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Huh, you posted this at 1:31 in the afternoon?

Posted by Fear3000 on June 8, 2001 at 15:11:53

In Reply to: Good night,,, sleep well! posted by Aurelio S. on June 8, 2001 at 13:31:04:

> > Again you choose to ignore key words, "seriously looked into", meaning that I read up on the pros/cons of owning a "modern rig", plus I gathered feedback from local "modern rig" owners/lovers and "modern rig" dealers. < <

Big Woop! How does this allow you to comment on long-term maintenance issues as you did? You're supposedly answering this same question, but alas that's not what's found in your reply.

> > Based on their answers (which BTW strongly encouraged buying a record cleaning machine to help extract that all-vital low-level detail), I made the decision that owning a "modern rig" would place a long-term constraint on my lifestyle. < <

Who cares? If you choose to gauge your musical satisfaction by consulting others, that's your business. My problem lies with the gross misstatement you've made in your rants, as I have illustrated ad nauseaum.

However, I'd like to explore something for a moment. You position revolves around convenience being more important than the music, which in turn is more important that hi-fi, correct? I can quote you verbatim if you like...

Seeing how you feel that you'd need a cleaning machine to extract the maximum amount of detail out of an LP - which I agree with - how does that not run totally contrary to the position you've been asserting? After all, the sound isn't as important as the music, so why did you choose to forego exploring a plethora of recordings on the basis of sonic concerns?

> > So you're saying that no one can conclude (or offer opinions on) how something could affect their lives based on research, education and personal preference, eh? < <

Your claim regrinding analog rigs needing constant adjustment is simply wrong, and you'd know that also if you actually had a turntable. That's the point you seem to be missing rather consistently.

> > I really could care less if everyone looks at my postings as mindless drivel. < <

...obviously.

> > We can all laugh a little more... < <

I don't know about you, but I've been laughing all along ;-)

> > I've been nothing but straight forward in my comments about owning a modern rig. I think that's what's bothering you the most. < <

So now you're a mindreader? If you must know, what bothers me the most are individuals who admit, after some prodding, that they have absolutely no experience with the topic in question and still assert their dogmatic views with seemingly unrivaled righteousness and zeal.

> > From my reply to SR 5 posts and 2 days ago... < <

Umm...I quoted that exact line in my first reply to you, and nowhere do you say that music and sound is less important to you than convenience, as you did when you tried to justify your position by modifying your own words which you intended for public viewing.

> > From The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language (4th Ed.), the definition of 'context':... < <

How was the meaning of anything you wrote altered?

> > Do you want me to define "take" and "out", for you, also? < <

It would certainly be of help if you illustrated your claims in lieu of playing silly dictionary games. You claimed that your statements were taken out of context, yet there nothing to indicate they were qualified in a way that would change their meaning. Given the copious research you have done, I'd think it would be easy for you to prove your false claim, but obviously there's nothing there but another red herring.

> > What do you call this statement you just made? A fact? < <

Yes, I wrote:

"What word in the English language do you think best describes an individual who argues vehemently, citing factors which cannot possibly be in his realm of personal experience and expertise, making laughably silly claims, only to buttress them with, "It's just my opinion?""

Are you citing factors not in the realm of your personal experience and expertise?

Yes.

Are you making laughably silly claims?

Yes.

Have you buttressed them with anything other than "It's just my opinion?

No.

> > And you're not arguing vehemently? Who began this discussion between the two of us? < <

What does this have to do with you arguing a point for turntable needing constant, long-term maintenance and adjustments, when you have no knowledge whatsoever of these concerns?

> > My point was that I do find it curious to see you reach beyond the thread for ammunition. < <

Don't you find it odd referring to a description of yourself that *you* wrote in your Inmate Profile, something you obviously expected other to read, as "ammunition?" You see, my new, fine feathered friend, running and backpedaling away from your own words, while accusing others of manipulating your language just because you're unable to support you statements with anything even resembling logic and reason, is highly disingenuous.

> > Are you sure you're not a dealer? < <

Yea, you've found me out, Sherlock.

> > As long as the moderators and owners of this board don't have a problem with me, then I will continue posting, as time allows. < <

What's with the strawman? Post as much as you like for all I care, just don't be upset when you're asked to support your foolish claims with something other than the inane "It's just my opinion."

> > Sounds to me like you're afraid to face the truth about the future of analog...the possibility of digital surpassing it... < <

Why are you trying to change the topic of this discussion?

> > I'll declare that all of Joe's advice, in my opinion, was not sound or sensible ... < <

How do you know, as you have no experience with turntables, at least not in the last 16 yrs? Yea, I know, it's just your opinion, one that has absolutely no bases in personal knowledge, experience, expertise, or understanding. Brilliant.

> > Good night, Felix. < <

Night time must come fast in Detroit, eh?

> > I'm through with this thread. < <

A shame, really.

Best Wishes,
Felix

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