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Topic - Has anybody here ever bought a piece of equipment solely from it's measured specs? - Ozzie 06:34:51 12/5/06 (231)

Re: Has anybody here ever bought a piece of equipment solely from it's measured specs? - hahax@verizon.net 09:12:52 12/10/06 (0)

Sure, why not? I have never auditioned a single component before purchase. - Garth 00:31:00 12/8/06 (0)

DB Systems DBR-15B preamp and DB-4B head amp - Atexanathome 18:38:05 12/7/06 (0)

Yes - Stale 16:43:35 12/6/06 (0)

Yep, test gear... - Thomas Martens 13:53:04 12/6/06 (0)

Yes - E-Stat 11:40:53 12/6/06 (0)

How else could anyone buy wires? - Richard BassNut Greene 09:12:21 12/6/06 (110)

Richard: Ever tried to ascertain from dealer . . . - goldenthal 13:42:41 12/9/06 (1)

Re: Richard: Ever tried to ascertain from dealer . . . - Ozzie 19:16:17 12/11/06 (0)

Are you unfamiliar with J. Risch's controlled blind listening - bjh 05:00:19 12/9/06 (6)

Risch claims are so far beyond anyone else's experiences that it's obvious he's lying. Do you believe ANYTHING claimed? - Richard BassNut Greene 10:17:30 12/9/06 (5)

Ah, the real Mr. Nut! Not just amphibian, swims and breaths in MUD! nt - bjh 11:23:25 12/9/06 (4)

LOL! Has the Nut ever had an AES paper on his work printed?...(nt) - mkuller 11:46:13 12/9/06 (3)

The paper was common sense advice on how to listen when comparing components - Richard BassNut Greene 12:29:37 12/9/06 (0)

Well I heard he delivering the Keynote for LLPOFCOA this year. - bjh 11:56:10 12/9/06 (1)

I don't mind being insulted when it's funny and this post was funny - Richard BassNut Greene 12:37:51 12/9/06 (0)

A modest proposal: - regmac 07:46:03 12/7/06 (42)

bjh and Mikey both live in killer music towns. - Ozzie 12:54:49 12/7/06 (0)

You're missing the point - or is it the boat... - mkuller 10:58:39 12/7/06 (40)

Mekey, I'd rather be listening... - Ozzie 19:22:35 12/11/06 (2)

So when are you bringing some over?...(nt) - mkuller 15:58:25 12/13/06 (1)

Re: So when are you bringing some over?...(nt) - Ozzie 16:07:10 12/13/06 (0)

You're only "point" = (If I am not happy with the test results, then the test was an "amatuer DBT" ) ! - Richard BassNut Greene 10:25:05 12/9/06 (0)

Re: You're missing the point - or is it the boat... - regmac 14:22:13 12/7/06 (20)

Re: You're missing the boat... - mkuller 17:04:44 12/7/06 (19)

The boat... - Ozzie 19:35:17 12/11/06 (2)

Ok, cable differences... - mkuller 16:06:09 12/13/06 (1)

Re: Ok, cable differences... - Ozzie 15:17:51 12/14/06 (0)

Re: You're missing the boat... - regmac 18:23:39 12/7/06 (15)

Evidence... - mkuller 20:09:52 12/7/06 (14)

Grasping at straws, MKULLER? - regmac 09:50:48 12/8/06 (13)

Re: Grasping at straws, MKULLER? - Pat D 18:15:21 12/8/06 (7)

Oh PatD, now you're telling little fibs... - mkuller 10:26:59 12/9/06 (5)

Very careless use of quotation marks, but they were meant to indicate what you do and were not a direct quote. - Pat D 15:08:46 12/9/06 (4)

Caught in the act ... now blabbing like an IDIOT. What else is new? nt - bjh 15:40:52 12/9/06 (3)

An ad hominem argument is still a fallacy whether it is true or not. - Pat D 19:45:46 12/9/06 (2)

STFU! Oh that was rude. I forgive myself. All better. ROTFLMFAO nt - bjh 06:56:30 12/10/06 (1)

Yes, that was rude but not an ad hominem argument. - Pat D 10:18:25 12/10/06 (0)

Seems unlikely Pat-D-cake! - bjh 06:14:12 12/9/06 (0)

Are you calling JJ a liar? He's very sensitive about that I'll have you know! - bjh 11:16:25 12/8/06 (3)

Regmac is an honest man--no need to chastise him. - Pat D 18:17:00 12/8/06 (2)

Since you are dishonest above about me, therefore...(nt) - mkuller 11:11:51 12/9/06 (1)

An ad hominem argument is still a fallacy whether it is true or not. - Pat D 15:14:46 12/9/06 (0)

Right - your little test would have been MUCH more definitive...(nt) - mkuller 10:02:15 12/8/06 (0)

The power of disbelief and preconceived notions. - Bruce Kendall 11:37:09 12/7/06 (14)

Chicken or egg? - mkuller 12/7/0612:03:20 12/7/06 (13)

Re: Chicken or egg? - Ozzie 13:00:23 12/7/06 (2)

We are all subjectivists - Sordidman 13:21:45 12/7/06 (0)

As an audiophile... - mkuller 13:11:07 12/7/06 (0)

As for mysteries ... - bjh 12:24:25 12/7/06 (9)

Re: As for mysteries ... - Ozzie 13:06:08 12/7/06 (0)

That is because those who don't think cables make a difference - Bruce Kendall 12:41:14 12/7/06 (6)

Re: That is because those who don't think cables make a difference - Ozzie 13:16:37 12/7/06 (5)

Shows... - mkuller 17:08:32 12/7/06 (2)

Re: Shows... - Ozzie 10:48:25 12/11/06 (1)

Music at the shows... - mkuller 16:26:59 12/13/06 (0)

You're built too low, the fast ones are flying over your head! - Bruce Kendall 13:32:47 12/7/06 (1)

Re: You're built too low, the fast ones are flying over your head! - Ozzie 10:55:05 12/11/06 (0)

Re: As for mysteries ... - kerr 12:35:11 12/7/06 (0)

Please don't make an... - mkuller 17:21:06 12/6/06 (10)

Better read more carefully. - Pat D 20:21:07 12/6/06 (9)

Actually, the qualifier used... - robert young 09:06:56 12/7/06 (8)

Re: Actually, the qualifier used... - Pat D 12:54:54 12/7/06 (7)

And those "conditions" are... - robert young 13:39:12 12/7/06 (4)

Not proven doesn't imply does not happen. - Pat D 16:01:24 12/7/06 (3)

*sigh* I don't need to prove it, Pat. - robert young 08:40:31 12/8/06 (2)

Pardon me, then. - Pat D 17:49:32 12/8/06 (1)

I completely agree...(nt) - robert young 18:50:35 12/8/06 (0)

So you're saying Mr. Nut is just wrong - we agree...(nt) - mkuller 13:04:24 12/7/06 (1)

Nope. You need to learn about universal and particular propositions [ "every" and "some"]. - Pat D 13:21:48 12/7/06 (0)

Re: How else could anyone buy wires? - bjh 10:34:40 12/6/06 (19)

Your alleged "evidence" that wires have audible differences is so pitiful a judge would throw you out of court! - Richard BassNut Greene 12:08:59 12/6/06 (12)

First this "expected" false positives is complete and utter BS! I won't even waste my time! - bjh 13:10:55 12/6/06 (11)

Wow, 7 paragraphs of wasted time? - Ozzie 06:43:57 12/7/06 (0)

Well, if you look in more detail at the report on the DBT in Stereophile for July 1989 - Pat D 14:28:42 12/6/06 (9)

Pat, the point is that the test taken as a whole produced - bjh 15:41:41 12/6/06 (8)

Tests are for individuals to better understand what they really hear -- you don't average the results - Richard BassNut Greene 11:41:32 12/7/06 (0)

The tests showed a positive result. Why continue to whine about it? - Pat D 19:38:59 12/6/06 (6)

Re: The tests showed a positive result. Why continue to whine about it? - regmac 07:56:00 12/7/06 (3)

Re: The tests showed a positive result. Why continue to whine about it? - Pat D 08:16:59 12/7/06 (2)

Re: Thanks for the link -nt - theaudiohobby 14:47:48 12/8/06 (1)

You're most welcome! (nt) - Pat D 17:47:56 12/8/06 (0)

This so reminds me of past exchanges and - bjh 21:04:12 12/6/06 (1)

Re: This so reminds me of past exchanges and - Pat D 13:06:48 12/7/06 (0)

Re: How else could anyone buy wires? - Ozzie 10:59:30 12/6/06 (5)

You don't read very well do you. - bjh 11:10:29 12/6/06 (4)

I took it in another direction. - Ozzie 07:01:19 12/7/06 (0)

Maybe so, but you don't think very well do you? ... It was a wire compared with itself, not two different wires! - Richard BassNut Greene 12:12:20 12/6/06 (2)

"A wire connected as the manufacturer recommended versus THE SAME WIRE connected improperly" !!!! WOW !!!! .... - bjh 12:35:32 12/6/06 (1)

Maybe the wire sounded awful both ways it was connected? - Richard BassNut Greene 11:43:46 12/7/06 (0)

Re: How else could anyone buy wires? - Sordidman 09:29:08 12/6/06 (7)

To refute my statement it would help to address the statement in your post (vs. blathering about Italy & Winona Ryder - Richard BassNut Greene 12:20:39 12/6/06 (6)

S-alright there RBNG..... - Sordidman 17:34:33 12/6/06 (0)

Ever wonder why someone hasn't proven it to your satisfaction? - Bruce Kendall 12:48:34 12/6/06 (3)

Re: Ever wonder why someone hasn't proven it to your satisfaction? - Ozzie 10:53:42 12/7/06 (0)

dozens of companies who manufacture and sell cables and wires for audio use continue to thrive - GTF 05:36:08 12/7/06 (1)

Wow! There is an apples to apples comparison! - Bruce Kendall 10:44:27 12/7/06 (0)

I may be an audio subjectivist, but... - kerr 12:25:22 12/6/06 (0)

Since when do audiophile cable... - mkuller 09:18:39 12/6/06 (18)

Well I finally agree with you. The wire "price spec" is by far the most important number of all. - Richard BassNut Greene 12:26:39 12/6/06 (0)

Some do - E-Stat 11:09:41 12/6/06 (16)

Re: Some do - Ozzie 10:58:14 12/7/06 (12)

I was talking about speaker cables - E-Stat 11:38:05 12/7/06 (11)

I'll give you that second harmonic thing. - Ozzie 12:56:54 12/7/06 (8)

And greater inherent device linearity - E-Stat 13:01:48 12/7/06 (7)

I listen to Nelson's best stuff on a regular basis thank you. - Ozzie 14:32:45 12/7/06 (6)

Need to work on the speed reading skills - E-Stat 15:41:10 12/7/06 (5)

Re: Need to work on the speed reading skills - Ozzie 11:08:41 12/11/06 (4)

Why would pointing out your inattention "step on my id"? - E-Stat 15:59:17 12/11/06 (3)

Re: Why would pointing out your inattention "step on my id"? - Ozzie 20:08:25 12/11/06 (2)

More... - E-Stat 05:57:48 12/12/06 (1)

But I should add... - E-Stat 08:53:43 12/12/06 (0)

"Nope" LOL ... It never ends! LOL nt - bjh 11:40:34 12/7/06 (1)

I didn't bother to ask - E-Stat 11:48:12 12/7/06 (0)

But to what end? - Steve Eddy 12:03:08 12/6/06 (2)

Coming from a cable manufacturer... - Ozzie 11:00:39 12/7/06 (0)

That wasn't the question I was answering :) - E-Stat 13:31:22 12/6/06 (0)

I didn't know I had a ghostwriter! - KlausR. 02:04:35 12/6/06 (44)

Re: I didn't know I had a ghostwriter! - regmac 08:09:34 12/7/06 (1)

Re: I didn't know I had a ghostwriter! - kerr 08:46:43 12/7/06 (0)

Hmmm. - Stale 19:25:35 12/6/06 (6)

Re: Hmmm. - bwaslo 06:41:25 12/8/06 (1)

? (nt) - Stale 20:26:50 12/8/06 (0)

Just give it a 2nd thought... - KlausR. 01:59:59 12/7/06 (3)

I got it. - Stale 10:24:32 12/7/06 (2)

Re: I got it. - Pat D 18:23:30 12/8/06 (1)

Re: I got it. - Stale 20:42:13 12/8/06 (0)

Re: I didn't know I had a ghostwriter! - Steve Eddy 09:37:42 12/6/06 (4)

Re: I didn't know I had a ghostwriter! - KlausR. 22:25:42 12/6/06 (1)

Re: I didn't know I had a ghostwriter! - Steve Eddy 00:59:08 12/7/06 (0)

Re: I didn't know I had a ghostwriter! - Dan Banquer 16:40:34 12/6/06 (1)

Quite so! nt - markrohr 14:06:09 12/7/06 (0)

Re: I didn't know I had a ghostwriter! - kerr 04:46:39 12/6/06 (11)

Re: you're getting less than what you really want - KlausR. 06:41:36 12/6/06 (10)

It's great that you believe that you've achieved certainty - Sordidman 09:19:25 12/6/06 (9)

Please don't put words into my mouth!! - KlausR. 00:10:25 12/7/06 (4)

You said what you said....... - Sordidman 09:23:08 12/7/06 (1)

Re: You said what you said....... - KlausR. 00:49:37 12/8/06 (0)

Re: Please don't put words into my mouth!! - morricab 02:33:55 12/7/06 (1)

Did you get my mail? - KlausR. 04:17:13 12/7/06 (0)

And just WHAT in Klaus's post brought on your diatribe? - Pat D 12:54:56 12/6/06 (3)

Re: And just WHAT in Klaus's post brought on your diatribe? - Sordidman 16:31:35 12/6/06 (2)

Re: And just WHAT in Klaus's post brought on your diatribe? - Pat D 19:48:38 12/6/06 (1)

It wasn't a diatribe and the implication in his post brought that response -t - Sordidman 11:33:38 12/7/06 (0)

Re: I didn't know I had a ghostwriter! - Ozzy 04:07:33 12/6/06 (5)

Audio is actually not my hobby... - KlausR. 06:29:31 12/6/06 (4)

Which you refuse to tell anyone what it is -t - Sordidman 10:12:07 12/6/06 (3)

Why don't you look in Inmate Systems, silly?!! - Pat D 13:02:38 12/6/06 (2)

Yeah, - my bad, - excuse me...... -t - Sordidman 16:16:37 12/6/06 (0)

Perhaps he mistook KlausR. for so other "objectivist" that doesn't list a system. Those "objectivists" are so - bjh 13:23:48 12/6/06 (0)

Re: I didn't know I had a ghostwriter! - morricab 03:02:31 12/6/06 (11)

Re: I didn't know I had a ghostwriter! - Ozzie 08:37:26 12/6/06 (2)

Re: I didn't know I had a ghostwriter! - morricab 02:49:43 12/7/06 (1)

Re: I didn't know I had a ghostwriter! - Ozzie 11:12:00 12/7/06 (0)

Re: I didn't know I had a ghostwriter! - KlausR. 04:37:58 12/6/06 (7)

Re: I didn't know I had a ghostwriter! - morricab 07:31:21 12/6/06 (4)

OMG! Maybe a battle of the Titans!! - Pat D 14:36:51 12/6/06 (3)

Re: OMG! Maybe a battle of the Titans!! - morricab 02:52:44 12/7/06 (1)

Re: OMG! Maybe a battle of the Titans!! - Pat D 12:45:17 12/7/06 (0)

"I think you'd probably like his system" It's got great specs. after all! LOL nt - bjh 15:19:10 12/6/06 (0)

I guess that explains just about everything :) - E-Stat 07:11:31 12/6/06 (1)

Re: I guess that explains just about everything :) - morricab 07:37:00 12/6/06 (0)

Believe it or not someone is on record here at the AA stating: - bjh 12:19:37 12/5/06 (47)

One only? - Stale 16:42:48 12/6/06 (0)

Teething problems? - KlausR. 21:56:26 12/5/06 (0)

Sounds like SM to me - E-Stat 19:50:06 12/5/06 (0)

Re: Believe it or not someone is on record here at the AA stating: - TomLarson 13:46:42 12/5/06 (5)

Perfectly reasonable, considering the basic Objectivist POV - kerr 04:39:13 12/6/06 (0)

OK, 'half-wit' then! I see no reason to be difficult. ;) nt - bjh 15:14:43 12/5/06 (3)

No reason to be here. - Ozzie 08:48:31 12/6/06 (1)

Re: No reason to be here. - bjh 10:13:08 12/6/06 (0)

Re: OK, 'half-wit' then! I see no reason to be difficult. ;) nt - TomLarson 16:15:36 12/5/06 (0)

I will guess... - mkuller 13:15:16 12/5/06 (0)

Re: Believe it or not someone is on record here at the AA stating: - Steve Eddy 12:40:13 12/5/06 (4)

Who? *****, or *****? -t - Bruce Kendall 13:05:12 12/5/06 (3)

Oh. It's *****, not *****. Sorry for the confusion. nt - Steve Eddy 14:30:56 12/5/06 (2)

I just knew it. -t - Bruce Kendall 14:35:22 12/5/06 (1)

Was a complete surprise to me. nt - Steve Eddy 14:57:57 12/5/06 (0)

"Let's play ... Name the Idiot! " - Richard BassNut Greene 12:23:14 12/5/06 (31)

Nope, but here's a hint ... it's the - bjh 12:35:20 12/5/06 (27)

KlausR - kerr 12:37:46 12/5/06 (26)

We all are. - Ozzie 08:51:03 12/6/06 (2)

Heh, heh! - kerr 09:46:15 12/6/06 (1)

Re: Heh, heh! - Ozzie 11:00:25 12/6/06 (0)

No way! Did he really!!?? Go on!, I was just making it up! Impossible! Come on, you're kidding, right? nt - bjh 12:48:09 12/5/06 (22)

It's not something I'll soon forget - kerr 12:59:20 12/5/06 (21)

Re: that perfect preamp he raves about - KlausR. 03:08:00 12/6/06 (20)

Re: that perfect preamp he raves about - kerr 04:35:20 12/6/06 (19)

Re: that perfect preamp he raves about - Ozzie 08:53:14 12/6/06 (15)

Do Tell! - kerr 09:42:52 12/6/06 (14)

Re: Do Tell! - morricab 02:57:16 12/7/06 (2)

Re: Do Tell! - kerr 04:43:30 12/7/06 (1)

Re: Do Tell! - morricab 06:55:25 12/7/06 (0)

Please email me off line. - Ozzie 11:04:30 12/6/06 (10)

Why so stingy? ... if you know of some giant killer then let it out! - bjh 11:22:40 12/6/06 (9)

Re: Why so stingy? ... if you know of some giant killer then let it out! - Ozzie 11:09:13 12/7/06 (8)

"People are not allowed to sell on these pages. Nor am I a salesman." - bjh 11:16:33 12/7/06 (7)

Looking for a new faceplate? - Ozzie 14:43:30 12/7/06 (6)

Another P.S. - bjh 07:26:15 12/8/06 (0)

Oh little one, here on the AA likely 1000s of product recommendations - bjh 03:54:18 12/8/06 (4)

Re: Oh little one, here on the AA likely 1000s of product recommendations - Ozzie 11:18:35 12/11/06 (3)

A little deep thought on the significance of your disapproval of my choices .... Hmmmmm ... - bjh 16:54:43 12/12/06 (2)

The only deep thought out of you is your creative insults. - Ozzie 06:44:20 12/13/06 (1)

Yaaaaaaaaaaawn nt - bjh 06:57:44 12/13/06 (0)

Perfect.Period. - KlausR. 05:30:59 12/6/06 (2)

Re: Perfect.Period. - morricab 07:35:55 12/6/06 (1)

Only features, indeed. - KlausR. 10:24:47 12/6/06 (0)

Sorry I now realize I mis-read the bjh post ... - Richard BassNut Greene 12:32:47 12/5/06 (2)

Hey, try a Bedini Clarifier to "clarify" your brain & eliminate your typical type-first-read-later character attack post - bjh 13:27:19 12/5/06 (1)

Hey you made a joke instead of taking audio so seriously! - Richard BassNut Greene 07:55:52 12/6/06 (0)

Try posting this on Prop Head - more rigid objectivists there...(nt) - mkuller 11:40:51 12/5/06 (0)

Re: Has anybody here ever bought a piece of equipment solely from it's measured specs? - Pat D 11:36:29 12/5/06 (0)

Can we add one small phrase? - kerr 09:57:37 12/5/06 (4)

Maybe I should rephrase the question. - Ozzie 11:12:18 12/5/06 (3)

I appreciate your zeal. Apparently there is a need somewhere for someone to carry that banner. - Bruce Kendall 11:20:02 12/5/06 (2)

Re: I appreciate your zeal. Apparently there is a need somewhere for someone to carry that banner. - Ozzie 19:09:45 12/11/06 (0)

It's never gonna stop Bruce - Sordidman 15:53:19 12/5/06 (0)

As A Former Stereo Review Reader, Of Course! - Luminator 09:57:06 12/5/06 (7)

Re: As A Former Stereo Review Reader, Of Course! - Ozzie 11:29:27 12/5/06 (0)

Re: As A Former Stereo Review Reader, Of Course! - Pat D 10:45:29 12/5/06 (5)

Re: As A Former Stereo Review Reader, Of Course! - Ozzie 11:16:45 12/5/06 (4)

Re: As A Former Stereo Review Reader, Of Course! - Pat D 11:26:50 12/5/06 (3)

julian - hifitommy 18:30:41 12/5/06 (2)

Re: julian - Pat D 06:27:56 12/6/06 (1)

a speaker has its fans - hifitommy 19:49:49 12/6/06 (0)

Where do you find measured specs without a review? - Ted Smith 08:26:12 12/5/06 (1)

You got me there Tedster... - Ozzie 10:20:57 12/5/06 (0)

Re: Has anybody here ever bought a piece of equipment solely from it's measured specs? - Srajan Ebaen 07:34:42 12/5/06 (3)

That makes total sense to me. - Bruce Kendall 13:58:41 12/5/06 (0)

Oh, God! :) - kerr 12:40:37 12/5/06 (0)

You're killing me. - Ozzie 08:20:48 12/5/06 (0)

Follow Ups

Chicken or egg? - mkuller 12/7/0612:03:20 12/7/06 (13)

Re: Chicken or egg? - Ozzie 13:00:23 12/7/06 (2)

We are all subjectivists - Sordidman 13:21:45 12/7/06 (0)

As an audiophile... - mkuller 13:11:07 12/7/06 (0)

As for mysteries ... - bjh 12:24:25 12/7/06 (9)

Re: As for mysteries ... - Ozzie 13:06:08 12/7/06 (0)

That is because those who don't think cables make a difference - Bruce Kendall 12:41:14 12/7/06 (6)

Re: That is because those who don't think cables make a difference - Ozzie 13:16:37 12/7/06 (5)

Shows... - mkuller 17:08:32 12/7/06 (2)

Re: Shows... - Ozzie 10:48:25 12/11/06 (1)

Music at the shows... - mkuller 16:26:59 12/13/06 (0)

You're built too low, the fast ones are flying over your head! - Bruce Kendall 13:32:47 12/7/06 (1)

Re: You're built too low, the fast ones are flying over your head! - Ozzie 10:55:05 12/11/06 (0)

Re: As for mysteries ... - kerr 12:35:11 12/7/06 (0)