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In Reply to: It will be interesting to hear John Atkinson's response posted by DAP on October 20, 2017 at 11:14:12:
> Does he agree that "If MQA is successful, audio will be distributed and
> rented in the same way that video is distributed and rented"?The move toward renting rather than owning music is already well underway,
regardless of anything MQA does or does not.> That MQA royalties will become "unworkable" for "small, innovative
> manufacturers"? Does he see this as a problem?So far, no-one I spoken to has been aware of the MQA royalties or has been
willing to tell me, presumably because of NDAs. But as long as the unprocessed
original PCM files are available for download or streaming, I don't see this
as a major issue.
John Atkinson
Technical Editor, Stereophile
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Follow Ups Full ThreadTopic - Why Can't The Audio Magazines Do This? - Charles Hansen 23:06:58 10/6/17 (206)
- Sorry to repeat but my post was so buried in this thread, I think JA overlooked it - stehno 15:07:25 10/29/17 (0)
- On the contrary - fmak 06:45:10 10/27/17 (1)
- Not clear: Did you listen on an MQA-capable DAC? (NT) - Kal Rubinson 13:01:49 10/27/17 (0)
- RE: Why Can't The Audio Magazines Do This? - FSonicSmith 17:17:33 10/22/17 (2)
- RE: Why Can't The Audio Magazines Do This? - stehno 19:32:55 10/23/17 (0)
- RE: Why Can't The Audio Magazines Do This? - Charles Hansen 21:29:25 10/22/17 (0)
- RE: Why Can't The Audio Magazines Do This? - BubbaMike 23:28:31 10/19/17 (0)
- RE: Why Can't The Audio Magazines Do This? - TubeDriver 10:01:12 10/18/17 (1)
- RE: Why Can't The Audio Magazines Do This? - 4everyoung 10:30:17 10/18/17 (0)
- RE: Why Can't The Audio Magazines Do This? - 4everyoung 02:31:03 10/13/17 (81)
- RE: Why Can't The Audio Magazines Do This? - stehno 12:40:25 10/15/17 (54)
- Maybe nothing... - Ivan303 13:25:50 10/15/17 (53)
- RE: Maybe nothing... - stehno 13:45:23 10/15/17 (52)
- Key Word: 'Maybe' - Ivan303 16:02:51 10/15/17 (51)
- Harley writes ad copy - hawkmoon 16:53:44 10/15/17 (50)
- Tweedledee and Tweedledum - DAP 08:56:05 10/16/17 (44)
- RE: Tweedledee and Tweedledum - stehno 00:06:30 10/17/17 (41)
- RE: Tweedledee and Tweedledum - Krav Maga 15:37:15 10/19/17 (38)
- Question for John Atkinson - DAP 15:57:59 10/19/17 (37)
- RE: Question for John Atkinson - John Atkinson 16:35:20 10/19/17 (36)
- If MQA is the "new world" of audio, I want no part of it - I'd rather dig ditches - Charles Hansen 21:46:22 10/19/17 (34)
- RE: If MQA is the "new world" of audio, I want no part of it - I'd rather dig ditches - John Atkinson 10:02:43 10/21/17 (11)
- RE: If MQA is the "new world" of audio, I want no part of it - I'd rather dig ditches - Charles Hansen 12:10:36 10/21/17 (10)
- This is why over time - fmak 02:44:23 10/29/17 (0)
- RE: If MQA is the "new world" of audio, I want no part of it - I'd rather dig ditches - mcgilroy 07:56:16 10/23/17 (0)
- RE: If MQA is the "new world" of audio, I want no part of it - I'd rather dig ditches - John Atkinson 06:48:32 10/22/17 (0)
- RE: If MQA is the "new world" of audio, I want no part of it - I'd rather dig ditches - Jim Austin 15:01:32 10/21/17 (3)
- Please stop Jim, you are embarrassing yourself - Charles Hansen 00:03:58 10/22/17 (2)
- I'll take my chances - Jim Austin 07:30:08 10/22/17 (0)
- Last few paragraphs are a great summary of what appears to be the REAL issues with MQA (nt) - Steve O 06:18:29 10/22/17 (0)
- Sorry, Charley. - Kal Rubinson 12:51:13 10/21/17 (2)
- RE: Sorry, Charley. - Charles Hansen 13:06:03 10/21/17 (1)
- Actually, Charles, you may want to rethink this.... - stehno 15:23:42 10/21/17 (0)
- RE: If MQA is the "new world" of audio, I want no part of it - I'd rather dig ditches - Inmate51 14:26:34 10/20/17 (0)
- Did the print magazines publish any of this? - Kal Rubinson 13:29:19 10/20/17 (9)
- Look it up where and how? nt - Rick W 13:40:40 10/20/17 (8)
- Google? - DAP 14:01:42 10/20/17 (7)
- RE: Google? - Charles Hansen 03:01:49 10/21/17 (5)
- You asked.................. - Kal Rubinson 06:00:11 10/21/17 (4)
- What's in those links sure ain't my idea of calling a spade a spade. nt - Rick W 07:39:29 10/21/17 (3)
- You can draw your own conclusions. (NT) - Kal Rubinson 10:26:53 10/21/17 (2)
- I think he already did so. (nt) - Charles Hansen 12:56:30 10/21/17 (1)
- And I am OK with that. (nt) - Kal Rubinson 18:48:32 10/21/17 (0)
- Thanks. nt - Rick W 14:13:39 10/20/17 (0)
- Does the Audiophile press have enough intellectual curiosity in regards to MQA? - Krav Maga 11:19:38 10/20/17 (3)
- FWIW - Jim Austin 15:07:31 10/20/17 (2)
- "both sides" - DAP 17:43:56 10/20/17 (1)
- RE: "both sides" - Jim Austin 17:52:14 10/20/17 (0)
- It will be interesting to hear John Atkinson's response - DAP 11:14:12 10/20/17 (6)
- RE: It will be interesting to hear John Atkinson's response - John Atkinson 10/21/1710:10:58 10/21/17 (5)
- RE: It will be interesting to hear John Atkinson's response - DAP 15:43:31 10/23/17 (2)
- RE: It will be interesting to hear John Atkinson's response - Charles Hansen 22:02:41 10/23/17 (0)
- RE: It will be interesting to hear John Atkinson's response - stehno 21:12:48 10/23/17 (0)
- RE: It will be interesting to hear John Atkinson's response - Charles Hansen 12:49:57 10/21/17 (0)
- RE: NDAs - Krav Maga 10:52:06 10/21/17 (0)
- My apologies, I will nt - DAP 16:37:07 10/19/17 (0)
- It's just that - DAP 07:39:31 10/17/17 (1)
- C'mon DAP, hold it together buddy. ... - stehno 18:58:25 10/17/17 (0)
- RE: Tweedledee and Tweedledum - Ivan303 15:36:52 10/16/17 (1)
- Could that be ... - DAP 20:51:41 10/16/17 (0)
- RE: Harley writes ad copy - Ivan303 17:02:39 10/15/17 (4)
- Yep. nt - Rick W 21:58:28 10/17/17 (0)
- So did Harry for many a year - E-Stat 18:14:41 10/17/17 (0)
- Not all editors are like Harley. - hawkmoon 17:15:45 10/15/17 (1)
- RE: Not all editors are like Harley. - Charles Hansen 06:59:36 10/16/17 (0)
- But what did he get? - DAP 09:22:59 10/13/17 (25)
- Check out the MQA newsletter - 4everyoung 11:15:32 10/18/17 (1)
- RE: Check out the MQA newsletter - Charles Hansen 18:54:17 10/18/17 (0)
- Glowing reviews from the audio press - 4everyoung 18:14:37 10/14/17 (22)
- If that's the case... - Ivan303 08:37:42 10/15/17 (0)
- RE: Glowing reviews from the audio press - Charles Hansen 07:41:48 10/15/17 (20)
- RE: There is this: - b.l.zeebub 01:10:24 10/16/17 (8)
- RE: There is this: - Charles Hansen 06:49:03 10/16/17 (7)
- RE: There is this: - Mel 20:11:13 10/18/17 (0)
- RE: There is this: - John Atkinson 10:59:37 10/17/17 (5)
- RE: There is this: - Mel 08:28:56 10/18/17 (0)
- RE: There is this: - Charles Hansen 02:09:10 10/18/17 (2)
- Did I really say that? - stehno 00:02:49 10/19/17 (1)
- RE: Did I really say that? - Frihed89 15:54:16 11/2/17 (0)
- RE: There is this: - Ivan303 19:45:49 10/17/17 (0)
- I stand corrrected - 4everyoung 08:57:01 10/15/17 (10)
- RE: I stand corrrected - Charles Hansen 19:13:39 10/15/17 (7)
- Sounds like - Jim Austin 09:10:35 10/16/17 (6)
- Sounds like you didn't read the article - DAP 09:40:23 10/16/17 (5)
- It's true. - Jim Austin 10:05:48 10/16/17 (4)
- Good point about the missing citations for the finance claims nt - DAP 11:32:11 10/16/17 (3)
- RE: Good point about the missing citations for the finance claims nt - 4everyoung 12:28:47 10/16/17 (2)
- Privately held British companies do indeed have certain financial disclosure rules... - Ivan303 14:18:32 10/16/17 (1)
- Anybody can look up the history and financials of Meridian - Charles Hansen 02:16:44 10/18/17 (0)
- RE: I stand corrrected - bigshow 17:31:23 10/15/17 (1)
- RE: I stand corrrected - 4everyoung 18:56:42 10/15/17 (0)
- RE: Why Can't The Audio Magazines Do This? - BubbaMike 11:08:24 10/10/17 (6)
- Lots of people can't tell the difference between - oldmkvi 07:51:15 10/13/17 (3)
- RE: Lots of people can't tell the difference between - BubbaMike 13:06:53 10/13/17 (2)
- Hmm. You should re-read his post. Think you misunderstood it. nt - Rick W 16:45:00 10/13/17 (1)
- RE: Hmm. You should re-read his post. Think you misunderstood it. nt - BubbaMike 00:16:22 10/14/17 (0)
- +1...(nt) - mkuller 16:10:30 10/10/17 (0)
- You Are Right... - Doug Schneider 11:32:07 10/10/17 (0)
- This kind of says it all with MQA - RGA 21:08:00 10/7/17 (33)
- "the buyer confused, buys nothing"Gilbert Briggs founder, Wharfedale - Cleantimestream 05:23:51 10/11/17 (1)
- RE: "the buyer confused, buys nothing"Gilbert Briggs founder, Wharfedale - BubbaMike 11:27:08 10/11/17 (0)
- RE: This kind of says it all with MQA - stehno 22:36:08 10/8/17 (9)
- Well, many high end audio enthusiasts want to hear... - musetap 22:54:50 10/8/17 (8)
- This all started with CD.. and reselling the same old back catalog for big money. Doing it again, and again.. - 3+4=5 14:02:18 10/9/17 (5)
- Don't forget... - E-Stat 10:13:34 10/10/17 (1)
- Damn, did I miss one? /nm/ - tketcham 16:51:07 10/11/17 (0)
- Yeah, can we sell another 10m copies of Thriller?... - musetap 14:14:39 10/9/17 (2)
- The guy I did the most for his retirement was Bob Dylan. Rebuying the same music over and over and over and... - 3+4=5 20:27:37 10/9/17 (1)
- The Dylan catalog IS a cottage industry unto itself... - musetap 21:11:39 10/9/17 (0)
- RE: So long as you have a hope, it's okay for others to hoodwink you... - stehno 23:30:08 10/8/17 (1)
- Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me... - musetap 12:01:04 10/9/17 (0)
- RE: This kind of says it all with MQA - Jim Austin 22:06:49 10/7/17 (20)
- RE: This kind of says it all with MQA - RGA 23:42:32 10/7/17 (19)
- My position - Jim Austin 07:17:39 10/8/17 (18)
- RE: My position - Dave_K 05:53:58 10/9/17 (4)
- RE: My position - Jim Austin 06:19:24 10/9/17 (3)
- Have you bought an MQA compatible dac? - Rick W 09:02:44 10/9/17 (2)
- RE: Have you bought an MQA compatible dac? - Jim Austin 09:10:33 10/9/17 (1)
- Thanks for the quick reply. nt - Rick W 09:32:41 10/9/17 (0)
- You make perfect sense to me - 4everyoung 21:15:52 10/8/17 (0)
- RE: My position - RGA 18:53:59 10/8/17 (1)
- RE: My position - Jim Austin 20:52:56 10/8/17 (0)
- RE: My position - Charles Hansen 08:13:57 10/8/17 (9)
- Charles, you are morphing into Isaak J. Garvey! - 13th Duke of Wymbourne 12:01:05 10/9/17 (2)
- "The provenance and remastering of recordings has been a grey area for decades now." - Rick W 12:23:43 10/9/17 (1)
- True that... - musetap 13:08:57 10/9/17 (0)
- RE: My position - Jim Austin 08:38:56 10/8/17 (5)
- RE: My position - John Atkinson 04:20:41 10/9/17 (0)
- RE: My position - Charles Hansen 08:51:57 10/8/17 (3)
- Is that what I'm doing? - Jim Austin 08:59:36 10/8/17 (2)
- RE: Is that what I'm doing? - Charles Hansen 17:45:04 10/8/17 (1)
- RE: Is that what I'm doing? - mcgilroy 05:46:00 10/27/17 (0)
- P.S. - Jim Austin 14:09:42 10/7/17 (19)
- So it SHOULD sound better... - Ivan303 20:26:13 10/7/17 (18)
- It seems that "Master Quality Authenication" - E-Stat 10:09:32 10/9/17 (0)
- Well apparently ... - Jim Austin 06:09:32 10/8/17 (11)
- The vaults were already unlocked - Dave_K 04:12:30 10/9/17 (1)
- Interesting POV... - musetap 12:07:21 10/9/17 (0)
- RE: Well apparently ... - Charles Hansen 07:51:04 10/8/17 (8)
- That's what I'd do if I were in the 'label's' position.... - Ivan303 08:02:57 10/8/17 (6)
- RE: That's what I'd do if I were in the 'label's' position.... - Charles Hansen 17:32:00 10/8/17 (4)
- RE: That's what I'd do if I were in the 'label's' position.... - jamesgarvin 23:28:56 10/9/17 (1)
- Articulate, thoughtful post, James. /nm/ - tketcham 03:39:36 10/10/17 (0)
- RE: That's what I'd do if I were in the 'label's' position.... - RGA 18:59:21 10/8/17 (0)
- Best Post Ever on the State of the Music Industry?... - musetap 17:53:44 10/8/17 (0)
- Downstream? - Jim Austin 09:50:20 10/8/17 (0)
- For what it's worth ... - Jim Austin 08:01:57 10/8/17 (0)
- RE: So it SHOULD sound better... - Charles Hansen 02:23:48 10/8/17 (0)
- RE: So it SHOULD sound better... - Jim Austin 20:33:09 10/7/17 (3)
- DRM in this case is quite simple.... - Ivan303 20:43:26 10/7/17 (2)
- RE: DRM in this case is quite simple.... - Jim Austin 20:49:01 10/7/17 (1)
- RE: DRM in this case is quite simple.... - Charles Hansen 03:08:31 10/8/17 (0)
- Respectfully ... - Jim Austin 10:59:19 10/7/17 (45)
- Well ... - DAP 09:49:07 10/10/17 (0)
- "....they pursue the best quality masters...." ?? - Rick W 13:17:31 10/7/17 (12)
- RE: "....they pursue the best quality masters...." ?? - Jim Austin 13:26:03 10/7/17 (11)
- Some of that seems ridiculous to me. - Rick W 15:11:44 10/7/17 (10)
- You do realize ... - Jim Austin 15:37:34 10/7/17 (9)
- Hmm.... - Rick W 17:06:25 10/7/17 (8)
- RE: Hmm.... - Jim Austin 17:51:25 10/7/17 (7)
- RE: Hmm.... - Dave_K 04:34:19 10/9/17 (1)
- Thanks. - Jim Austin 05:57:03 10/9/17 (0)
- RE: Hmm.... - Rick W 20:17:58 10/7/17 (4)
- RE: Hmm.... - RGA 23:57:19 10/7/17 (3)
- "the best, most authentic masters they can find"/ Master Quality Authenticated... - musetap 17:43:55 10/8/17 (0)
- RE: Hmm.... - Charles Hansen 02:17:45 10/8/17 (1)
- RE: Hmm.... - RGA 04:22:08 10/8/17 (0)
- RE: Respectfully ... - Frihed89 12:56:34 10/7/17 (30)
- The Masters Matter Way More... - Doug Schneider 13:41:48 10/7/17 (20)
- So the master was taken to be re-mastered for optimum playback on various formats?... - musetap 16:29:35 10/7/17 (19)
- RE: So the master was taken to be re-mastered for optimum playback on various formats?... - Doug Schneider 17:02:32 10/7/17 (18)
- RE: So the master was taken to be re-mastered for optimum playback on various formats?... - Jim Austin 18:09:07 10/7/17 (17)
- RE: So the master was taken to be re-mastered for optimum playback on various formats?... - Doug Schneider 19:30:05 10/7/17 (11)
- Bob Ludwig do? - Jim Austin 20:02:09 10/7/17 (10)
- RE: Bob Ludwig do? - Doug Schneider 09:23:41 10/8/17 (6)
- RE: Bob Ludwig do? - Jim Austin 09:49:36 10/8/17 (5)
- "....the output of the recording studio before it is mastered." Jeez, it ain't rocket science. - Rick W 11:45:50 10/8/17 (1)
- I beg to differ: it's ALL rocket science.... - musetap 13:13:04 10/9/17 (0)
- The Point... - Doug Schneider 10:42:15 10/8/17 (2)
- RE: The Point... - Jim Austin 10:47:26 10/8/17 (1)
- RE: The Point... - Doug Schneider 13:05:46 10/8/17 (0)
- Bob Ludwig do? - musetap 21:55:13 10/7/17 (2)
- RE: Bob Ludwig do? - Jim Austin 22:01:37 10/7/17 (1)
- In which case BMOH should be the terminology... - musetap 08:12:21 10/8/17 (0)
- RE: So the master was taken to be re-mastered for optimum playback on various formats?... - ahendler 18:22:40 10/7/17 (4)
- You are free ... - Jim Austin 18:31:27 10/7/17 (3)
- RE: You are free ... - ahendler 15:52:56 10/8/17 (1)
- Don't mention it. ;-) - Jim Austin 16:19:33 10/8/17 (0)
- RE: You are free ... - Charles Hansen 01:45:27 10/8/17 (0)
- You'll need to help me out here. - Jim Austin 13:31:31 10/7/17 (8)
- RE: You'll need to help me out here. - Charles Hansen 01:50:42 10/8/17 (7)
- RE: You'll need to help me out here. - BubbaMike 11:38:06 10/11/17 (2)
- So who's the industry in this case? - Jim Austin 19:11:59 10/12/17 (1)
- RE: So who's the industry in this case? - Charles Hansen 02:29:12 10/13/17 (0)
- I'll answer for me--not Stereophile - Jim Austin 10:09:13 10/10/17 (0)
- Charles, I'll bet dollars-to-donuts you already know the answer ... - stehno 19:37:13 10/9/17 (2)
- RE: Charles, I'll bet dollars-to-donuts you already know the answer ... - Charles Hansen 02:19:40 10/18/17 (0)
- RE: Charles, I'll bet dollars-to-donuts you already know the answer ... - Jay 14:27:02 10/15/17 (0)
- So the I guess the question would be... - Ivan303 07:35:30 10/7/17 (4)
- RE: So the I guess the question would be... - Charles Hansen 01:31:36 10/8/17 (0)
- RE: So the I guess the question would be... - Doug Schneider 09:54:04 10/7/17 (2)
- My point exactly... - Ivan303 20:21:36 10/7/17 (0)
- ??? " his point was the mastering process matters much more." - musetap 16:20:55 10/7/17 (0)
- RE: Why Can't The Audio Magazines Do This? - Doug Schneider 07:16:00 10/7/17 (1)
- RE: Why Can't The Audio Magazines Do This? - Charles Hansen 01:24:39 10/8/17 (0)
- Nice work. nt - Frihed89 03:27:29 10/7/17 (0)
Follow Ups
- RE: It will be interesting to hear John Atkinson's response - John Atkinson 10/21/1710:10:58 10/21/17 (5)
- RE: It will be interesting to hear John Atkinson's response - DAP 15:43:31 10/23/17 (2)
- RE: It will be interesting to hear John Atkinson's response - Charles Hansen 22:02:41 10/23/17 (0)
- RE: It will be interesting to hear John Atkinson's response - stehno 21:12:48 10/23/17 (0)
- RE: It will be interesting to hear John Atkinson's response - Charles Hansen 12:49:57 10/21/17 (0)
- RE: NDAs - Krav Maga 10:52:06 10/21/17 (0)