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Topic - Circular Debate: - regmac 13:25:54 07/5/05 (173)

Untested assumptions are the real problem... - mkuller 12:22:46 07/9/05 (53)

Re: Untested assumptions are the real problem... - regmac 15:20:12 07/10/05 (18)

One more attempt... - mkuller 11:16:37 07/12/05 (7)

Re: One more attempt... - regmac 15:18:25 07/12/05 (6)

Thanks for the clueless response... - mkuller 10:51:57 07/13/05 (4)

Re: Thanks for the clueless response... - regmac 13:03:08 07/13/05 (3)

That explains a lot... - mkuller 12:15:57 07/14/05 (2)

Re: That explains a lot... - theaudiohobby 13:24:03 07/14/05 (1)

Whaaaaaaat??? (nt) - mkuller 14:50:59 07/14/05 (0)

Thanks for a well thought out response - theaudiohobby 07:58:21 07/13/05 (0)

Re: Untested assumptions are the real problem... - bjh 21:46:27 07/10/05 (9)

Re: Untested assumptions are the real problem... - regmac 08:38:54 07/11/05 (8)

Re: Untested assumptions are the real problem... - bjh 09:31:49 07/11/05 (7)

Re: Untested assumptions are the real problem... - regmac 08:32:25 07/12/05 (6)

Re: Untested assumptions are the real problem... - J-PMatt@Comcast.Net 15:46:52 07/12/05 (5)

Re: Untested assumptions are the real problem... - regmac 19:21:01 07/12/05 (4)

Re: Untested assumptions are the real problem... - J-PMatt@Comcast.Net 21:28:15 07/12/05 (3)

Re: Untested assumptions are the real problem... - regmac 07:46:45 07/13/05 (0)

You missed one. - Dave Pogue 06:03:18 07/13/05 (1)

Re: You missed one. - regmac 08:05:45 07/13/05 (0)

Ho-hum. - Pat D 19:01:29 07/9/05 (33)

Another red herring.... - mkuller 11:56:37 07/10/05 (1)

So now you don't claim that observational listening is more sensitive than DBTs? - Pat D 07:55:06 07/11/05 (0)

Pat D did you select your system by DBT? - Kloss 05:41:44 07/10/05 (9)

Have I ever said I had or that anyone should? - Pat D 21:05:42 07/13/05 (0)

And how do you know... - mkuller 11:58:19 07/10/05 (7)

A better question IME is... - Wellfed 08:42:28 07/11/05 (1)

a rhetorical question..... self anwered - slope 17:25:43 07/11/05 (0)

Re: And how do you know... - Kloss 14:10:43 07/10/05 (4)

I don't claim my preamp, amplifier, CDP, interconnects, speaker wires, and stock power cables sound different. - Pat D 16:11:13 07/10/05 (3)

But you have... - mkuller 13:18:06 07/11/05 (0)

Then you should have saved your money and bought the cheapest available! NT - lancelot 08:09:45 07/11/05 (1)

Oh he practices what he preaches, all right - Dave Pogue 09:41:58 07/11/05 (0)

Why should anyone care what YOU "want to know"? - Dave Pogue 04:30:17 07/10/05 (20)

I wonder... - kerr 06:32:26 07/11/05 (16)

That makes sense but doesn't fully explain ... - Dave Pogue 06:51:54 07/11/05 (15)

Re: That makes sense but doesn't fully explain ... - Pat D 07:58:22 07/11/05 (14)

Actually... - kerr 10:27:00 07/11/05 (10)

Re: Actually... - Pat D 18:17:34 07/11/05 (9)

Re: Actually... - kerr 19:21:17 07/11/05 (8)

Re: Actually... - Pat D 22:07:08 07/11/05 (7)

Re: Actually... - kerr 08:04:20 07/12/05 (6)

Re: Actually... - Pat D 16:57:56 07/12/05 (5)

Re: Actually... - kerr 05:21:37 07/13/05 (4)

Re: Actually... - Pat D 10:49:55 07/13/05 (3)

Re: Actually... - kerr 12:54:13 07/13/05 (2)

Re: Actually... - Pat D 08:22:00 07/14/05 (1)

Re: Actually... - kerr 11:02:38 07/16/05 (0)

Notice how he misquoted me - Dave Pogue 09:20:56 07/11/05 (2)

The man's a master. - J-PMatt@Comcast.Net 15:17:54 07/11/05 (1)

I didn't quote him. - Pat D 18:31:28 07/11/05 (0)

I'm just throwing his own question back at him. - Pat D 16:15:59 07/10/05 (0)

Where do you come in? - J-PMatt@Comcast.Net 10:25:19 07/10/05 (0)

Exactly - - kavakidd 09:39:00 07/10/05 (0)

More like a Circle - kavakidd 07:02:45 07/8/05 (7)

Re: More like a Circle - thetubeguy1954 16:38:39 07/8/05 (6)

Gee I was going to give him props for getting something right! - Don T 23:56:24 07/8/05 (0)

Wholly Shit! - kavakidd 19:40:21 07/8/05 (0)

I think you may have misunderstood... - andy_c 18:54:27 07/8/05 (3)

Thank you Andy - - kavakidd 19:41:21 07/8/05 (0)

Re: I think you may have misunderstood... - thetubeguy1954 19:17:04 07/8/05 (1)

Accepted - no harm intended - nt - kavakidd 19:41:52 07/8/05 (0)

Why can't the subjectivist just concede and move on? - Don T 21:19:40 07/7/05 (2)

Re: Why can't the subjectivist just concede and move on? - regmac 07:26:40 07/8/05 (1)

Geez - I'm sure there's some aspirin around someplace - Don T 13:01:06 07/9/05 (0)

OK, let me get this straight.......... - J-PMatt@Comcast.Net 16:43:52 07/7/05 (43)

test yourself before you wreck yourself - T&T 11:02:36 07/13/05 (1)

Re: test yourself before you wreck yourself - Pat D 16:54:15 07/13/05 (0)

You haven't got it straight. - Pat D 20:59:47 07/7/05 (39)

Actually, it's you who seems confused - J-PMatt@Comcast.Net 16:20:28 07/8/05 (28)

You are wrong: a number of people who post here defend DBT methodology. - Pat D 18:01:13 07/10/05 (12)

Now, that's an Inverted Ad Hominem - J-PMatt@Comcast.Net 18:28:47 07/10/05 (11)

Re: Now, that's an Inverted Ad Hominem - Pat D 22:47:12 07/11/05 (10)

You ask the wrong questions - J-PMatt@Comcast.Net 05:37:34 07/12/05 (9)

Re: You ask the wrong questions - Pat D 17:28:39 07/12/05 (8)

Re: You ask the wrong questions - J-PMatt@Comcast.Net 18:27:38 07/12/05 (7)

Re: You ask the wrong questions - Pat D 20:46:58 07/12/05 (6)

Re: You ask the wrong questions - J-PMatt@Comcast.Net 22:21:30 07/12/05 (5)

Re: You ask the wrong questions - Pat D 12:10:31 07/13/05 (4)

Re: You ask the wrong questions - J-PMatt@Comcast.Net 19:26:49 07/13/05 (3)

Re: You ask the wrong questions - Pat D 20:52:04 07/13/05 (2)

Re: You ask the wrong questions - J-PMatt@Comcast.Net 22:06:34 07/13/05 (1)

Re: You ask the wrong questions - Pat D 09:55:02 07/14/05 (0)

Excellent Post J-P NT - lancelot 08:12:42 07/9/05 (0)

No, I'm not. - Pat D 17:46:00 07/8/05 (3)

I think you are - J-PMatt@Comcast.Net 20:11:49 07/8/05 (2)

thank you - robert young 08:59:54 07/9/05 (1)

I'll be accused of Back Patting.........but what the hell - J-PMatt@Comcast.Net 14:15:12 07/9/05 (0)

Re: Actually, it's you who seems confused - thetubeguy1954 17:18:32 07/8/05 (9)

Back to ad hominems, eh? - Pat D 17:39:14 07/8/05 (8)

Re: Back to ad hominems, eh? - thetubeguy1954 20:08:10 07/8/05 (7)

Nice try, but ... - Dave Pogue 04:33:11 07/9/05 (6)

Re: Nice try, but ... - thetubeguy1954 07:19:16 07/9/05 (5)

Incomplete enumeration . . . - Pat D 13:46:36 07/9/05 (2)

Re: Incomplete enumeration . . . - thetubeguy1954 17:15:06 07/9/05 (1)

How about "None of the above?" - Pat D 18:50:25 07/9/05 (0)

Put your money on "c" - Dave Pogue 09:03:06 07/9/05 (1)

Re: Put your money on "c" - thetubeguy1954 17:16:32 07/9/05 (0)

Perceptions? - TomJ 07:55:40 07/8/05 (1)

Re: Perceptions? - Pat D 13:01:19 07/9/05 (0)

Jeez what stupid people there are who hang around here! - Bruce from DC 07:23:30 07/8/05 (0)

Re: You haven't got it straight. - Steve Eddy 21:29:12 07/7/05 (6)

Re: You haven't got it straight. - Pat D 16:31:11 07/16/05 (0)

Try liking SET tube amps and Horns loudspeakers - Kloss 13:39:34 07/8/05 (3)

Re: Try liking SET tube amps and Horns loudspeakers - Steve Eddy 15:16:46 07/8/05 (2)

Re: Try liking SET tube amps and Horns loudspeakers - Kloss 16:15:39 07/8/05 (1)

Re: Try liking SET tube amps and Horns loudspeakers - Steve Eddy 17:14:56 07/8/05 (0)

Yes the similarity between youself and Pat is noted. Obvious actually. - bjh 22:45:38 07/7/05 (0)

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 'Bout time someone told them to quit bitchin' or go away! (NT) - jeffreybehr 19:47:32 07/7/05 (0)

A more important question - lancelot 14:41:27 07/7/05 (1)

Oh come now, why he's just a "disinterested observer" after all. - bjh 16:16:25 07/7/05 (0)

Here it is - now what? - mkuller 12:33:58 07/7/05 (1)

Re: Here it is - now what? - regmac 14:34:38 07/7/05 (0)

You all keep going round and round on this - Kloss 06:06:49 07/7/05 (0)

Re: Circular Debate: - tetsuo 07/6/0518:58:54 07/6/05 (0)

Re: Circular Debate: - Steve Eddy 14:30:36 07/6/05 (3)

Re: Circular Debate: - andy_c 18:00:23 07/6/05 (2)

Re: Circular Debate: - Steve Eddy 20:54:54 07/6/05 (1)

Ok, I got it, thanks (nt) - andy_c 21:31:00 07/6/05 (0)

Re: Circular Debate: - Bruce from DC 12:44:37 07/6/05 (14)

You keep changing your ground. - Pat D 19:52:18 07/6/05 (2)

When I got to the statement that perceiving is not the same as hearing - Bruce from DC 09:28:45 07/7/05 (1)

Figures. - Pat D 09:34:37 07/7/05 (0)

Re: Circular Debate: - regmac 14:59:48 07/6/05 (6)

ok, let's be blind then and see where it leads us - Bruce from DC 15:36:51 07/6/05 (5)

Re: ok, let's be blind then and see where it leads us - regmac 08:05:16 07/7/05 (3)

At least somebody got the joke - Bruce from DC 09:32:54 07/7/05 (2)

Aw geez... - andy_c 18:27:24 07/7/05 (1)

no, andy - Bruce from DC 07:26:13 07/8/05 (0)

Re: ok, let's be blind then and see where it leads us - andy_c 18:22:10 07/6/05 (0)

Oh my goodness.... - Sordidman 12:57:41 07/6/05 (3)

Re: Oh my goodness.... - thetubeguy1954 13:19:44 07/6/05 (2)

???? Sorry, - I don't get it, - but then, - it's Wednesday -t - Sordidman 16:05:47 07/6/05 (1)

Re: ???? Sorry, - I don't get it, - but then, - it's Wednesday -t - thetubeguy1954 17:57:11 07/6/05 (0)

There will never be any resolving this debate... - mkuller 11:41:04 07/6/05 (24)

Re: There will never be any resolving this debate... - regmac 14:42:03 07/6/05 (7)

Talk about red herrings... - mkuller 17:26:31 07/6/05 (6)

Re: Talk about red herrings... - regmac 07:52:37 07/7/05 (5)

A DBT by any other name... - mkuller 12:19:56 07/7/05 (4)

Re: A DBT by any other name... - theaudiohobby 03:58:58 07/8/05 (3)

Jim Austin also says... - mkuller 11:56:05 07/9/05 (2)

You missed the point... - theaudiohobby 15:30:30 07/9/05 (1)

What exactly are the "scientifically authorized claims of audio engineering"? - bjh 11:32:17 07/11/05 (0)

I could not agree more - kerr 12:55:05 07/6/05 (15)

Re: I could not agree more - Pat D 20:09:18 07/6/05 (10)

Re: I could not agree more - kerr 05:00:58 07/7/05 (9)

Re: I could not agree more - Pat D 07:05:22 07/7/05 (8)

Re: I could not agree more - kerr 05:29:53 07/11/05 (7)

That's peculiar reasoning. - Pat D 08:04:13 07/11/05 (6)

Not at all. - kerr 19:30:02 07/11/05 (5)

Re: Not at all. - Pat D 22:12:41 07/11/05 (4)

Re: Not at all. - kerr 08:07:52 07/12/05 (3)

Re: Not at all. - Pat D 17:20:29 07/12/05 (2)

Re: Not at all. - kerr 05:35:32 07/13/05 (1)

Re: Not at all. - Pat D 14:57:28 07/13/05 (0)

"I can't imagine why the objectivists even care what we purport to hear." Indeed! - clarkjohnsen 13:58:11 07/6/05 (3)

Re: "I can't imagine why the objectivists even care what we purport to hear." Indeed! - kerr 05:02:48 07/7/05 (2)

Perhaps one of them could speak up and enlighten us?... nt - clarkjohnsen 07:35:27 07/7/05 (1)

Re: Perhaps one of them could speak up and enlighten us?... nt - Neil49 08:33:53 07/8/05 (0)

Re: Circular Debate: - thetubeguy1954 10:28:10 07/6/05 (9)

I suppose a validation - theaudiohobby 07:49:46 07/7/05 (1)

Re: I suppose a validation - thetubeguy1954 09:50:55 07/7/05 (0)

Re: Circular Debate: - Image 22:55:05 07/6/05 (0)

Re: Circular Debate: - Pat D 20:04:54 07/6/05 (0)

Re: Circular Debate: - regmac 15:10:15 07/6/05 (1)

Re: Circular Debate: - thetubeguy1954 18:09:42 07/6/05 (0)

Kudos, Nice Post!! - TomJ 11:43:37 07/6/05 (2)

Re: Kudos, Nice Post!! - LarryB 13:46:56 07/6/05 (1)

Tritto [nt] - Wellfed 08:50:18 07/11/05 (0)

just a reproducible test...not even double blind - Magpie 19:17:15 07/5/05 (0)

Re: Circular Debate: (long) - lord addleford 17:04:54 07/5/05 (0)

Again, the question is a simple one: can the subjectivists identify their favorite flavor without benefit of sighted tes - Robert Hamel 15:33:54 07/5/05 (0)

Wrong approach IMO - Lambda 15:32:17 07/5/05 (0)

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Re: Circular Debate: - tetsuo 07/6/0518:58:54 07/6/05 (0)