(John Atkinson recently posted an interesting reply [linked below]
in a thread which was unfortunately "buried" way down on this page.
I have taken the liberty of moving this topic up the page.)JA wrote, "I think that over the years, each bullshit,bogus
'explanation' offered for some new tweak has eroded my
tolerance for tweaks in general."I agree that the explanations offered for many phenomena
accepted as audible (cables, cones, CD tweaks, AC filters,
amplifier circuits, etc.) are unsatisfying. But are they
really any worse than outright lies perpetrated by "respectable"
sources? Such as:1) Madrigal claiming they developed the adaptive bias circuit
used in their power amplifiers, when in fact it was taken
directly from a 1981 AES paper written by a Sansui engineer.2) Sony's claims of so-called "DSD" being a completely new format,
when for roughly 10 years prior to SACD's introduction virtually
all CDs were made with A/D converters that create "DSD" signals
then subsequently (and presumably magically) turned into PCM
simply by running them through a low-pass digital filter.3) Halcro's claims that their low-distortion amplifiers did not
use high levels of feedback, when their patents reveal these
designs to have extremely high levels of feedback.Personally my tolerance for tweaks has gone up significantly
over the years, for one simple reason -- they work. I'd rather
have good sound from my stereo than worry about whether the
explanations offered are the correct ones or not.And as far as bringing more people into our hobby, there can be
no doubt whatsoever that Consumer Reports and Sound & Vision have
inflicted a 1000-fold more damage than silly explanations
regarding tweaks ever could.I say we start a campaign to take over Sound & Vision from the
inside and turn it into the US equivalent of What Hi-Fi.
That would probably triple the sales of Stereophile, along with
other high-end gear.(If we could somehow disappear all known tweaks, do you really
think our hobby would somehow grow? I don't.)
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Topic - Which is worse? - Charles Hansen 11:14:06 09/24/05 (53)
- apples and oranges - Bruce from DC 09:57:09 09/26/05 (10)
- Exactly - Charles Hansen 10:40:56 09/26/05 (9)
- Your (a) and (b) alternatives: "Damned if you do, damned if you don't." AND... - clarkjohnsen 08:20:52 09/27/05 (0)
- Re: Exactly - Bruce from DC 12:05:57 09/26/05 (7)
- Re: Exactly - Charles Hansen 13:57:02 09/26/05 (6)
- Paul Klipsch - KlausR. 00:46:13 09/28/05 (0)
- PS on Paul Klipsch: Good one! - clarkjohnsen 08:33:45 09/27/05 (0)
- "That's why a lot people love measurements so much." Yep. It's psychological. - clarkjohnsen 08:30:33 09/27/05 (3)
- Of piffle. Loving measurements would be like loving a screwdriver! - Pat D 05:25:22 10/7/05 (1)
- Agreed. nt! - clarkjohnsen 08:30:53 10/7/05 (0)
- You're so cute when you gratuitously attack. nt - Rick W 10:46:12 09/27/05 (0)
- There in lies the problem - theaudiohobby 12:30:18 09/25/05 (6)
- "The problem with likes of GSIC etc is that there is no independently verifiable information that it works." Huh? - clarkjohnsen 07:59:00 09/26/05 (5)
- Re: "The problem with likes of GSIC etc is that there is no independently verifiable information that it works." Huh? - KlausR. 22:05:20 09/26/05 (2)
- "It does not work." That *is* what they said, but a far more accurate formulation would be... - clarkjohnsen 07:59:09 09/27/05 (1)
- Opinions - KlausR. 08:52:07 09/27/05 (0)
- Nope you don't read KK comments more closely. - theaudiohobby 11:24:30 09/26/05 (1)
- **you do not independently verifiable" testimony.** -- Translation, please. nt - clarkjohnsen 14:11:31 09/26/05 (0)
- Tweak bs is worse IMO, but neither pile of bs is responsible for hifi biz woes - Rick W 09:29:45 09/25/05 (12)
- A word from one of the rats - Charles Hansen 10:58:10 09/25/05 (11)
- Good points, Charles, but....... - Rick W 12:50:17 09/25/05 (10)
- The main problem is the US press - Charles Hansen 19:48:21 09/25/05 (9)
- Two mags = the US press? Get serious. - Rick W 12:53:46 09/26/05 (4)
- Your arguments... - Charles Hansen 13:43:45 09/26/05 (3)
- Right decision. nt - clarkjohnsen 08:22:08 09/27/05 (0)
- No hostility intended. I'm sure your refutation of reality would have been swell. nt - Rick W 15:39:40 09/26/05 (0)
- Gee, Chuckie, first Jim Austin, now Rick W. ... - TeddiJackEddie 15:04:10 09/26/05 (0)
- "When was the last time that you were genuinely excited about a new piece of equipment?" Oh, 1984 or so -- - clarkjohnsen 08:28:36 09/26/05 (0)
- Great essay! (but 2 points) - John Atkinson 08:14:56 09/26/05 (2)
- That couldn't have happened in S&V. - bwkendall 11:22:45 09/27/05 (0)
- You're right - Charles Hansen 11:04:25 09/26/05 (0)
- Gentle Wind Projectâ„¢ or Intelligent Chip - suits_me 17:55:36 09/24/05 (0)
- Re: Which is worse? - Dan Banquer 16:03:20 09/24/05 (15)
- Here's one for the books... - TeddiJackEddie 18:08:56 09/24/05 (14)
- What does it mean? - Don T 06:45:08 09/26/05 (1)
- As much as we fight... - TeddiJackEddie 14:58:36 09/26/05 (0)
- Re: Here's one for the books... - Dan Banquer 04:17:13 09/25/05 (11)
- Sounds like an urban myth to me [nt] - Wellfed 12:17:19 09/25/05 (10)
- And newly minted, at that. nt - markrohr 17:50:04 09/25/05 (9)
- If you really believe that... - TeddiJackEddie 14:59:51 09/26/05 (8)
- You write such fine fiction. nt - markrohr 12:55:13 09/27/05 (0)
- Re: If you really believe that... - morricab 09:26:21 09/27/05 (6)
- Peppermint, spearmint - two mints in one! NT - TeddiJackEddie 12:47:51 09/27/05 (5)
- No! No! No! - Robert Deutsch 09:00:04 09/28/05 (3)
- Don't forget the "golden drop of retsyn." - markrohr 11:47:03 09/28/05 (2)
- What Richard Strauss said many years ago... - TeddiJackEddie 12:50:53 09/28/05 (1)
- See? We don't get no respect. ;-) - markrohr 07:31:38 09/29/05 (0)
- Re: Peppermint, spearmint - two mints in one! NT - morricab 01:01:02 09/28/05 (0)
- Hmm... - Steve Eddy 12:35:42 09/24/05 (1)
- Take over S&V? - bwkendall 11:48:02 09/24/05 (3)
- Thanks. Hopefully we can pick this up - bwkendall 12:19:20 09/24/05 (0)
- We already have a foot in the door... - Charles Hansen 12:10:28 09/24/05 (1)
- Actually we have two feet in the door - Charles Hansen 11:07:06 09/26/05 (0)