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In Reply to: RE: 20-bit processing posted by J. Phelan on July 16, 2009 at 21:11:17:
One thing to be clear on is that Keith isn't saying we don't need dither. His point is that the background noise in the recording is often sufficient to provide the required dither.
And I'm not going to argue that we don't need 20-bit recording. I think we'd be best served if the playback format was the same as the recording, with as little processing in between as possible. But if we're stuck with 16/44.1 as the delivery format, we may as well make the most of it.
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Follow Ups Full ThreadTopic - Red Book Riddle Solved - J. Phelan 00:06:39 07/14/09 (109)
- RE: Red Book Riddle Solved - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 09:40:47 07/15/09 (0)
- Understand the big picture and everything is clear - Adriel 21:09:14 07/14/09 (1)
- RE: Understand the big picture and everything is clear - Tony Lauck 14:19:40 07/15/09 (0)
- Not Really........... - Todd Krieger 16:31:03 07/14/09 (55)
- RE: Not Really........... - Werner 23:09:14 07/14/09 (3)
- RE: Not Really........... - Tony Lauck 14:15:10 07/15/09 (0)
- I Stand Corrected........ - Todd Krieger 00:40:36 07/15/09 (1)
- A very simple example of noise shaping - Tony Lauck 14:54:57 07/17/09 (0)
- +1, agree with most you said, Thks....................NT - PS Yeo 18:48:57 07/14/09 (0)
- RE: Not Really........... - J. Phelan 17:47:09 07/14/09 (49)
- 20-bit processing - ephemere 19:30:52 07/14/09 (48)
- digital photo analogy - mls-stl 20:40:49 07/14/09 (11)
- RE: digital photo analogy - J. Phelan 20:56:55 07/14/09 (10)
- recording fads and fashions - mls-stl 06:43:37 07/15/09 (9)
- RE: recording fads and fashions - J. Phelan 10:09:50 07/15/09 (8)
- I'm open to all kinds of music - mls-stl 12:48:55 07/15/09 (7)
- RE: I'm open to all kinds of music - J. Phelan 17:43:16 07/15/09 (6)
- an example - mls-stl 20:43:41 07/15/09 (5)
- RE: an example - J. Phelan 21:31:35 07/15/09 (4)
- Unfortunately... - mls-stl 05:48:00 07/16/09 (3)
- RE: Unfortunately... - J. Phelan 08:22:44 07/16/09 (2)
- RE: Unfortunately... - mls-stl 20:23:39 07/16/09 (1)
- RE: Unfortunately... - J. Phelan 21:02:55 07/16/09 (0)
- RE: 20-bit processing - Todd Krieger 19:47:20 07/14/09 (34)
- RE: 20-bit processing - ephemere 21:25:22 07/14/09 (33)
- RE: 20-bit processing - Todd Krieger 23:06:49 07/14/09 (32)
- RE: 20-bit processing - J. Phelan 01:03:22 07/15/09 (31)
- RE: 20-bit processing - Todd Krieger 01:14:16 07/15/09 (30)
- RE: 20-bit processing - J. Phelan 01:37:18 07/15/09 (29)
- RE: 20-bit processing - Todd Krieger 11:38:27 07/15/09 (28)
- RE: 20-bit processing - J. Phelan 17:45:07 07/15/09 (27)
- RE: 20-bit processing - Todd Krieger 23:56:02 07/15/09 (26)
- RE: 20-bit processing - J. Phelan 00:56:26 07/16/09 (25)
- RE: 20-bit processing - Todd Krieger 18:39:20 07/16/09 (0)
- RE: 20-bit processing - Tony Lauck 10:10:05 07/16/09 (23)
- RE: 20-bit processing - J. Phelan 12:39:52 07/16/09 (22)
- RE: 20-bit processing - Tony Lauck 13:51:03 07/16/09 (21)
- RE: 20-bit processing - J. Phelan 15:31:50 07/16/09 (20)
- RE: 20-bit processing - Todd Krieger 18:55:11 07/16/09 (1)
- RE: 20-bit processing - J. Phelan 19:09:31 07/16/09 (0)
- RE: 20-bit processing - Tony Lauck 17:48:57 07/16/09 (17)
- RE: 20-bit processing - Werner 01:21:17 07/17/09 (1)
- Why 32 bit converters - Tony Lauck 08:31:03 07/17/09 (0)
- RE: 20-bit processing - J. Phelan 18:02:57 07/16/09 (14)
- RE: 20-bit processing - Todd Krieger 19:18:11 07/16/09 (0)
- RE: 20-bit processing - DaveK 18:27:01 07/16/09 (12)
- RE: 20-bit processing - J. Phelan 19:05:48 07/16/09 (6)
- RE: 20-bit processing - DaveK 20:39:33 07/16/09 (5)
- RE: 20-bit processing - J. Phelan 21:11:17 07/16/09 (4)
- RE: 20-bit processing - DaveK 07/16/0921:39:57 07/16/09 (3)
- RE: 20-bit processing - J. Phelan 22:20:39 07/16/09 (2)
- RE: 20-bit processing - Tony Lauck 19:55:26 07/17/09 (1)
- RE: 20-bit processing - J. Phelan 20:17:18 07/17/09 (0)
- RE: 20-bit processing - Tony Lauck 18:47:12 07/16/09 (4)
- RE: 20-bit processing - J. Phelan 19:12:41 07/16/09 (3)
- Many others ? - Metralla 04:26:22 07/17/09 (2)
- RE: Many others ? - J. Phelan 05:45:14 07/17/09 (1)
- RE: Many others ? - Tony Lauck 20:49:38 07/17/09 (0)
- RE: 20-bit processing - J. Phelan 19:34:08 07/14/09 (0)
- Very interesting post. - DSG 10:44:06 07/14/09 (0)
- "Some audio writers are struggling to hear a difference between the Meridian 808.2 CD player and true Hi-Rez" - Metralla 07:38:39 07/14/09 (17)
- a matter of expectations ... - TBone 16:44:02 07/14/09 (16)
- RE: a matter of expectations ... - J. Phelan 17:29:54 07/14/09 (15)
- "*no way* that SACD sounds better than a (new) minimum-phase filtering CD device - esp. the Meridian 808.2" - Metralla 21:13:05 07/14/09 (2)
- RE: "*no way* that SACD sounds better than a (new) minimum-phase filtering CD device - esp. the Meridian 808.2" - J. Phelan 21:42:27 07/14/09 (1)
- RE: "*no way* that SACD sounds better than a (new) minimum-phase filtering CD device - esp. the Meridian 808.2" - David Pritchard 09:58:49 07/17/09 (0)
- well ... I've heard this all before ... - TBone 17:38:25 07/14/09 (11)
- RE: well ... I've heard this all before ... - J. Phelan 17:52:36 07/14/09 (10)
- I did read the review ... and ... - TBone 18:23:29 07/14/09 (9)
- Need to compare against an Ayre w/ the MP Upgrade - BobM 07:51:13 07/16/09 (1)
- RE: Need to compare against an Ayre w/ the MP Upgrade - RLF 17:57:38 07/16/09 (0)
- RE: I did read the review ... and ... - J. Phelan 18:32:35 07/14/09 (6)
- good point ... but - TBone 21:35:35 07/14/09 (5)
- RE: good point ... but - J. Phelan 22:00:46 07/14/09 (4)
- RE: good point ... but - TBone 22:19:18 07/14/09 (3)
- RE: good point ... but - J. Phelan 22:37:04 07/14/09 (2)
- in the grand scheme of digital, the problems remain ... - TBone 20:13:31 07/16/09 (1)
- RE: in the grand scheme of digital, the problems remain ... - J. Phelan 20:37:53 07/16/09 (0)
- RE: Red Book Riddle Solved - coolhand 06:45:02 07/14/09 (30)
- RE: Red Book Riddle Solved - J. Phelan 13:04:24 07/14/09 (29)
- RE: Red Book Riddle Solved - Todd Krieger 15:46:14 07/14/09 (0)
- NOT - Tony Lauck 14:33:02 07/14/09 (23)
- RE: NOT - J. Phelan 18:01:53 07/14/09 (22)
- RE: NOT - Tony Lauck 18:51:59 07/14/09 (21)
- RE: NOT - J. Phelan 19:57:13 07/14/09 (20)
- RE: NOT - Tony Lauck 20:15:02 07/14/09 (1)
- RE: NOT - J. Phelan 20:20:22 07/14/09 (0)
- Who else is making minimum-phase filtering devices, besides Meridian? * - gme109 20:00:51 07/14/09 (17)
- RE: Who else is making minimum-phase filtering devices, besides Meridian? * - J. Phelan 21:02:41 07/14/09 (16)
- Where did you come up with that list??? - Charles Hansen 23:18:49 07/14/09 (12)
- RE: Where did you come up with that list??? - J. Phelan 23:50:12 07/14/09 (11)
- I think you need some new glasses. - Charles Hansen 00:14:10 07/16/09 (9)
- RE: I think you need some new glasses. - J. Phelan 00:47:34 07/16/09 (8)
- Not even close - Charles Hansen 19:09:07 07/16/09 (4)
- well ... - TBone 20:55:36 07/16/09 (1)
- This is probably the best explanation - Charles Hansen 19:47:10 07/17/09 (0)
- RE: Not even close - J. Phelan 19:35:33 07/16/09 (1)
- Spectral has never made any misleading claims - Charles Hansen 19:57:04 07/17/09 (0)
- RE: I think you need some new glasses. - Werner 10:50:41 07/16/09 (2)
- RE: I think you need some new glasses. - DaveK 18:58:23 07/16/09 (1)
- Not a lot of debate, actually - Charles Hansen 19:20:27 07/16/09 (0)
- RE: Where did you come up with that list??? - Tony Lauck 09:32:21 07/15/09 (0)
- Thanks - gme109 21:29:43 07/14/09 (2)
- RE: Thanks - J. Phelan 21:52:01 07/14/09 (1)
- RE: Thanks - gme109 21:57:03 07/14/09 (0)
- Re: "...this forum does not allow editing." ... - Neil49 14:17:05 07/14/09 (3)
- RE: Re: "...this forum does not allow editing." ... - J. Phelan 18:48:07 07/14/09 (2)
- RE: Re: "...this forum does not allow editing." ... - Tony Lauck 14:29:10 07/15/09 (0)
- RE: Re: "...this forum does not allow editing." ... - Neil49 18:58:52 07/14/09 (0)
Follow Ups
- RE: 20-bit processing - DaveK 07/16/0921:39:57 07/16/09 (3)
- RE: 20-bit processing - J. Phelan 22:20:39 07/16/09 (2)
- RE: 20-bit processing - Tony Lauck 19:55:26 07/17/09 (1)
- RE: 20-bit processing - J. Phelan 20:17:18 07/17/09 (0)