In Reply to: these aren't products designed for the "scientific world" posted by Sordidman on April 18, 2019 at 18:58:54:
"Electrical Engineering and design is not science, or rather not scientific investigations"
So the design of an electronic audio product is not of a scientific nature? The act of performing an electrical test on a piece of audio gear is not a scientific process?
Not only is that absurd, but even a properly conducted listening test is in fact a scientific process. That means adhering to DBT protocol.
Did John work for Intel? I can't confirm or deny what I have not seen stated? Where does he claim that? I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt here are many people work for Intel. But what exactly did he do at Intel? There is nothing in the bio HE posted on the above articles that states any formal background in electrical engineering or electronics. You think a company like Intel doesn't require that of their engineering staff? Perhaps not for technicians but surely for their design engineers.
And it's not that his products don't work. That's my fault or not being more specific. I'm sure they do "work" in that they pass a digital audio stream faithfully. And I see no reason why his isolation products wouldn't reduce electrical noise on the signal or bit stream.
What "does not work" is the claim that these products improve the recovered sound. Sure in theory you could have enough noise on the bit stream to couple into the analog section of a DAC. But when you consider the magnitude of the average electrical noise level on a USB interface versus the S/N of the analog circuits and post amplification, coupled with speaker sensitivity, it's simply not audible.
Yes, I know you and others claim to hear it. And I believe you honestly do. But have you heard of expectation bias, placebo effect? Would you be willing to participate in a properly conducted DBT?
Or are you one of those audiophiles that say DBT doesn't work. That the very idea of a test destroys the delicate mode, upsets the sensitive listener, and therefore nullifies the differences.
Please!
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Follow Ups
- Are you serious? - gusser 04/18/1919:52:27 04/18/19 (61)
- Yes, - the products are designed to produce ""good sound" - Sordidman 09:17:13 04/19/19 (24)
- I have opened my mind! - gusser 12:18:50 04/19/19 (22)
- I would suggest some reading on logic and the history of science - Sordidman 14:25:28 04/20/19 (21)
- RE: I would suggest some reading on logic and the history of science - gusser 15:27:11 04/20/19 (20)
- RE: I would suggest some reading on logic and the history of science - Sordidman 10:41:39 04/22/19 (19)
- RE: I would suggest some reading on logic and the history of science - gusser 10:48:39 04/22/19 (18)
- Thank you for proving my point...... - Sordidman 10:59:11 04/22/19 (17)
- You have provided evidence of nothing! - gusser 11:06:01 04/22/19 (16)
- Define evidence - Sordidman 11:30:18 04/22/19 (15)
- RE: Define evidence - gusser 11:34:05 04/22/19 (14)
- RE: Define evidence - Sordidman 12:07:46 04/22/19 (13)
- RE: Define evidence - gusser 12:14:51 04/22/19 (12)
- RE: Define evidence - Sordidman 12:37:17 04/22/19 (11)
- LOL! - gusser 12:43:59 04/22/19 (10)
- RE: LOL! - Sordidman 12:57:15 04/22/19 (9)
- What experience? - gusser 14:01:41 04/22/19 (8)
- RE: What experience? - Sordidman 14:24:04 04/22/19 (7)
- For your use I agree (nt) - gusser 14:54:56 04/22/19 (6)
- Again, not me. For high performance, digital file playback use - Sordidman 15:35:54 04/22/19 (5)
- Right! I don't have high performance digital playback! - gusser 15:53:41 04/22/19 (4)
- RE: Right! I don't have high performance digital playback! - Sordidman 16:21:40 04/22/19 (3)
- Vitriol - audioengr 10:42:36 06/6/19 (0)
- Your system. - gusser 16:56:37 04/22/19 (0)
- RE: Right! I don't have high performance digital playback! - gusser 16:27:52 04/22/19 (0)
- Well said ... another view paralleling The late great Richard C.Heyser... - Cleantimestream 11:13:18 04/19/19 (0)
- RE: Are you serious? - Ivan303 21:00:00 04/18/19 (35)
- RE: Are you serious? - gusser 21:07:21 04/18/19 (34)
- Why are you trying to argue with THIS man? - Cleantimestream 11:17:16 04/19/19 (33)
- I'm not! - gusser 12:27:30 04/19/19 (32)
- Sure, - "the laws of electrical engineering" - Sordidman 10:49:34 04/22/19 (2)
- RE: Sure, - "the laws of electrical engineering" - gusser 10:54:10 04/22/19 (1)
- RE: Sure, - "the laws of electrical engineering" - Sordidman 11:37:15 04/22/19 (0)
- "But that a listening session is also part of the test suite" - Cleantimestream 13:15:03 04/19/19 (28)
- Well said CleansTime -t - Sordidman 11:00:11 04/22/19 (1)
- RE: Well said CleansTime -t - Duster 13:44:45 05/2/19 (0)
- RE: "But that a listening session is also part of the test suite" - gusser 13:27:02 04/19/19 (25)
- Absolute Rubbish - Duster 15:56:04 05/2/19 (0)
- RE: "But that a listening session is also part of the test suite" - Cleantimestream 08:03:49 04/20/19 (23)
- +1 -t - Sordidman 11:01:58 04/22/19 (0)
- You missed my point. - gusser 11:30:21 04/20/19 (21)
- RE: You missed my point. - Cleantimestream 16:44:53 04/20/19 (20)
- I never said that! - gusser 17:09:17 04/20/19 (19)
- One can't design anything without engineering principles - Sordidman 11:03:46 04/22/19 (0)
- RE: I never said that! - Cleantimestream 17:25:06 04/20/19 (17)
- Misunderstanding - gusser 17:47:35 04/20/19 (16)
- Another False statement - Sordidman 11:16:08 04/22/19 (15)
- Now you say I am an EE? - gusser 11:31:12 04/22/19 (14)
- you're insulting John and your insulting me - Sordidman 12:02:34 04/22/19 (13)
- RE: you're insulting John and your insulting me - gusser 12:07:39 04/22/19 (12)
- RE: you're insulting John and your insulting me - Sordidman 12:14:34 04/22/19 (11)
- But I have the ability and experience to listen! - gusser 12:19:22 04/22/19 (10)
- RE: But I have the ability and experience to listen! - Sordidman 12:50:19 04/22/19 (9)
- RE: But I have the ability and experience to listen! - gusser 13:59:44 04/22/19 (8)
- RE: But I have the ability and experience to listen! - Sordidman 14:22:49 04/22/19 (7)
- Another area? - gusser 14:38:21 04/22/19 (6)
- RE: Another area? - Sordidman 15:34:17 04/22/19 (5)
- Clueless! - gusser 15:51:52 04/22/19 (4)
- Yes, - you absolutely are..... - Sordidman 16:34:45 04/22/19 (3)
- RE: Yes, - you absolutely are..... - gusser 16:43:57 04/22/19 (2)
- on the basis of your posts - Sordidman 16:58:02 04/22/19 (1)
- RE: on the basis of your posts - gusser 17:00:40 04/22/19 (0)