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In Reply to: Why tubes sound 'bigger' posted by peterh on August 11, 2006 at 15:01:34:
I have an old CJ PV1 preamp (later upgraded to PV2a status) that embodies all the classic characteristics, both good and bad, of older tubed gear. I noticed that when an individual instrument hits a dynamic peak, that instrument's image tended to 'pop' a bit, to momentarily expand and move forward. Before I had CJ rebuild the power supply a few years ago, this effect was rather exaggerated and even comical - think of a cartoon character's eyes popping out when surprised. Since the rebuild and a re-tubing, the image is far more stable, but this experience leads me to think that how dynamic peaks are rendered somehow has an effect on perceived image size.
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Follow Ups Full ThreadTopic - Why tubes sound 'bigger' - peterh 15:01:34 08/11/06 (111)
- Dunno - rocky raccoon 08:24:58 08/14/06 (0)
- Decay and 2nd order harms surely contribute but the design governs it all . . . - mr grits 19:12:28 08/12/06 (0)
- "Embiggerment" factor - Bambi B 01:45:05 08/12/06 (4)
- Re: "Embiggerment" factor - O'Shag 23:36:58 08/12/06 (0)
- "A person using powerful prejudice and general contrarian bloody-mindedness... - musetap 11:29:44 08/12/06 (0)
- Re: "Embiggerment" factor - peterh 11:17:58 08/12/06 (0)
- "A noble spirit embiggens the smallest man" - Paul_A 10:37:08 08/12/06 (0)
- Re: Why tubes sound 'bigger' - Mechans 01:15:12 08/12/06 (0)
- Re: Why tubes sound 'bigger' - Bertie_Livingston 21:50:26 08/11/06 (4)
- Re: Why tubes sound 'bigger' - Ozzie 10:49:24 08/14/06 (1)
- Re: Why tubes sound 'bigger' - Bertie_Livingston 02:29:36 08/15/06 (0)
- Turning your point around ... - peterh 11:01:42 08/12/06 (1)
- Re: Turning your point around ... - Bertie_Livingston 06:35:11 08/13/06 (0)
- Like Class A S.S? - Abel McCain 20:41:28 08/11/06 (0)
- Re: Because they are? n/t - Matts_ 20:09:39 08/11/06 (1)
- Dang!! - Todd Krieger 21:03:27 08/11/06 (0)
- Re: Why tubes sound 'bigger' - Awe-d-o-file 19:31:39 08/11/06 (1)
- what research are you referring to? - peterh 10:57:30 08/12/06 (0)
- If you want to call an upper midrange peak, rolled of highs, muddy peaked upper bass, and reduced low bass 'bigger'.... - Soundmind 17:11:25 08/11/06 (79)
- Not so, brudda... - Jimmy C. 12:23:55 08/12/06 (0)
- Both Tubes and SS from the 60s stank by 2000 standards - Frihed89 10:47:46 08/12/06 (0)
- If you take this post at face value, - markrohr 08:48:12 08/12/06 (0)
- If you want to call thin and brittle, excessive treble energy, grainy midrange and artificial bass "right"...then - RGA 20:45:00 08/11/06 (29)
- I had my hearing checked last year...and it measured just fine - Soundmind 01:00:59 08/12/06 (28)
- What?! I Had Mine Checked Last Month. - Peter Qvortrup 04:23:39 08/18/06 (0)
- Was that with the ear-trumpet in or out? [nt] - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 05:58:02 08/12/06 (3)
- Was your brain checked with Prozac in or out? [nt] - Soundmind 11:08:09 08/12/06 (2)
- Don't drink, don't smoke, don't do ANY drug - how about you? :0) [nt] - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 02:35:20 08/13/06 (0)
- That's not funny... [nt] - Chris Jennings 00:32:27 08/13/06 (0)
- It's funny you have to argue Audio Note every time - RGA 03:13:17 08/12/06 (22)
- It's funny you have to advertise Audio Note every time...who are you trying to convince, us...or yourself? - Soundmind 10:11:55 08/12/06 (21)
- Re: It's funny you have to advertise Audio Note every time...who are you trying to convince, us...or yourself? - RGA 11:40:37 08/12/06 (20)
- Re: It's funny you have to advertise Audio Note every time...who are you trying to convince, us...or yourself? - Soundmind 16:23:46 08/12/06 (19)
- Ahh the legend in his own mind TINKERER is back ... - RGA 21:27:36 08/12/06 (18)
- Direct radiators - Tom Brennan 06:36:24 08/13/06 (0)
- Re: Ahh the legend in his own mind TINKERER is back ... - Soundmind 04:37:13 08/13/06 (15)
- We may have had our differences, but this thread... - Sean 13:42:27 08/13/06 (0)
- BTW, you just restated - E-Stat 09:00:50 08/13/06 (2)
- Re: BTW, you just restated - Soundmind 09:48:30 08/13/06 (1)
- Well, I didn't go out and buy the music - E-Stat 15:43:11 08/13/06 (0)
- Re: Ahh the legend in his own mind TINKERER is back ... - olddude55 08:23:24 08/13/06 (0)
- Re: Ahh the legend in his own mind TINKERER is back ... - RGA 06:00:25 08/13/06 (9)
- Re: Ahh the legend in his own mind TINKERER is back ... - Soundmind 06:30:20 08/13/06 (8)
- Re: Ahh the legend in his own mind TINKERER is back ... - kentaja@yahoo.com 10:55:09 08/13/06 (7)
- Live music is certainly NOT the only reference... - RGA 11:02:16 08/14/06 (1)
- Do you have an altar in your house so you can pray to PQ? - Soundmind 11:10:57 08/14/06 (0)
- Re: Ahh the legend in his own mind TINKERER is back ... - Soundmind 13:12:49 08/13/06 (4)
- Re: Ahh the legend in his own mind TINKERER is back ... - kentaja@yahoo.com 16:33:57 08/13/06 (3)
- OK I'll fess up - unclestu52 12:05:08 08/15/06 (1)
- Going to MIT is meaningless anyway... - RGA 02:07:21 08/16/06 (0)
- Re: Ahh the legend in his own mind TINKERER is back ... - Soundmind 18:56:45 08/13/06 (0)
- Re: Ahh the legend in his own mind TINKERER is back ... - O'Shag 00:08:24 08/13/06 (0)
- Every heard a Nagra VPA ? :) - Pinkus 20:04:36 08/11/06 (8)
- Re: Every heard a Nagra VPA ? :) - Soundmind 01:04:38 08/12/06 (7)
- Meaning, you have not heard it - Pinkus 06:50:04 08/12/06 (6)
- Hey pinkus.. - robert young 16:26:58 08/14/06 (2)
- Re: Hey pinkus.. - jeremy 20:50:19 08/14/06 (1)
- Hi Jeremy, - robert young 05:12:51 08/15/06 (0)
- Re: Meaning, you have not heard it - Soundmind 10:14:27 08/12/06 (2)
- You can save me a lot of money. - Pinkus 14:03:21 08/12/06 (1)
- Re: You can save me a lot of money. - Soundmind 16:10:21 08/12/06 (0)
- Re: If you want to call an upper midrange peak, rolled of highs, muddy peaked upper bass, and reduced low bass 'bigger'. - keldasdad 18:38:41 08/11/06 (19)
- There are souls to save. - markrohr 07:52:30 08/12/06 (0)
- Don't worry about it. - powermatic 23:04:04 08/11/06 (6)
- He's not ashamed, just lazy - E-Stat 07:43:54 08/12/06 (5)
- Re: He's not ashamed, just lazy - Soundmind 09:10:25 08/12/06 (4)
- I remember its feature set well - E-Stat 11:02:36 08/12/06 (0)
- Re: He's not ashamed, just lazy - keldasdad 09:31:52 08/12/06 (2)
- Re: He's not ashamed, just lazy - Soundmind 10:15:46 08/12/06 (1)
- Re: He's not ashamed, just lazy - keldasdad 13:12:14 08/12/06 (0)
- “Why not just enjoy your gear and let it go at that?†- Caymus 20:41:44 08/11/06 (0)
- Re: If you want to call an upper midrange peak, rolled of highs, muddy peaked upper bass, and reduced low bass 'bigger'. - Soundmind 18:51:09 08/11/06 (4)
- Re: If you want to call an upper midrange peak, rolled of highs, muddy peaked upper bass, and reduced low bass 'bigger'. - keldasdad 19:50:41 08/11/06 (2)
- Re: If you want to call an upper midrange peak, rolled of highs, muddy peaked upper bass, and reduced low bass 'bigger'. - Soundmind 00:54:47 08/12/06 (1)
- Re: If you want to call an upper midrange peak, rolled of highs, muddy peaked upper bass, and reduced low bass 'bigger'. - keldasdad 05:05:20 08/12/06 (0)
- Re: If you want to call an upper midrange peak, rolled of highs, muddy peaked upper bass, and reduced low bass 'bigger'. - keldasdad 19:49:13 08/11/06 (0)
- It all makes sense - E-Stat 18:49:25 08/11/06 (4)
- Re: It all makes sense - Pat D 05:29:03 08/12/06 (3)
- I never said it wasn't reliable - E-Stat 07:30:10 08/12/06 (2)
- They seem to sound just as good as they ever did, too. - Pat D 13:25:27 08/13/06 (1)
- I will avoid generalizations - E-Stat 14:42:46 08/13/06 (0)
- antagonism and bash-opinions - your style! - vacuous 18:07:32 08/11/06 (16)
- Re: antagonism and bash-opinions - your style! - Soundmind 18:21:46 08/11/06 (15)
- Ooooh, you went to a show!!!! Well, all is forgiven! - powermatic 23:19:41 08/11/06 (1)
- Re: Ooooh, you went to a show!!!! Well, all is forgiven! - Soundmind 01:13:14 08/12/06 (0)
- What amps have you owned? Any less than 30 years old? - vacuous 19:40:42 08/11/06 (12)
- Doesn't need to. - markrohr 07:56:17 08/12/06 (0)
- Re: What amps have you owned? Any less than 30 years old? - Soundmind 01:34:38 08/12/06 (9)
- You are babbling about tangental issues. Directly answer the posed question, please. - vacuous 01:51:40 08/12/06 (8)
- Reproducing the sound of musical instruments is NOT a tangental issue...it's the ONLY issue - Soundmind 09:19:16 08/12/06 (0)
- I'll help out - E-Stat 08:04:15 08/12/06 (5)
- Re: I'll help out - Soundmind 09:16:22 08/12/06 (4)
- David Hafler's many creations - E-Stat 11:39:32 08/12/06 (2)
- Re: David Hafler's many creations - Soundmind 16:29:06 08/12/06 (1)
- "No purpose to having cleaner sound" - E-Stat 18:22:35 08/12/06 (0)
- Re: I'll help out - Ozzy 11:10:10 08/12/06 (0)
- Hey, he should run for some democratic office..... - Ozzy 04:37:06 08/12/06 (0)
- He never has even owned an amp. All talk, no game. - Norm 20:21:59 08/11/06 (0)
- "bigger in the sense of fleshier"?. That makes good sense! - vacuous 17:10:26 08/11/06 (7)
- its funny, everything you describe.. - BJordan 19:04:07 08/11/06 (2)
- Ok, man, what solid state amps do you suggest? - vacuous 19:48:15 08/11/06 (1)
- Re: Ok, man, what solid state amps do you suggest? - Ted Smith 10:45:38 08/12/06 (0)
- Re: "bigger in the sense of fleshier"?. That makes good sense! - Sean 17:40:29 08/11/06 (3)
- re: Yamaha M-85 - vacuous 18:33:36 08/11/06 (2)
- Re: re: Yamaha M-85 - JANDG 10:43:53 08/12/06 (0)
- Re: re: Yamaha M-85 - Sean 18:45:11 08/11/06 (0)
- My theory - dynamics - LesF 08/11/0617:01:22 08/11/06 (1)
- Re: My theory - dynamics - Paul G. 16:42:04 08/12/06 (0)
- Re: Why tubes sound 'bigger' - Marc Bratton 15:55:30 08/11/06 (0)
- Re: Why tubes sound 'bigger' - Sean 15:35:26 08/11/06 (0)
- Are you sure it wasn't just louder? nt - clifff 15:25:46 08/11/06 (0)
Follow Ups
- My theory - dynamics - LesF 08/11/0617:01:22 08/11/06 (1)
- Re: My theory - dynamics - Paul G. 16:42:04 08/12/06 (0)
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