In Reply to: Yeah right!!! posted by theaudiohobby on December 11, 2003 at 04:13:22:
Dear TAH,I agree with you that the average SONY player may not define the absolute upper limit, but they are not that far away either, I have already heard several of the "brave" efforts of the people you mention and that has only helped to reinforce my view that, the upper limit of performance in SACD is defined by the way the signal enters the digital domain, not what happens after, it is a bit stream system and works this way,
A Delta Sigma (bitstream) ADC works by grossly oversampling the input with an intrinsically inaccurate ADC. Then an error signal is fed back to the input via as many as seven or more paths via integrators and clippers to avoid instability. Then this low bit but high sampling rate is decimated down to the required output rate by decimation (mathematical interpolation). The analogy to this is like the difference between Butter and Margarine, one is a natural product and the other is a vegetable oil which is highly processed to taste similar. But perhaps you prefer Margarine on your crumpets and cannot taste the difference?
A similar process takes place in reverse within a Sigma Delta DAC and adds further non-music related artifacts.
This is why the ceiling of SACD performance can already be defined as extremely limited.
Sincerely,
Peter Qvortrup
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Follow Ups
- Re: Yeah right!!! - Peter Qvortrup 12/11/0305:47:32 12/11/03 (43)
- So SACD is oversampled by default? - carolvs 08:26:39 12/12/03 (2)
- what do you mean by oversampling? - tunenut 09:52:01 12/12/03 (0)
- Re: So SACD is oversampled by default? - Peter Qvortrup 09:07:00 12/12/03 (0)
- this is a pretty biased description - tunenut 17:20:30 12/11/03 (30)
- Re: this is a pretty biased description - Peter Qvortrup 00:19:48 12/12/03 (29)
- Re: this is a pretty biased description - tunenut 09:18:38 12/12/03 (4)
- Re: this is a pretty biased description - Peter Qvortrup 04:59:44 12/13/03 (3)
- thank you for your thoughtful replies - tunenut 12:29:37 12/13/03 (1)
- Re: thank you for your thoughtful replies - Peter Qvortrup 04:26:53 12/14/03 (0)
- Question for Mr. Q - rupertdacat 11:00:49 12/13/03 (0)
- Re: this is a pretty biased description - theaudiohobby 02:56:17 12/12/03 (23)
- Re: this is a pretty biased description - Peter Qvortrup 03:39:27 12/12/03 (22)
- Re: this is a pretty biased description - theaudiohobby 07:32:37 12/12/03 (14)
- Re: this is a pretty biased description - Peter Qvortrup 07:58:59 12/12/03 (13)
- So vinyl replay is not an abstraction eh...you chat crud... - theaudiohobby 08:09:12 12/12/03 (12)
- Re: So vinyl replay is not an abstraction eh...you chat crud... - Peter Qvortrup 08:21:50 12/12/03 (11)
- Re: So vinyl replay is not an abstraction eh...you chat crud... - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 17:05:04 12/14/03 (0)
- Re: So vinyl replay is not an abstraction eh...you chat crud... - theaudiohobby 13:28:08 12/12/03 (9)
- Re: So vinyl replay is not an abstraction eh...you chat crud... - Peter Qvortrup 03:12:43 12/13/03 (8)
- Let me refresh you memory. - theaudiohobby 18:38:20 12/13/03 (7)
- Re: Let me refresh you memory. - Peter Qvortrup 03:08:03 12/14/03 (6)
- Re: Let me refresh you memory. - theaudiohobby 13:26:08 12/14/03 (5)
- You Don't Get to Make the Rules - Bob Neill 13:47:25 12/14/03 (4)
- Re: You Don't Get to Make the Rules - theaudiohobby 01:32:48 12/15/03 (3)
- Re: You Don't Get to Make the Rules - Bob Neill 06:35:37 12/15/03 (2)
- Re: You Don't Get to Make the Rules - theaudiohobby 08:35:59 12/15/03 (1)
- Re: You Don't Get to Make the Rules - Bob Neill 09:03:24 12/15/03 (0)
- Re: this is a pretty biased description - soulvibrations 04:41:55 12/12/03 (6)
- somehow this morphed into analog vs. digital? - tunenut 09:24:29 12/12/03 (0)
- Re: Perhaps not so Biased - Peter Qvortrup 05:04:49 12/12/03 (4)
- Re: Perhaps not so Biased - soulvibrations 05:40:45 12/12/03 (3)
- Re: Perhaps not so Biased - Peter Qvortrup 05:49:35 12/12/03 (2)
- Re: Perhaps not so Biased - soulvibrations 05:56:34 12/12/03 (1)
- Re: Perhaps not so Biased - Peter Qvortrup 09:11:03 12/16/03 (0)
- Hate to disappoint you... - theaudiohobby 11:51:01 12/11/03 (4)
- Re: Hate to disappoint you... - Peter Qvortrup 00:24:30 12/12/03 (3)
- Disagree completely, The word mirage is in the dictionary for good reasons -nt - theaudiohobby 02:47:26 12/12/03 (2)
- Re: Disagree completely, The word mirage is in the dictionary for good reasons -nt - Peter Qvortrup 03:42:53 12/12/03 (1)
- Re: Disagree completely, The word mirage is in the dictionary for good reasons -nt - theaudiohobby 06:53:51 12/12/03 (0)
- Re: Yeah right!!! - larry moore 10:40:35 12/11/03 (3)
- Re: Yeah right!!! - Peter Qvortrup 00:28:32 12/12/03 (2)
- Re: Yeah right!!! - larry moore 13:51:23 12/12/03 (1)
- Re: Yeah right!!! - Peter Qvortrup 09:02:27 12/16/03 (0)