiers - FTF 08:18:33 10/10/05 (8)

Re: Julian Hirsch And Sonic Differences Between Amplifiers - profbrookes 08:25:32 10/10/05 (7)

Re: Julian Hirsch And Sonic Differences Between Amplifiers - FTF 08:36:56 10/10/05 (6)

Re: Julian Hirsch And Sonic Differences Between Amplifiers - profbrookes 08:47:50 10/10/05 (5)

Re: Julian Hirsch And Sonic Differences Between Amplifiers - FTF 08:53:28 10/10/05 (4)

Re: Julian Hirsch And Sonic Differences Between Amplifiers - ahendler 11:11:38 10/10/05 (0)

Re: Julian Hirsch And Sonic Differences Between Amplifiers - profbrookes 09:04:17 10/10/05 (2)

Re: Julian Hirsch And Sonic Differences Between Amplifiers - FTF 09:09:52 10/10/05 (1)

Re: Julian Hirsch And Sonic Differences Between Amplifiers - Ozzie 08:17:22 10/17/05 (0)

Sure, I sometimes use tone controls. - Pat D 06:35:39 10/10/05 (2)

I thought "Tilt" was a pinball machine control...(nt) - mkuller 14:48:48 10/10/05 (1)

I bow to your expertise on that. I wouldn't know. (nt) - Pat D 15:54:50 10/10/05 (0)

Re: Julian Hirsch And Sonic Differences Between Amplifiers - morricab 04:03:17 10/10/05 (15)

Please! - Don T 12:42:24 10/10/05 (13)

Re: Please! - morricab 01:47:53 10/11/05 (6)

Re: Please! - Don T 12:29:14 10/12/05 (0)

What's wrong with you? - Don T 06:21:04 10/11/05 (4)

Re: What's wrong with you? - morricab 07:29:07 10/11/05 (3)

Re: What's wrong with you? - Don T 13:52:34 10/11/05 (2)

Re: What's wrong with you? - morricab 00:26:35 10/12/05 (1)

ok - Don T 08:05:16 10/12/05 (0)

Now wait just a minute... - mkuller 14:52:08 10/10/05 (5)

That's not what he said - Don T 21:16:56 10/10/05 (4)

Ok, let's hear your explanation... - mkuller 10:03:41 10/11/05 (1)

Re: Ok, let's hear your explanation... - Don T 22:02:22 10/11/05 (0)

Geez! - Don T 14:03:05 10/11/05 (0)

Re: That's not what he said - morricab 01:34:33 10/11/05 (1)

Again that's not what you said. - Don T 06:04:31 10/11/05 (0)

Good points and very valid, BUT... - Sean 07:06:35 10/10/05 (0)

A different perspective... - ad010685 23:19:45 10/9/05 (0)

Re: Julian Hirsch And Sonic Differences Between Amplifiers - RGA 23:11:35 10/9/05 (49)

If you have perfect speakers and a perfect room and - FTF 05:52:37 10/10/05 (2)

Actually, you shouldn't have to correct for the Fletcher-Munsen curve..... - JimL 09:05:35 10/10/05 (1)

All recordings have an optimum playback level - FTF 09:11:45 10/10/05 (0)

Re: Julian Hirsch And Sonic Differences Between Amplifiers - Soundmind 04:57:44 10/10/05 (45)

Re: Julian Hirsch And Sonic Differences Between Amplifiers - ahendler 05:29:33 10/10/05 (44)

Re: Julian Hirsch And Sonic Differences Between Amplifiers - Soundmind 05:41:18 10/10/05 (43)

I can sincerely say that the day I introduced a digital EQ.... - ad010685 06:56:45 10/10/05 (0)

"And if for some reason the final result isn't flat but too shrill ..." What? - bjh 06:16:00 10/10/05 (41)

Re: "And if for some reason the final result isn't flat but too shrill ..." What? - Soundmind 07:03:48 10/10/05 (40)

You sound more like a - bjh 07:27:14 10/10/05 (39)

Re: You sound more like a - Soundmind 08:04:53 10/10/05 (38)

This is a non-argument. Both are saying many things affect the sound we hear - Norm 08:23:15 10/10/05 (1)

Re: This is a non-argument. Both are saying many things affect the sound we hear - Soundmind 10:56:35 10/10/05 (0)

Oh the "I'm the big bad engineer response", oh my, my ... - bjh 08:22:03 10/10/05 (35)

Re: Oh the "I'm the big bad engineer response", oh my, my ... - morricab 12:50:37 10/10/05 (4)

I wouldn't use that paper.. - jneutron 13:21:14 10/10/05 (3)

Re: I wouldn't use that paper.. - morricab 01:50:47 10/11/05 (1)

Look at the lower post for my answer..nt - jneutron 06:24:54 10/11/05 (0)

Re: I wouldn't use that paper.. - morricab 01:49:46 10/11/05 (0)

Re: Oh the "I'm the big bad engineer response", oh my, my ... - Soundmind 10:50:31 10/10/05 (29)

Thanks for that, thus ... - bjh 12:01:02 10/10/05 (28)

Soundmind is right. - Pat D 08:32:34 10/12/05 (2)

Sure phono leads CAN be a factor. E.g. ... - bjh 12:26:41 10/12/05 (1)

Reading comprehension - Pat D 05:57:14 10/13/05 (0)

There is the electrical engineer's view that a cable is an LCR network, and then there are audiphile fantasies - Soundmind 12:09:17 10/10/05 (24)

Re: There is the electrical engineer's view that a cable is an LCR network, and then there are audiphile fantasies - morricab 12:52:51 10/10/05 (21)

Re: There is the electrical engineer's view that a cable is an LCR network, and then there are audiphile fantasies - jneutron 13:19:35 10/10/05 (20)

Re: There is the electrical engineer's view that a cable is an LCR network, and then there are audiphile fantasies - morricab 04:55:32 10/11/05 (19)

Hmmm.. - jneutron 06:23:28 10/11/05 (18)

Re: Hmmm.. - morricab 07:47:12 10/11/05 (1)

Re: Hmmm.. - jneutron 08:37:02 10/11/05 (0)

The arguement seems irrelavent - Soundmind 07:31:41 10/11/05 (15)

Your argument is nothing ... - bjh 09:59:26 10/11/05 (7)

You sound like you are in group II, the suckers who have wasted their money and cat admit it even to themselves - Soundmind 11:54:25 10/11/05 (6)

BTW, re: DBT ... - bjh 12:51:13 10/11/05 (2)

Re: BTW, re: DBT ... - Soundmind 13:03:21 10/11/05 (1)

Try to stay on topic! - bjh 13:28:47 10/11/05 (0)

Sad! ... - bjh 12:18:31 10/11/05 (2)

Re: Sad! ... - Soundmind 13:15:55 10/11/05 (1)

Look I'm not going - bjh 13:35:41 10/11/05 (0)

perhaps.. - jneutron 08:48:29 10/11/05 (6)

Re: perhaps.. - Soundmind 12:05:16 10/11/05 (5)

wow.. - jneutron 13:10:21 10/11/05 (4)

I am astonished at the waste of time and energy on "imagaing" when sound systems do everything else so badly - Soundmind 14:19:17 10/11/05 (3)

Re: I am astonished at the waste of time and energy on "imagaing" when sound systems do everything else so badly - kerr 10:48:11 10/12/05 (0)

hmm.. - jneutron 06:36:07 10/12/05 (1)

If you wish to continue, start a new post..this right side is killin me.nt - jneutron 09:55:28 10/12/05 (0)

Yeh! and to judge this thread there are sloppy engineers and good ones. A good one ... - bjh 12:15:48 10/10/05 (1)

Re: Yeh! and to judge this thread there are sloppy engineers and good ones. A good one ... - Soundmind 12:33:09 10/10/05 (0)

If tone controls could be used to 'equalize' the sound of - bjh 22:04:30 10/9/05 (28)

I disagree - Soundmind 07:08:22 10/10/05 (27)

Re: I disagree - morricab 13:12:37 10/10/05 (25)

Re: I disagree - Soundmind 15:54:53 10/10/05 (24)

BTW morricab - Soundmind 16:02:09 10/10/05 (23)

Re: BTW morricab - morricab 02:03:36 10/11/05 (22)

Where did you get your electrical engineering degree? - Soundmind 05:46:46 10/11/05 (21)

Re: Where did you get your electrical engineering degree? - Inmate51 16:21:03 10/11/05 (1)

Re: Where did you get your electrical engineering degree? - Soundmind 17:48:04 10/11/05 (0)

Re: Where did you get your electrical engineering degree? - morricab 09:14:11 10/11/05 (18)

Re: Where did you get your electrical engineering degree? - Pat D 05:39:29 10/13/05 (0)

What are you somking? - Soundmind 12:55:18 10/11/05 (16)

Re: What are you somking? - morricab 02:02:28 10/12/05 (4)

Re: What are you somking? - Soundmind 04:58:52 10/12/05 (3)

Re: What are you somking? - morricab 06:53:12 10/12/05 (2)

Re: What are you somking? - Soundmind 07:15:10 10/12/05 (1)

Re: What are you somking? - morricab 08:45:30 10/12/05 (0)

I'm sorry, but this is hilarious - E-Stat 19:31:51 10/11/05 (6)

Re: I'm sorry, but this is hilarious - Soundmind 05:28:16 10/12/05 (1)

Surprisinging tame response for you - good! - E-Stat 15:10:36 10/12/05 (0)

Re: I'm sorry, but this is hilarious - Soundmind 20:26:34 10/11/05 (3)

Re: I'm sorry, but this is hilarious - morricab 00:56:56 10/12/05 (2)

Re: I'm sorry, but this is hilarious - Soundmind 05:03:06 10/12/05 (1)

Re: I'm sorry, but this is hilarious - morricab 07:32:07 10/12/05 (0)

".... I would buy on specifications alone if the price were right and I needed one." ... - bjh 13:05:54 10/11/05 (3)

Re: ".... I would buy on specifications alone if the price were right and I needed one." ... - Soundmind 14:34:49 10/11/05 (2)

Re: ".... I would buy on specifications alone if the price were right and I needed one." ... - morricab 01:00:27 10/12/05 (0)

LOL! Even well designed SS amplifers - bjh 18:10:24 10/11/05 (0)

Look if I understand properly, - bjh 07:45:30 10/10/05 (0)

Re: Julian Hirsch was correct - FTF 21:51:21 10/9/05 (5)

Re: Julian Hirsch was correct - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 09:02:20 10/10/05 (4)

IRONY - FTF 09:16:32 10/10/05 (3)

Eh? You really don't understand irony do you? - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 09:32:35 10/11/05 (2)

I learn quick - FTF 15:47:09 10/11/05 (1)

Yep, quick as a snail towing caravan with a flat tyre. [nt] - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 09:29:54 10/12/05 (0)

I'd admit to it... - Wellfed 21:50:07 10/9/05 (0)

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Tone Controls on most audio components are useless. - Tony Montana 10/10/0515:33:43 10/10/05 (0)