The DAC in my system I have owned for a number of years, and its an excellent component for Redbook CD's. A few years ago I moved all my software to a Mac Mini, and ended up buying a Singxer SU-1 USB/SPDIF converter to make everything work. I also installed a PS Audio LANRover onto the outfeed of the MAC, and it also made a positive contribution.
So this year I think the DAC is getting long in the tooth and perhaps there is an upgrade to be had here. I buy a $6000 MSRP DAC with USB input. I decide to remove the Singxer and break it in. I listen for a few weeks and am underwhelmed by the sound. I decide to pull the LANRover out to get a base line evaluation, and it sounds worse. The LANRover is still a positive contribution. So things are not working out well.
I remember a couple of years back that there was a contingent on HEAD HIFI that felt outboard USB conversion was superior to what is on board to most DACs. So to explore this idea I decided to hook up the Singxer again. Well even on an unused input the sound quality took a significant step forward. I always felt this was a work around at best, and that having a meter of digital cable in place was a limiting factor. However the results in this case show different.
So does anyone have any thoughts or experiences on why this works out this way? Have you traveled this path, or do you have examples of on board USB input being an improvement? I wonder if its the DAC itself, however this is a current generation machine, and at a $6K MSRP I would like to think that the USB input circuit would be of excellent quality. So I am trying to figure this out.
Cheers
Mister Pig
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Topic - Outboard USB/SPDIF Conversion: Why Can It Yield Higher Sound Quality? - Mister Pig 08:10:47 04/14/19 (128)
- Every USB interface is different - audioengr 10:16:28 06/4/19 (4)
- RE: Every USB interface is different - Mr_Steady 12:01:34 06/4/19 (3)
- RE: Every USB interface is different - audioengr 12:46:35 06/4/19 (2)
- RE: Every USB interface is different - gusser 13:48:52 06/7/19 (1)
- Give it up - audioengr 13:53:44 06/7/19 (0)
- I would just keep your old DAC - Jon L 20:30:04 04/15/19 (5)
- RE: I would just keep your old DAC - Mister Pig 06:33:49 04/17/19 (4)
- RE: I would just keep your old DAC - Jon L 18:00:03 04/18/19 (0)
- It's not a given that new, trendy, tech produces higher performance - Sordidman 10:38:04 04/18/19 (0)
- What on earth were you thinking all of those years? - Ivan303 09:35:44 04/18/19 (0)
- I have a similar 1704U-K DAC - jusbe 03:35:17 04/18/19 (0)
- cables, cables, cables... - paco 02:18:05 04/15/19 (102)
- RE: cables, cables, cables... - audioengr 10:15:07 06/6/19 (0)
- Yeah.. Of course it's the WIRES that are the problem .. Unbelievable naivety - bare 17:26:04 04/16/19 (2)
- yep, bad cables MAY spoil SQ in any system, don't be ignorant (nt) - paco 23:25:32 04/16/19 (1)
- So happily buy more then :-) - bare 09:21:16 04/18/19 (0)
- RE: cables, cables, cables... - gusser 11:26:00 04/16/19 (97)
- RE: cables, cables, cables... - Sordidman 12:40:21 04/16/19 (88)
- RE: cables, cables, cables... - gusser 12:49:39 04/16/19 (87)
- The USB cable is on the DAC's INPUT.... - Ivan303 13:05:16 04/17/19 (86)
- RE: The USB cable is on the DAC's INPUT.... - gusser 13:17:09 04/17/19 (85)
- RE: The USB cable is on the DAC's INPUT.... - Ivan303 19:25:12 04/17/19 (84)
- RE: The USB cable is on the DAC's INPUT.... - gusser 19:34:23 04/17/19 (83)
- Maybe, maybe not. - Ivan303 09:19:50 04/18/19 (82)
- RE: Maybe, maybe not. - gusser 11:13:29 04/18/19 (81)
- Nope, just a digital tech.... - Ivan303 16:58:59 04/18/19 (12)
- RE: Nope, just a digital tech.... - gusser 17:31:13 04/18/19 (11)
- RE: Nope, just a digital tech.... - Ivan303 20:36:40 04/18/19 (0)
- what does being an EE have anything to do with whether or not - Sordidman 19:25:12 04/18/19 (9)
- RE: what does being an EE have anything to do with whether or not - gusser 19:54:52 04/18/19 (8)
- That was a really good post from you, that advances this .... - Sordidman 08:32:19 04/19/19 (6)
- Wrong! - gusser 16:58:42 04/19/19 (5)
- RIGHT!! - Sordidman 13:50:19 04/20/19 (4)
- RE: RIGHT!! - gusser 15:35:06 04/20/19 (3)
- RE: RIGHT!! - Sordidman 18:11:31 04/20/19 (2)
- Here you go! - gusser 20:31:10 04/20/19 (1)
- not as flashy, but I'll take my system anyday - audioengr 10:40:21 06/6/19 (0)
- RE: what does being an EE have anything to do with whether or not - Ivan303 20:47:49 04/18/19 (0)
- Engineering credentials in other, (unrelated), fields are a detriment - Sordidman 16:50:26 04/18/19 (67)
- +1 here. All you need are ears beyond 15k and the wisdom to use them - Story 03:18:18 05/4/19 (0)
- Another chip designer? - gusser 17:23:39 04/18/19 (65)
- Yes: John was a regular poster here - Sordidman 17:53:43 04/18/19 (64)
- RE: Yes: John was a regular poster here - gusser 18:05:35 04/18/19 (63)
- these aren't products designed for the "scientific world" - Sordidman 18:58:54 04/18/19 (62)
- Are you serious? - gusser 19:52:27 04/18/19 (61)
- Yes, - the products are designed to produce ""good sound" - Sordidman 09:17:13 04/19/19 (24)
- I have opened my mind! - gusser 12:18:50 04/19/19 (22)
- I would suggest some reading on logic and the history of science - Sordidman 14:25:28 04/20/19 (21)
- RE: I would suggest some reading on logic and the history of science - gusser 15:27:11 04/20/19 (20)
- RE: I would suggest some reading on logic and the history of science - Sordidman 10:41:39 04/22/19 (19)
- RE: I would suggest some reading on logic and the history of science - gusser 10:48:39 04/22/19 (18)
- Thank you for proving my point...... - Sordidman 10:59:11 04/22/19 (17)
- You have provided evidence of nothing! - gusser 11:06:01 04/22/19 (16)
- Define evidence - Sordidman 11:30:18 04/22/19 (15)
- RE: Define evidence - gusser 11:34:05 04/22/19 (14)
- RE: Define evidence - Sordidman 12:07:46 04/22/19 (13)
- RE: Define evidence - gusser 12:14:51 04/22/19 (12)
- RE: Define evidence - Sordidman 12:37:17 04/22/19 (11)
- LOL! - gusser 12:43:59 04/22/19 (10)
- RE: LOL! - Sordidman 12:57:15 04/22/19 (9)
- What experience? - gusser 14:01:41 04/22/19 (8)
- RE: What experience? - Sordidman 14:24:04 04/22/19 (7)
- For your use I agree (nt) - gusser 14:54:56 04/22/19 (6)
- Again, not me. For high performance, digital file playback use - Sordidman 15:35:54 04/22/19 (5)
- Right! I don't have high performance digital playback! - gusser 15:53:41 04/22/19 (4)
- RE: Right! I don't have high performance digital playback! - Sordidman 16:21:40 04/22/19 (3)
- Vitriol - audioengr 10:42:36 06/6/19 (0)
- Your system. - gusser 16:56:37 04/22/19 (0)
- RE: Right! I don't have high performance digital playback! - gusser 16:27:52 04/22/19 (0)
- Well said ... another view paralleling The late great Richard C.Heyser... - Cleantimestream 11:13:18 04/19/19 (0)
- RE: Are you serious? - Ivan303 21:00:00 04/18/19 (35)
- RE: Are you serious? - gusser 21:07:21 04/18/19 (34)
- Why are you trying to argue with THIS man? - Cleantimestream 11:17:16 04/19/19 (33)
- I'm not! - gusser 12:27:30 04/19/19 (32)
- Sure, - "the laws of electrical engineering" - Sordidman 10:49:34 04/22/19 (2)
- RE: Sure, - "the laws of electrical engineering" - gusser 10:54:10 04/22/19 (1)
- RE: Sure, - "the laws of electrical engineering" - Sordidman 11:37:15 04/22/19 (0)
- "But that a listening session is also part of the test suite" - Cleantimestream 13:15:03 04/19/19 (28)
- Well said CleansTime -t - Sordidman 11:00:11 04/22/19 (1)
- RE: Well said CleansTime -t - Duster 13:44:45 05/2/19 (0)
- RE: "But that a listening session is also part of the test suite" - gusser 13:27:02 04/19/19 (25)
- Absolute Rubbish - Duster 15:56:04 05/2/19 (0)
- RE: "But that a listening session is also part of the test suite" - Cleantimestream 08:03:49 04/20/19 (23)
- +1 -t - Sordidman 11:01:58 04/22/19 (0)
- You missed my point. - gusser 11:30:21 04/20/19 (21)
- RE: You missed my point. - Cleantimestream 16:44:53 04/20/19 (20)
- I never said that! - gusser 17:09:17 04/20/19 (19)
- One can't design anything without engineering principles - Sordidman 11:03:46 04/22/19 (0)
- RE: I never said that! - Cleantimestream 17:25:06 04/20/19 (17)
- Misunderstanding - gusser 17:47:35 04/20/19 (16)
- Another False statement - Sordidman 11:16:08 04/22/19 (15)
- Now you say I am an EE? - gusser 11:31:12 04/22/19 (14)
- you're insulting John and your insulting me - Sordidman 12:02:34 04/22/19 (13)
- RE: you're insulting John and your insulting me - gusser 12:07:39 04/22/19 (12)
- RE: you're insulting John and your insulting me - Sordidman 12:14:34 04/22/19 (11)
- But I have the ability and experience to listen! - gusser 12:19:22 04/22/19 (10)
- RE: But I have the ability and experience to listen! - Sordidman 12:50:19 04/22/19 (9)
- RE: But I have the ability and experience to listen! - gusser 13:59:44 04/22/19 (8)
- RE: But I have the ability and experience to listen! - Sordidman 14:22:49 04/22/19 (7)
- Another area? - gusser 14:38:21 04/22/19 (6)
- RE: Another area? - Sordidman 15:34:17 04/22/19 (5)
- Clueless! - gusser 15:51:52 04/22/19 (4)
- Yes, - you absolutely are..... - Sordidman 16:34:45 04/22/19 (3)
- RE: Yes, - you absolutely are..... - gusser 16:43:57 04/22/19 (2)
- on the basis of your posts - Sordidman 16:58:02 04/22/19 (1)
- RE: on the basis of your posts - gusser 17:00:40 04/22/19 (0)
- so old and tiring a controversy... yet let's try once again... - paco 12:28:15 04/16/19 (7)
- RE: so old and tiring a controversy... yet let's try once again... - gusser 12:34:39 04/16/19 (6)
- Some engineering data - audioengr 10:51:24 06/6/19 (1)
- RE: Some engineering data - gusser 13:39:01 06/7/19 (0)
- RE: so old and tiring a controversy... yet let's try once again... - paco 12:46:14 04/16/19 (3)
- RE: so old and tiring a controversy... yet let's try once again... - gusser 12:48:13 04/16/19 (2)
- My credentials - audioengr 10:57:11 06/6/19 (0)
- RE: so old and tiring a controversy... yet let's try once again... - Duster 02:04:41 04/18/19 (0)
- RE: Outboard USB/SPDIF Conversion: Why Can It Yield Higher Sound Quality? - knewton 09:23:40 04/14/19 (6)
- Could be.... - Ivan303 12:32:09 04/14/19 (5)
- RE: Could be.... - Mister Pig 06:09:17 04/15/19 (4)
- 3 important USB considerations for great USB performance - Sordidman 08:40:52 04/16/19 (2)
- RE: 3 important USB considerations for great USB performance - Mister Pig 06:23:58 04/17/19 (1)
- Thanks for the clarifications - Sordidman 10:09:36 04/17/19 (0)
- LOL! Maybe if you had a mail order Chinese DAC... - Ivan303 16:07:40 04/15/19 (0)
- The 'Source to DAC' link contains a multitude of sins.... - Ivan303 09:09:45 04/14/19 (6)
- RE: The 'Source to DAC' link contains a multitude of sins.... - Awe-d-o-file 14:04:53 04/14/19 (0)
- RE: The 'Source to DAC' link contains a multitude of sins.... - Awe-d-o-file 13:53:23 04/14/19 (0)
- RE: The 'Source to DAC' link contains a multitude of sins.... - Mister Pig 09:17:27 04/14/19 (3)
- My contacts in Colorado who are close to PSAudio suggest... - Ivan303 09:38:17 04/14/19 (2)
- RE: My contacts in Colorado who are close to PSAudio suggest... - AbeCollins 15:41:08 04/14/19 (1)
- Might have been a $6000 DAC some years ago..... - Ivan303 18:19:08 04/14/19 (0)