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Yes, - the products are designed to produce ""good sound"

That is inherently a subjective goal.

Look, - if we can't agree that the PURPOSE of a component is too enhance the experience of listening to a recording, - then there's not much point in continuing.

whether or not a Fender Rhodes sounds like a Fender Rhodes through any given system is a subjective statement and certainly can be debated, but cannot be "proven." Especially by any measurement or series of measurements on any given DAC, amp, speakers etc.

The goal is better sound, - not less jitter. A DAC that has a lower jitter level on the DAC chips may sound much worse than other DACs because the power supply sucks, or it just doesn't have synergy with the other components in the system.

Measurements on any one piece of gear DO NOT CORREALATE with overall system performance. We judge PERFORMANCE subjectively.

If I measure the width of my amplifier and it comes out to 19 inches, - is that science? Every time i take out a ruler to cut may carpet, - am I being scientific? If you want to call measuring jitter part of a scientific process that is fine, - I can agree to that. But at the same time, you must recognize that you can have GOOD science and BAD science. And also recognize that some measurements have no bearing on the final result or goal, some measurements have LESS VALUE than others, and certainly you can have poor tests that have no bearing on the final result or conclusion.

Right now, John Swenson is developing tools that ARE BETTER. He is ADVANCING SCIENCE by designing tests that are MORE REFLECTIVE of the PERFORMANCE of the device, - which may HELP get us closer to making our conclusions more accurate.

If you yourself wanted to understand these truths better: you could go out and listen to many different types of equipment in different combinations, then you would be performing scientific investigations yourself, and you necesssarily would come to the understanding that measurements (especially the cursory ones that you currently support) have no correlation with performance. You will come to the same conclusions that almost everyone here, who performs these tests, - that different components and cables effect the overall sound of a system differently.

In this thread, I have repeated myself several times. That is not good. It is likely I, (and several others who have said something similar), are not going move you from (reading your posts) your position that is contrary to the 99%).

So good luck, and I do wish that you would open up your mind a bit, do some research and science, and investigate and listen to more equipment. Most of us find it a lot of fun, - even though we may never buy anything, or think that the equipment is "right" for us, - many of us still find it great fun to listen to many of the vast array of gear out there.

"Asylums with doors open wide,
Where people had paid to see inside,
For entertainment they watch his body twist
Behind his eyes he says, 'I still exist.'"

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