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In Reply to: RE: Ok..but look out for the "bad news" posted by morricab on October 2, 2007 at 01:28:21:
"If that is the kind of music that thrills you then why bother with hifi at all and stick with an ipod."
Thrills me indeed!
What's worse, recently I've been listening to the various MTV satellite stations through an Arcam AVR-350 receiver and dance tracks in particular are beyond thrilling - in fact they're positively orgasmic!
Of course I DAREN'T listen to such evil through the SET system as the artists in question are still alive and not signed up to Chesky, Audioquest, Mapleshade, MFSL etc....etc.....
The link you provide says nothing which hasn't been common knowledge for years and the only surprise is that the author himself seems genuinely surprised at the compression involved in 'pop' music which has to be mixed to promote itself via a car radio, or nowadays an iPod.
The author does state that the Jennifer Lopez track is "typical of many new pop music releases" and isn't typical of all, but even compressed music can sound 'dynamic and crisp' despite the compression, or perhaps I should say 'punchy' and 'up front' in case anyone should believe I'm trying to create new definitions, although a quick reference to any dictionary might just give a wider meaning to 'dynamic' than the blinkered aspect of some individuals.
Best Regards,
Chris redmond.
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Follow Ups Full ThreadTopic - Clearest explanation yet, of the vanishing market for high-end. Read it and weep. - clarkjohnsen 11:35:12 09/28/07 (136)
- RE:And yet - Dr. S 21:58:24 09/29/07 (1)
- So be that way. nt - clarkjohnsen 12:45:51 09/30/07 (0)
- Mag subs are an indication of a business sector health? - cdb 18:04:46 09/29/07 (0)
- Hi-end audio is WAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYY too difficult for the average person to bother with - chuck55 12:12:00 09/29/07 (5)
- Different than sports cars - Porsche vs Ferrari? - mkuller 13:10:10 09/29/07 (2)
- Yes because sound is invisible - chuck55 13:50:10 09/29/07 (1)
- It's just a question of priorities - what you want to spend your $ on...(nt) - mkuller 16:48:11 09/29/07 (0)
- "No such thing as right or wrong." Wrong! There's polarity. nt - clarkjohnsen 12:16:22 09/29/07 (1)
- Hey, that's a start! (nt) - chuck55 13:51:32 09/29/07 (0)
- RE: How about this? - Dr. S 08:23:43 09/29/07 (15)
- "Put more than ONE DAMN chair in your listening room." I've always had six or so. - clarkjohnsen 09:24:57 09/29/07 (3)
- RE: I am bent? Wow, coming from you - Dr. S 14:14:44 09/29/07 (2)
- "I am bent?" "Go ahead and whine Clark." Never said the former, and... - clarkjohnsen 12:43:11 09/30/07 (1)
- RE: Because I object to this constant doom and gloom, I am bent? - Dr. S 21:35:00 09/30/07 (0)
- Ok..but look out for the "bad news" - ontrack2@gmail.com 08:43:59 09/29/07 (10)
- RE: Hey, they used to mix for AM radio - Dr. S 14:15:53 09/29/07 (0)
- RE: Ok..but look out for the "bad news" - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 09:31:25 09/29/07 (8)
- RE: Ok..but look out for the "bad news" - morricab 01:28:21 10/2/07 (1)
- RE: Ok..but look out for the "bad news" - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 10/2/0709:54:41 10/2/07 (0)
- RE: Wow, we agree - Dr. S 14:16:55 09/29/07 (1)
- If it happens again we'll have to arrange a group hug! :0) [nt] - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 05:48:06 09/30/07 (0)
- Motown test, ja, - ontrack2@gmail.com 10:10:23 09/29/07 (3)
- I have a UK pressing of the Supremes that is simply... supreme! nt - clarkjohnsen 12:09:11 09/29/07 (2)
- RE: I have a UK pressing of the Supremes that is simply... supreme! nt - ontrack2@gmail.com 12:32:45 09/29/07 (1)
- It can go pretty much either way. nt - clarkjohnsen 13:46:31 09/29/07 (0)
- Yeah, so what's your point? You're mixing apples with oranges! - Raiderman 00:59:01 09/29/07 (2)
- The point was about decreasing *hobbyist* interest, audio and video. nt - clarkjohnsen 07:21:41 09/29/07 (0)
- High End and Home Theater - rico 04:44:20 09/29/07 (0)
- I totally disgree - Frihed89 23:43:29 09/28/07 (1)
- Would you were right. But I'd say, digitization is weakening high-end audio. nt - clarkjohnsen 07:19:30 09/29/07 (0)
- I'll Say It Again..... - Todd Krieger 19:52:06 09/28/07 (25)
- I think you are missing the reality of the times.... This is a paradigm shift - tubesforever 13:43:27 09/29/07 (1)
- Home Theater...... Digital Audio's One Bright Spot........ - Todd Krieger 14:28:13 09/29/07 (0)
- RE: I'll Say It Again..... - TS 09:53:51 09/29/07 (1)
- "You can listen to music almost anywhere." Yep. Even in the elevator... nt - clarkjohnsen 12:17:47 09/29/07 (0)
- "The digitization of audio has made people less-interested in music." And for confirmation: - clarkjohnsen 07:58:40 09/29/07 (2)
- Only Partially Agree with the Article...... - Todd Krieger 09:07:14 09/29/07 (1)
- "this could be the first digital source that crosses the threshold of conveying the analog message." Hmm... - clarkjohnsen 09:28:04 09/29/07 (0)
- Ahhhhhhhhhhhh...baloney... - musetap 23:19:44 09/28/07 (13)
- RE: Ahhhhhhhhhhhh...baloney... - Todd Krieger 00:13:19 09/29/07 (12)
- RE: Ahhhhhhhhhhhh...baloney... - suretyguy 10:22:51 09/29/07 (0)
- RE: Ahhhhhhhhhhhh...baloney... - theaudiohobby 02:40:06 09/29/07 (10)
- We Should Disregard Great Music??? - Todd Krieger 08:14:58 09/29/07 (7)
- RE: We Should Disregard Great Music??? - theaudiohobby 15:17:25 09/29/07 (0)
- John Atkinson once wrote that today's pop music has a sell-by date. - clarkjohnsen 12:11:44 09/29/07 (5)
- RE: Really - Dr. S 22:01:16 09/29/07 (3)
- RE: Really - morricab 01:41:47 10/2/07 (0)
- Now you're just being silly. Are you ill? nt - clarkjohnsen 12:46:41 09/30/07 (1)
- RE: I am not sure I can have a civil exchange ... - Dr. S 15:11:53 09/30/07 (0)
- ALL pop music has a sell-by date. Play an Edison disc for proof!...N/T - musetap 12:32:10 09/29/07 (0)
- "it is pure nostalgia" Actually, it is less than that... - SE 06:47:08 09/29/07 (1)
- Yup...... - Todd Krieger 08:41:00 09/29/07 (0)
- RE: I'll Say It Again.....(Long response) - John N 20:16:50 09/28/07 (3)
- Many excellent points, especially... - clarkjohnsen 07:55:30 09/29/07 (0)
- RE: I'll Say It Again.....(Long response) - Olde Bulldogge 20:57:35 09/28/07 (1)
- RE: I'll Say It Again.....(Long response) - suretyguy 10:03:44 09/29/07 (0)
- Break this down - mt10425 18:50:30 09/28/07 (5)
- RE: Break this down - unclestu52 19:43:31 09/28/07 (4)
- RE: Break this down - Todd Krieger 14:59:25 09/29/07 (0)
- "most have a mere handful of recordings." - musetap 23:24:01 09/28/07 (2)
- Hate to say it - unclestu52 23:33:40 09/28/07 (1)
- RE: Hate to say it - musetap 12:29:08 09/29/07 (0)
- I could never figure out where Tweeter was coming from. - Dave Pogue 16:42:07 09/28/07 (2)
- I've Heard of "Tweeter", But..... - Todd Krieger 20:03:44 09/28/07 (1)
- RE:Interesting - Travis 13:26:44 09/29/07 (0)
- Hobbies - RonPil 15:29:49 09/28/07 (0)
- Somethings left out of the article, are the overall decline in jobs & the falling value of the dollar. - gme109 14:49:46 09/28/07 (2)
- Economic Hard Times in the Past Was Never Such a Hindrance....... - Todd Krieger 23:33:26 09/28/07 (0)
- couldn't agree more... - coffeequeen 15:43:02 09/28/07 (0)
- Since yours is a double posting... - tlyyra 13:21:54 09/28/07 (30)
- RE: Actually, subjective audio journalism arose in the vacuum - Dr. S 08:34:06 09/29/07 (3)
- RE: Actually, subjective audio journalism arose in the vacuum - tlyyra 05:32:56 09/30/07 (1)
- RE: I think you've missed the main point here. - Dr. S 12:09:44 09/30/07 (0)
- And let's never forget what a radical departure JGH's "Tested in the Home" was, from tested on the bench. nt - clarkjohnsen 12:15:14 09/29/07 (0)
- Nah.... - Sordidman 17:51:45 09/28/07 (0)
- RE: Since yours is a double posting... - andy19191 15:37:20 09/28/07 (2)
- RE: Since yours is a double posting... - tlyyra 05:46:07 09/30/07 (0)
- How do you sell valve MP3 hardware to audiophiles? - E-Stat 09:36:05 09/29/07 (0)
- I find that reasoning unsupportable. - John Marks 14:24:06 09/28/07 (10)
- Nero Fiddles as Rome Burns - Dan Banquer 05:27:51 10/1/07 (0)
- RE: I find that reasoning unsupportable. - tlyyra 06:04:47 09/30/07 (0)
- Petula Clark: "Down scale, everyone's going DOWN SCALE..." nt - clarkjohnsen 12:25:21 09/29/07 (0)
- Astute observation- I agree NT - lancelot 07:05:20 09/29/07 (0)
- RE: I find that reasoning unsupportable. - andy19191 16:00:29 09/28/07 (2)
- Petula - John Marks 09:26:18 09/29/07 (1)
- "Audio started out as the publication of the Audio Engineering Society." Not really. - clarkjohnsen 12:23:54 09/29/07 (0)
- I find your support unreasonable - Richard BassNut Greene 15:09:47 09/28/07 (2)
- Some interesting observations, but... - robert young 18:01:39 09/28/07 (1)
- You're saying, essentially, to most people a picture is worth a thousand notes. [Sigh] nt - clarkjohnsen 07:43:34 09/29/07 (0)
- RE: Since yours is a double posting... - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 13:42:25 09/28/07 (10)
- RE: Since yours is a double posting... - tlyyra 13:59:45 09/28/07 (9)
- RE: Since yours is a double posting... - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 02:31:18 09/29/07 (5)
- RE: Since yours is a double posting... - tlyyra 06:12:34 09/30/07 (3)
- RE: Since yours is a double posting... - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 08:57:04 09/30/07 (2)
- RE: Since yours is a double posting... - tlyyra 09:31:25 09/30/07 (1)
- RE: Since yours is a double posting... - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 10:05:27 10/2/07 (0)
- Indeed. Just look how that woebegone article in Stereo Review denigrating cables is still referenced. nt - clarkjohnsen 07:39:59 09/29/07 (0)
- Where does it come from? - QuadTodd 18:50:38 09/28/07 (1)
- Not to neglect the naysayers on the net -- as in, right here! nt - clarkjohnsen 07:38:24 09/29/07 (0)
- Oh, you mean Stereophile then? -t - Sordidman 17:49:09 09/28/07 (0)
- If that's true... - Jim Smith 13:20:22 09/28/07 (5)
- RE: If that's true... - theaudiohobby 02:42:10 09/29/07 (2)
- RE: If that's true... - morricab 01:50:35 10/2/07 (1)
- RE: If that's true... - theaudiohobby 09:03:06 10/4/07 (0)
- RE: If that's true... - alan m. kafton 17:03:45 09/28/07 (1)
- It's not that gloom prevails everywhere! nt - clarkjohnsen 07:36:53 09/29/07 (0)
- We need another article to explain it? - mkuller 13:15:10 09/28/07 (1)
- "Companies that haven't changed with it will cease to exist." - musetap 13:41:14 09/28/07 (0)
- RE: Clearest explanation yet, of the vanishing market for high-end. Read it and weep. - rico 12:50:34 09/28/07 (1)
- Natural Sound was always good to me, too. nt - clarkjohnsen 07:35:41 09/29/07 (0)
- RE: Clearest explanation yet, of the vanishing market for high-end. Read it and weep. - Awe-d-o-file 12:35:50 09/28/07 (1)
- "They don't know better." Wasn't that the very point? - clarkjohnsen 07:34:43 09/29/07 (0)
- RE: Clearest explanation yet, of the vanishing market for high-end. Read it and weep. - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 12:35:48 09/28/07 (4)
- "Hunted down by iPod wearing hoodies" who'll be chanting from articles in the AES Journal proving... - clarkjohnsen 08:03:43 09/29/07 (1)
- Being that you are a lifetime - unclestu52 20:43:30 09/29/07 (0)
- RE: properly cleaned and gutted - LousyTourist 13:49:30 09/28/07 (1)
- RE: The Japanese fresh water eel, Unagi - Dr. S 08:36:48 09/29/07 (0)
- several thoughts - musiclistener 12:32:02 09/28/07 (2)
- Several More Thoughts - Bob Neill 14:26:32 09/28/07 (1)
- "Half of what an economy car sells for." Hmm... in 1938 the world-beater Carnegie Phonograph sold for $5000... - clarkjohnsen 07:27:21 09/29/07 (0)
- RE: Clearest explanation yet, of the vanishing market for high-end. Read it and weep. - sailor321 12:11:31 09/28/07 (1)
- RE: Clearest explanation yet, of the vanishing market for high-end. Read it and weep. - Abe 12:24:11 09/28/07 (0)
- I'm not so sure the explanations metioned, are good examples of a vanishing market. - gme109 12:06:50 09/28/07 (13)
- our culture changed... - jdouglas51 13:06:30 09/28/07 (1)
- RE: our culture changed... - andy19191 16:14:30 09/28/07 (0)
- The main point is that oldtime hobbyist interest is way down. nt - clarkjohnsen 12:24:55 09/28/07 (7)
- That may be the point, but I'm not convinced it's true. We're all still here, just not accounted for. * - gme109 12:30:45 09/28/07 (6)
- Would it were true; but let's ask JA how he's strived to increase SP circulation, and the results. nt - clarkjohnsen 07:23:26 09/29/07 (0)
- Never doubt the word - unclestu52 12:43:02 09/28/07 (4)
- ask any tube manufacturer.... - TomLarson 12:51:38 09/28/07 (1)
- RE: ask any tube manufacturer.... - unclestu52 13:12:34 09/28/07 (0)
- Dusty from Channel Islands Audio, who mostly sells factory direct, just moved into a new larger facility. - gme109 12:51:22 09/28/07 (1)
- And exceptions still prove rules nt - TomLarson 12:54:13 09/28/07 (0)
- " I'm sure I'm not the only one." You certainly aren't. I hardly ever read a physical audio magazine... - musetap 12:16:00 09/28/07 (2)
- RE: " I'm sure I'm not the only one." You certainly aren't. I hardly ever read a physical audio magazine... - TomLarson 12:56:08 09/28/07 (1)
- RE:"those hobbies look pretty robust". So does ours... - rick_m 11:17:18 09/29/07 (0)
Follow Ups
- RE: Ok..but look out for the "bad news" - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 10/2/0709:54:41 10/2/07 (0)