John Atkinson wrote:
> > please let me know where I have been factually incorrect < <
>
> Charley Hansen wrote:
> I'm often taken aback at some of the assumptions you make about the
> reasons for and/or the significance of specific measurements.I am starting a new thread as Charley posted this in the MQA thread that
refuses to die and his question has nothing to do with MQA.> For example in the recent review of the KEF Reference 5, in the
> "Measurements" sidebar you state "The traces in fig.1 are free from the
> small discontinuities that would suggest the presence of panel resonances."Yes, that's what I wrote.
> I have seen many, many cases of "small discontinuities" in the impedance
> traces of many different loudspeakers. While I suppose it may be
> *possible* that one of these could be due to a "panel resonance"(especially
> a large panel of thin material - 1/8" Masonite or similar), I have never
> seen this in my life. What led you to this belief?A quarter century of measuring loudspeakers, Charley. In 1992 I was
investigating speaker panel resonances in order to write the article
reprinted at https://www.stereophile.com/features/806/index.html. I
noticed that the frequencies of the panel resonances correlated with small
glitches in the impedance magnitude and electrical phase angle graphs when
plotted with sufficient frequency resolution.I mentioned this diagnostic nature of the impedance measurement in the
paper on speaker measurements I presented to a 1997 AES convention - see
linked page below. I had found that it isn't just the panel behavior that
gives rise to these discontinuities but resonances of all kinds. These
include things like a metal-dome tweeter's primary resonance and pipe
resonances in reflex ports and transmission lines.There isn't a 100% correlation. For example, in the case of the KEF
speaker, I did find a couple of panel resonant modes with an accelerometer
that didn't affect the impedance measurement. This was perhaps due to
these resonances being low enough in both amplitude and Q to be detected
with the frequency resolution I was using. But almost always if I find
some kind of glitch in the impedance measurement, I subsequently find some
sort of resonant problem.
John Atkinson
Technical Editor, Stereophile
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Topic - Speaker Measurements - John Atkinson 04:44:22 10/28/17 (32)
- RE: Speaker Measurements - stehno 13:06:00 10/29/17 (1)
- RE: Speaker Measurements - Charles Hansen 21:47:48 10/29/17 (0)
- RE: Speaker Measurements - hahax@verizon.net 09:40:10 10/29/17 (0)
- RE: Speaker Measurements - A.Wayne 18:50:07 10/28/17 (12)
- RE: Speaker Measurements - Charles Hansen 20:13:48 10/28/17 (11)
- RE: Speaker Measurements - John Atkinson 04:19:48 10/30/17 (0)
- RE: Speaker Measurements - hahax@verizon.net 20:45:42 10/28/17 (9)
- RE: Speaker Measurements - Charles Hansen 04:09:17 10/29/17 (8)
- RE: Speaker Measurements and SS vs toobs - A.Wayne 10:31:58 10/29/17 (0)
- RE: Speaker Measurements - hahax@verizon.net 09:43:14 10/29/17 (0)
- RE: Speaker Measurements - John Atkinson 04:35:22 10/29/17 (5)
- RE: Speaker Measurements - Charles Hansen 04:54:42 10/29/17 (4)
- Link or admit your slander (NT) - RhythmDevil 05:36:59 10/29/17 (3)
- RE: Link or admit your slander (NT) - Charles Hansen 06:32:36 10/29/17 (2)
- Why be civil? - RhythmDevil 08:40:04 10/29/17 (1)
- Because there is such a thing as justifiable anger and outrage. - stehno 13:20:45 10/29/17 (0)
- Actually on Speaker Measurements - Doug Schneider 14:56:58 10/28/17 (12)
- RE: Actually on Speaker Measurements - Charles Hansen 20:15:46 10/28/17 (9)
- RE: Actually on Speaker Measurements - John Atkinson 05:15:39 10/29/17 (2)
- 100-300Hz - Doug Schneider 07:54:47 10/29/17 (0)
- RE: Actually on Speaker Measurements - Charles Hansen 06:30:11 10/29/17 (0)
- PS (Very Long) - Charles Hansen 04:00:29 10/29/17 (5)
- RE: PS (Very Long) - Inmate51 09:51:09 10/30/17 (0)
- Great post on Precision Resistive Products resistors - Metralla 15:24:21 10/29/17 (3)
- Fascinating analysis from over 20 years ago - Metralla 18:19:40 10/31/17 (1)
- RE: Fascinating analysis from over 20 years ago - Charles Hansen 21:28:49 10/31/17 (0)
- Thanks! - Charles Hansen 20:56:30 10/30/17 (0)
- RE: Actually on Speaker Measurements - A.Wayne 19:42:59 10/28/17 (1)
- RE: Actually on Speaker Measurements - Doug Schneider 06:25:37 10/29/17 (0)
- RE: Speaker Measurements - b.l.zeebub 14:15:03 10/28/17 (0)
- Enough thread crapping by the MQA haters already. nt - viridian 13:40:40 10/28/17 (1)
- Enormous +1 (nt) - bcowen 13:58:53 10/28/17 (0)