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Re: Ahh the legend in his own mind TINKERER is back ...

"And I come up with different answers than they do." Sounds just like something Peter would say -- the difference is you merely have theory -- people have to put it into practice -- mirage is great on paper and all the other indirect firng speakers I have ever heard -- but none of them resemble music - no matter how many science (err engineering) papers they write.

"As I have said to the ire of many people here, the only way to judge audio equipment for accuracy is by using well made recordings of acoustical instruments playing serious music which means classical music and jazz and you MUST have listened to a lot of the real thing to have that sound constantly drummed into your head so you know what you are comparing the reproduction to."

But you can;t know how it was recorded -- AN's article on comparison by contrast makes far more sense than what you are proposing. I have access to a variety of instruments and compared live acoustic instruments in the same room with the speakers -- this is not overly hard. One does not need to own them to have access to them. I don't see the relevance of this since what is on the recording "processed" by the recording equipment and created using a two way speaker that no one knows of from another country and then being bought and played in your room is hardly going to be a perfect match.

"Rock won't do it. Neither will 1940s Bing Crosby records. Whether pandering to what he thought the typical show visitor would want to hear, his own preferences, or having something to hide about the real capabilities and limitations of his equipment, his presentation was of no value to me in judging his technology."

I understand why you view rock the way you do -- but there is a different dynamic landscape of sound that some of those recording generate that many speakers cannot get remotely correct that are classed as "beloved" high end loudspeakers (stats for example). And the PROOF of this is that if the Rock recordings were so truly bad and so compressed then they ought to be the easiest things to get bang on right. Not all rock is amplified either. Though yes some speakers are geared for rock and so I can see the opposite argument you make -- if you're buying it for classical then rock is of no help to you. I prefer more ambitious speakers that will do it all.

As for what Peter is listening to - well he seems to listen to pretty much everything -- it is about the music first and he will play "anything" on his equipment and that is also true of the dealers selling it. They can put any recording from any genre without fear -- that is well as you point out not common. The fact that Peter put a 1940 recording of anyone should tell you that. And he did it for reviewers too in the link at bottom from the 1910s.

Next time I'm in NY I'll let you know.

I think your main problem on these boards is that all you can do is complain but you offer no real solution to the problems. Who are you complaining to -- Consumers? I listen live, I listen to what is out there and I make a decision. If you want to blame the manufacturers then go after the manufacturers that have the BIG dollars and the big clout and get THEM to do something or throw your hat into the ring and prove them wrong.

Unfortunately the Bose 901 sounds like a box to me especially when it attempt to hit any sort of midlow note. The thing is a wonky sounding artificial speaker. And well everything gets great reviews including the 901 -- wasn't it Hirsch who said it was the best speaker ever made at the time? It's dynamically inept versus say the K-horn -- and dynamics are so hugely important -- one reason inefficient speakers tend to sound like constipated dreck. Everyone is so concerned with frequency response and for a flute solo that;s all nice and fine but on big brass horns and quiet to loud power passages (crescendos) a speaker needs to have balls...I'll sacrifice some frequency anomolies of a K-Horn anyday for dynamics (micro and macro) than have a flat response but which seems strained. The AN's offered the middle ground.

Soundmind - if you could take a step back and realize that 99.99999% of people live in a practical world where if we want to own a music reproduction system then chances are that is going to be purchased. So you pick the best of what you hear that fits the budget and you're done. Do you see that there is the holier than thou almost impossible ideal you are arguing endlessly over and the reality that is out there now?


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