It's pretentious of me to say OUR hobby since a lot of people aren't into what I'm into. But I've been an audiophile since I was 13 years old in 1962. I remember when Stereo was a big deal and when people first starting getting into component systems instead of all-in-one consoles that looked like overgrown coffee tables. I remember McIntosh and Marantz when the founders were alive and tubin' away. Good audio was always expensive but expensive meant about $600 in 1962. That was what our first system cost. That's about $4200 in today's dollars according to an inflation calculator I checked. Now if you wanted top of the line stuff - Marantz, big Bozak speakers etc., it would cost about $1500-$2000 or $6K - $8K in today's dollars. And this was heavy, largely handbuilt tube stuff lovingly designed by audio pioneers. So where do they get off selling $100,000 sculptures for preamps or $200,000 sculptures for speakers. I refuse to believe this stuff is worth the money and at these price points you aren't designing for sound quality but for image and cachet and the designs might not sound as good as a lot of stuff at 1/50 the price, frankly, because the people who design it have degrees in marketing or industrial design rather than physics or engineering like Kloss, Villchur, Klipsch, Walker, et al.Okay enough grousing. I would like to see good components become popular once again. It can't happen at the $50,000 price point. But it's not just a matter of reasonable pricing. It has to become cool to listen to stereos again. People think the Ipod and the computer and home theater have put an end to stereo but they underestimate the power of well-reproduced music. But you aren't going to get people to buy finely crafted components to listen to rap music either. we need to bring back the culture of classical music and other acoustic styles but especially classical, because that really needs a good system more than jazz or folky stuff. Last but certainly not least, there is the online and big box competition that takes all the fun out of shopping for audio. How can we make audio salons for non-rich people profitable again? It's a real brain teaser but I refuse to believe it's impossible. Somehow the stores have to create cachet. And the goddam manufacturers have to support them. I used to be in the book trade and the publishers at a certain point told the independent stores to go fk themselves, that they were going to offer deep discounts to the chains, and it put most independents out of business. I don't know what goes on in audio, but I used to fantasize about having a store and now I know it can't happen and it kind of makes me sad (I wouldn't want a store that sold $20,000 speakers to trust fund brats anyway.)
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Topic - Can anything be done to save our hobby? - Peter 19:39:42 01/13/11 (102)
- Sorry to burst your bubble - Gag Halfrunt 19:07:48 01/14/11 (1)
- RE: Sorry to burst your bubble and - Vic D 10:17:39 01/15/11 (0)
- here is an example of exactly what you are talking about - jimmyjames 13:29:51 01/14/11 (0)
- RE: Can anything be done to save our hobby? - Bob Neill 12:16:35 01/14/11 (7)
- Apologies to Bob - David Aiken 12:45:50 01/15/11 (0)
- "…our hobby…" - David Aiken 18:42:44 01/14/11 (2)
- RE: Excellent post *2 nt - theaudiohobby 11:44:17 01/15/11 (0)
- Excellent Post (nt) - josh358 10:58:58 01/15/11 (0)
- New cars have to meet tighter crash, smog and fuel economy standards. - 4season 14:04:21 01/14/11 (0)
- RE: Can anything be done to save our hobby? - chocolate_lover9999@yahoo.com 13:22:40 01/14/11 (1)
- RE: Can anything be done to save our hobby? - Bob Neill 13:31:56 01/14/11 (0)
- Looking at pictures and fantasizing owning it a hobby? - Don Till 11:24:03 01/14/11 (0)
- Our hobby is dead... - mkuller 10:58:57 01/14/11 (0)
- From what and for whom? And why? - AbeCollins 10:40:36 01/14/11 (0)
- The "hobby" needs no saving, but the audio business plan has changed - JoshT 10:39:04 01/14/11 (1)
- most in 70s and 80s was not a hobby... - haugenmarka@hotmail.com 11:22:31 01/14/11 (0)
- Good rant. My thoughts, exactly. - MMasztal 08:10:16 01/14/11 (1)
- RE: Good rant. My thoughts, exactly. - DrChaos 09:24:13 01/14/11 (0)
- No - Peter Gunn 07:57:35 01/14/11 (9)
- RE: No - Doc B. 10:39:49 01/14/11 (0)
- "but there must have been some outrageously priced gear then as well."... - MMasztal 08:13:16 01/14/11 (7)
- NO!!! back in the 60's, 70's i could buy a system and know I had some of the best stuff made, then in the 80': - Elizabeth 22:12:19 01/14/11 (0)
- true, and.... - haugenmarka@hotmail.com 20:26:24 01/20/11 (0)
- RE: "but there must have been some outrageously priced gear then as well."... - Peter Gunn 10:50:17 01/14/11 (2)
- I think you missed my point... - MMasztal 11:20:54 01/14/11 (1)
- RE: I think you missed my point... - Peter Gunn 12:00:42 01/14/11 (0)
- RE: "but there must have been some outrageously priced gear then as well."... - morricab 09:44:02 01/14/11 (2)
- RE: "but there must have been some outrageously priced gear then as well."... - Tony Lauck 13:54:00 01/14/11 (0)
- "horribly expensive"?? Not really. You couldn't buy a house for... - MMasztal 09:48:11 01/14/11 (0)
- RE: Can anything be done to save our hobby? - 3db 07:56:50 01/14/11 (1)
- Another example of a rip-off - 3db 08:19:20 01/14/11 (0)
- If You Were 13 Today... - AudioDwebe 07:54:07 01/14/11 (3)
- RE: If You Were 13 Today... - Todd Krieger 18:17:55 01/14/11 (0)
- Makes a lot of sense. - AbeCollins 10:21:08 01/14/11 (1)
- RE: Makes a lot of sense. - AudioDwebe 13:41:23 01/14/11 (0)
- "Our hobby" IS being saved. Hallelujah! - samtellig 07:47:39 01/14/11 (13)
- But there is no place to hear it ... - reelsmith. 08:51:58 01/14/11 (6)
- That's good because auditioning is likely to lead to a mistake. - samtellig 10:06:05 01/14/11 (0)
- college & music - DrChaos 09:13:38 01/14/11 (2)
- To each their own ... - reelsmith. 09:29:50 01/14/11 (1)
- RE: To each their own ... - three_sox 16:01:48 01/14/11 (0)
- I went to UMass-Amherst back starting 1973... - MMasztal 09:03:23 01/14/11 (1)
- Those were fun times ... - reelsmith. 09:19:41 01/14/11 (0)
- But how much well recorded, good music is there for adults - Paully 07:54:31 01/14/11 (5)
- Lots of classical still. Much of it superbly recorded.(nt) - samtellig 09:53:30 01/14/11 (4)
- RE: Lots of classical still. Much of it superbly recorded.(nt) - DrChaos 10:40:45 01/14/11 (3)
- RE: Lots of classical still. Much of it superbly recorded.(nt) - Tony Lauck 13:43:46 01/14/11 (2)
- RE: Lots of classical still. Much of it superbly recorded.(nt) - DrChaos 13:50:14 01/14/11 (1)
- RE: Lots of classical still. Much of it superbly recorded.(nt) - Tony Lauck 14:06:11 01/14/11 (0)
- RE: Can anything be done to save our hobby? - robert.gaboury@videotron.ca 07:07:11 01/14/11 (0)
- RE: Can anything be done to save our hobby? - tmsorosk 05:54:41 01/14/11 (0)
- Sure, buy new equipment frequently - morricab 03:19:02 01/14/11 (0)
- get new people interested somehow... - haugenmarka@hotmail.com 00:24:02 01/14/11 (9)
- RE: get new people interested somehow... - macmagman 10:18:25 01/14/11 (1)
- hey, its a great start!... - haugenmarka@hotmail.com 11:15:39 01/14/11 (0)
- Cool! Always wanted to be a 0% er - henrybasstardo 02:44:19 01/14/11 (2)
- I think that's a fantastic idea! (nt) - Presto 12:12:53 01/14/11 (0)
- RE: Cool! Always wanted to be a 0% er - haugenmarka@hotmail.com 11:11:42 01/14/11 (0)
- MP3 sizzle.... - haugenmarka@hotmail.com 00:32:45 01/14/11 (3)
- RE: MP3 sizzle.... - Todd Krieger 02:01:17 01/14/11 (2)
- RE: MP3 sizzle.... - haugenmarka@hotmail.com 11:06:02 01/14/11 (1)
- RE: MP3 sizzle.... - Todd Krieger 17:43:29 01/14/11 (0)
- Super-expensive equipment draws too much attention - Frihed89 23:43:19 01/13/11 (3)
- a much better one for $20,000 that will sound far better than anything around back in the 60s. - blakey 15:31:29 01/14/11 (0)
- "Stereophile" is like "Car and Driver"........... - Todd Krieger 00:08:23 01/14/11 (1)
- Both are magazines. Exotic is not affordable. -nt - soulfood 04:07:50 01/14/11 (0)
- RE: Can anything be done to save our hobby? - IEaudiodude 22:23:16 01/13/11 (0)
- RE: Can anything be done to save our hobby? - Eric B 21:57:33 01/13/11 (0)
- Save??? From what? .... - three_sox 21:28:55 01/13/11 (11)
- Nothing to save.. - esande 22:07:54 01/13/11 (10)
- RE: Nothing to save.. - Todd Krieger 02:21:33 01/14/11 (5)
- RE: Nothing to save.. - henrybasstardo 02:48:44 01/14/11 (4)
- RE: Nothing to save.. - Todd Krieger 17:59:36 01/14/11 (1)
- I can't say... - esande 20:54:23 01/14/11 (0)
- Afrocubism (nt) - esande 16:38:43 01/14/11 (0)
- Jorma Kaukonen's last 2 CD's - MaggiesAndCats 11:29:35 01/14/11 (0)
- RE: Nothing to save.. - three_sox 22:30:26 01/13/11 (3)
- RE: Nothing to save.. - Todd Krieger 02:23:50 01/14/11 (1)
- Kool ... - three_sox 03:05:30 01/14/11 (0)
- RE: Nothing to save.. - IEaudiodude 23:08:52 01/13/11 (0)
- I agree, and so apparently does John Curl. - jihad 21:11:42 01/13/11 (8)
- RE: I agree, and so apparently does John Curl. - geoffkait 06:49:48 01/14/11 (0)
- Do you agree that the term "affordable High-End" is an oxymoron? -nt - soulfood 05:21:27 01/14/11 (6)
- No, but I doubt we'll agree on what constitutes "high end". - jihad 06:30:10 01/14/11 (5)
- Perhaps not. Whom do you think would? -nt - soulfood 07:28:53 01/14/11 (4)
- I think that most people would have their own definition. - jihad 07:39:13 01/14/11 (3)
- That does muddy things up quite a bit. - soulfood 10:40:34 01/14/11 (2)
- Not really. - jihad 11:19:09 01/14/11 (1)
- I get it. CES 2011 is the first time you really noticed the High-End. -nt - soulfood 13:02:51 01/14/11 (0)
- You have a good memory. - Vic D 21:09:07 01/13/11 (3)
- Yes, but if you'll recall... - Peter Gunn 06:56:59 01/14/11 (0)
- RE: You have a good memory. - Todd Krieger 22:06:15 01/13/11 (1)
- Peter & Todd I think I mentioned current intrest in both tubes & LP's - Vic D 12:53:14 01/14/11 (0)
- RE: Can anything be done to save our hobby? - soulfood 20:30:39 01/13/11 (1)
- RE: Can anything be done to save our hobby? - henrybasstardo 20:50:57 01/13/11 (0)
- RE: Can anything be done to save our hobby? - henrybasstardo 20:23:56 01/13/11 (3)
- Are we talking about $300 receivers/$200 speakers or "the high end" audio/audiophiles. - jihad 21:15:56 01/13/11 (2)
- RE: Are we talking about $300 receivers/$200 speakers or "the high end" audio/audiophiles. - henrybasstardo 02:28:21 01/14/11 (1)
- Not quite, - jihad 06:29:09 01/14/11 (0)
- RE: Can anything be done to save our hobby? - esande 20:15:53 01/13/11 (0)
- RE: Can anything be done to save our hobby? - Todd Krieger 20:15:26 01/13/11 (2)
- RE: Can anything be done to save our hobby? - henrybasstardo 21:07:19 01/13/11 (1)
- It's Not Individual Recordings......... - Todd Krieger 21:59:32 01/13/11 (0)