In Reply to: Is soundstaging important? posted by Gary on April 19, 2016 at 17:44:02:
I'm going to run a little long on this, so if you want quick stuff, move on.
Soundstaging in the concert hall rarely happens. Most times when you are in a concert or opera hall, if you close your eyes, the sound comes from a very ill-defined fog in front of you. I have experienced exceptions, and have learned that the horseshoe-shaped opera houses in particular can send the sound to some very weird places.
The Met from up top:
I had never sat in the top ring near the front of the house before. The singers' voices reached me directly, and sounded wonderful. The orchestra sound came at me from straight ahead, as if someone lifted the orchestra up eighty feet or so, and the musicians were sitting just a few feet in front of me. It was very direct, beautifully balanced, hugely involving from the very first note, and loud. Still, with eyes closed, I had no clue which instruments were to the left, or right, or rear, or front, except for the fire-engine red harp, which seemed to be slightly above and to the right the rest. I have sat pretty much everywhere else in the house over the last forty years or so, and the "eyes closed" test always comes up with spatial info that tells my brain nothing, other than "somewhat in front of you," or maybe "overhead," or, if on a side ring, "somewhat in front of you and somewhat on top of you." Sound does weird things as it bangs around on side rings.
Carnegie side boxes:
Again I'm in the cheap seats, about half-way back. Carnegie is just nicely balanced pretty much everywhere. If you are in an upper ring on the side, you can kinda sorta make out where the instruments actually are if you close your eyes. Eyes closed from this seat *does* give one very particular spatial clue: you can clearly hear the sound travel from the stage to the back of the hall. None of that works if you're down on the floor or up in Family Circle, but is pretty consistent on the side boxes as long as you are in the front of the box. (Rear seats on the side muddies everything, as you head is next to the wall.)
Avery Fisher/Geffen Hall
Mud, all the time, every time. Can't tell nuttin. Orchestra balance varies wildly, and imbalances seem to be worst out in the middle of the hall. If the brass are too loud, they'll sound like they're in the middle of your head, cracking it apart. (They are.) The only time I can tell where instruments are with my eyes closed is if I'm in the first few rows. That's the place to sit, as the hall's effects on the sound are minimized. Exception: during the summertime Mostly Mozart series they move the orchestra out onto a platform over the first fifteen rows of the audience, and put additional audience seating on what used to be the stage. Much better balanced, but "eyes closed" will tell you nothing about instrument placement.
Dizzy's Coca Cola Club:
Close your eyes here and you'll know exactly where each instrument is. Most jazz clubs are so tiny the space gets overpowered; here the sound is luscious, and you can certainly pinpoint instruments. Elegant, civilized, and, thanks to subsidies, not frighteningly expensive.
The point of all this is that "soundstaging" is, for me, largely an artifice of the recording/reproducing process. Still, when it's clear through my ancient Spica TC-50s, it is compelling, and an indication that the system is setup about right, so that's a good thing.
WW
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Follow Ups
- soundstaging - Bill Way 04/21/1613:43:42 04/21/16 (25)
- you'd be hard-pressed to find a recording that employs those perspectives! - Ralph 13:26:11 04/22/16 (19)
- front row center in an opera house - Bill Way 23:42:45 05/1/16 (0)
- Nope and nope - Analog Scott 07:11:39 04/23/16 (17)
- RE: Nope and nope - vinyl survivor 22:19:51 04/26/16 (1)
- "The right playback system?" - Analog Scott 06:20:13 04/27/16 (0)
- speak for yourself! - Ralph 09:58:25 04/25/16 (12)
- RE: speak for yourself! - Analog Scott 20:35:58 04/25/16 (11)
- RE: speak for yourself! - Ralph 08:20:54 04/26/16 (10)
- RE: speak for yourself! - Analog Scott 13:56:12 04/26/16 (9)
- Actually no - Ralph 14:14:47 04/26/16 (8)
- RE: Actually no - Analog Scott 17:20:46 04/26/16 (7)
- RE: Actually no - Ralph 08:47:54 04/27/16 (6)
- " Go to a live concert and get a good seat." - Analog Scott 17:17:12 04/27/16 (2)
- What extrapolation? - Ralph 09:53:58 04/28/16 (1)
- RE: What extrapolation? - Analog Scott 14:00:28 04/28/16 (0)
- RE: Actually no - A.Wayne 10:50:11 04/27/16 (2)
- I don't find that to be the case - Ralph 11:58:57 04/27/16 (1)
- RE: I don't find that to be the case - A.Wayne 12:37:12 04/27/16 (0)
- RE: Nope and nope - morricab 14:25:14 04/23/16 (1)
- RE: Nope and nope - Analog Scott 22:52:14 04/23/16 (0)
- I'm delighted you agree! - E-Stat 06:24:20 04/22/16 (0)
- Excellent post!!!! - Analog Scott 21:35:14 04/21/16 (0)
- RE: soundstaging - Gary 16:00:25 04/21/16 (2)
- NYC venues - Bill Way 16:25:42 04/21/16 (1)
- Now that's a useful list - Gary 16:32:42 04/21/16 (0)