In Reply to: Do you believe "you get what you pay for" in audio? posted by M3 lover on February 17, 2006 at 13:59:09:
I suspect Mr. Crabbe's chart is nothing more than his personal beliefs put in chart form to look "accurate".It makes more sense to collect data and then come to conclusions ... than it does to chart an audiophile's beliefs.
For audiophiles willing to accept the ridicule of reporting blind listening experiments, the results over three decades consistently support the hypothesis that differences "heard" in sighted auditions are often imagined, or small SPL differences thought to be meaningful sound quality differences.
The results of these experiments don't necessarily apply to the ears of people who did not participate. But for those who did experiment, there was usually a large gap between what was expected (all components sound different) and what was experienced (component differences were usually subtle, or not audible at all while listening to music).
There's no reason to speculate about your own hearing ability when it's so easy to do a single-blind cable-swap audio component comparison at home and find out for yourself!
Audio magazines are in business to make money.
Most of the money they make comes from advertisers.
Advertisers make money by selling equipment.
Advertisers prefer magazines where good things are said about almost every component "tested".
They want customers to believe spending more money gets audible improvements.
That may be generally true for speakers where differences are easily heard, but makes no sense for electronics (and especially wires) where differences are often in the imaginations of the listeners.
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Follow Ups
- Few people want to test their ears to be sure extra money buys audible performance improvements - Richard BassNut Greene 02/17/0614:53:33 02/17/06 (29)
- Diminishing Returns is not an "opinion" - groove 10:04:55 02/19/06 (3)
- Opportunity cost is the economic concept that applies here - Richard BassNut Greene 08:06:58 02/20/06 (2)
- Re: Close - but not quite - groove 12:11:47 02/20/06 (1)
- I'm glad I didn't take your economics class -- I'd still be in college! - Richard BassNut Greene 16:47:00 02/20/06 (0)
- For the life of me I can't understand people who take such constant pleasure in being negative!-NT - lancelot 19:18:23 02/17/06 (7)
- Re: You should try it - it's FUN. Loving to hate is l-o-v-e-l-y * - Guy 03:14:51 02/18/06 (4)
- It's got nothing to do with hate - except towards those who won't join the party. - Don T 08:58:33 02/18/06 (3)
- Re:Just teasing - not a knock on you * - Guy 01:27:42 02/19/06 (2)
- I wasn't teasing but I was agreeing with what I thought you were saying! - Don T 07:32:32 02/19/06 (1)
- Re: Fine, take care. * - Guy 02:15:09 02/20/06 (0)
- What? There's absolutely nothing negative about his comments! - Don T 21:35:29 02/17/06 (1)
- I ask people to question existing beliefs that all components sound different (core belief of the audiophile religion) - Richard BassNut Greene 08:14:15 02/20/06 (0)
- Anyone who can't always hear the difference between a recording and a live performance has already spent too much - Soundmind 17:18:49 02/17/06 (16)
- Too broad a generalization - Feanor 05:44:06 02/18/06 (3)
- You missed my point entirely - Soundmind 06:38:32 02/18/06 (2)
- Re: You missed my point entirely - Velvia film example offers a very good comparison against "accuracy" in audio. nt - M3 lover 08:44:16 02/18/06 (0)
- I concede this only - Feanor 07:08:40 02/18/06 (0)
- So which of the three reasons do you attribute to yourself? - E-Stat 20:53:06 02/17/06 (11)
- Re: So which of the three reasons do you attribute to yourself? - Soundmind 06:22:17 02/18/06 (10)
- Re: Your posts always make me wonder... - Dave-A 13:44:00 02/18/06 (3)
- His system naturally ! - E-Stat 07:52:27 02/19/06 (2)
- Re: No wonder... - Dave-A 09:10:46 02/19/06 (1)
- But the juvenile part of us all... - kerr 16:04:50 02/19/06 (0)
- Speaking out of both sides of your mouth accepted - E-Stat 06:38:34 02/18/06 (5)
- I see you come here out of boredom with AR...Audio Review...what's the matter, kindergarten too brain dead over there? - Soundmind 06:42:17 02/18/06 (4)
- I continue to volunteer as mod having been asked to - E-Stat 07:30:30 02/18/06 (3)
- Comparing Audio Review to a car wreck is an excellent analogy - Soundmind 09:08:18 02/18/06 (2)
- Now the wreck is gone - E-Stat 10:11:04 02/18/06 (1)
- I just visited AR's web site first time in a very long time and there is one word which describes it perfectly "BORING" - Soundmind 10:30:26 02/18/06 (0)