In Reply to: RE: Here you go posted by J. Phelan on September 9, 2012 at 21:13:27:
Again - not one person on Audio Asylum - nor anywhere else - will say that CD "sounds bad". More evidence comes in all the time - from audio reviews of Red Book (read them) or *against* the dangers of higher sampling.
More Pro-CD propaganda! Not one but lots, many of these quotes are from people who post on the Audio Asylum see Favorite Anti-CD Quotes
"...I would rather listen to any HQ music than sandpaper quality CDs."
dax44
"I wish the death of harsh ear crushing CD."
xmen269
"I just tried playing a Classical CD again on my "serious" system, after quite a few years of playing only SACDs. As I had recently upgraded my system quite substantially in the meantime, I wondered (yet again) if these improvements would finally render classical music on CD to sound appropriate on a high-rez playback system...
After only a minute of listening, it showed again that, the higher the resolution of the system, the more clearly CD's weaknesses as a medium for classical music were exposed. The familiar drab colourless-ness of the tonal palette, the stiffness of expression, the choking and subjugation of dynamics, the flatness of image, the two-dimensionality of soundstage and the congested feel that all the instruments were being kneaded into a single undifferentiated Ball of Sound; it all came back: dreadful memories of my pre-SACD days...
This just is my humble personal opinion, of course. I do respect the views of those who enjoy CD's through very expensive amps and speakers."
DkB
"...after a few listening sessions with great sounding SACDs my collection of standard Redbook software sounds really horrible."
djcowboy
"RBCDs suck!"
Paul Clark
"We cannot dis-invent DSD and go backwards. I have not bought a RBCD in 3 years, have no intention of ever doing so again and do not even read RBCD reviews or note their coming or passing."
Canonical
"Compact Disc's have hurt high-end audio the most. I do not know anyone that can listen to a few CDs one after the other. Digital music tends to fatigue most people. Whereas vinyl is relaxing, more often than not. Now with the advent of the SACD & DVD-A formats, digital music is much less fatiguing. So I am hoping that two-channel audio and the manufacturers start to make some money and invest in research more. Surround sound is fine for movies and dialog, but nothing is better than music out of a good two-channel system, IMHO."
Steven Bell
"Redbook really doesn't cut it for something as complex as classical orchestral music."
AstroD
"I have hated Redbook since the day it came out in the early 1980's. At best there is something missing. At worst, there are horrible somethings added. There is new equipment available that avoids adding the horrible somethings if they haven't already been put on the recording. If they have been put on the recording then one is sunk, as they can't be removed without stripping out all the air in the music.
RBCD sounded bad when I was in my 30's and it still sounds bad now that I am in my 60's."
Tony Lauck
"Yup - even cassette - I have a couple of prerecorded cassettes that blow away the same titles on CD."
kavakidd
And some who I don't believe post on Audio Asylum
"true music is only on vinyl, CDs suck"
Eric Earley, Blitzen Trapper’s singer
"...the whole concept of CD replacing vinyl was a misguided myth. CD's suck!"
York Rust UK
"Impossible to beat tape masters. CD's suck."
kats
"CDs suck and you don't get the extras you normally get with a vinyl."
Joe Vatah
"Dan Lavry posted a thread at the Slim Devices forum recently, called "Dan Lavry design guru new white paper on the optimal sampling rate for audio." His post there sums up his points - but you can read his whole paper if you wish."
Dan Lavry's paper was debunked on sa-cd.net since everyone who posted about comparing the 24/96 and 24/192 sides of Classic Records DVD-Audios, the 24/192 sides were superior.
From The Optimal Sample Rate for Quality Audio
By Dan Lavry, Lavry Engineering Inc. May 3, 2012
"Although 60 KHz would be closer to the ideal; given the existing standards, 88.2 KHz and 96 KHz are closest to the optimal sample rate. At 96 KHz sampling rate the theoretical bandwidth is 48 KHz. In designing a real world converter operating at 96 KHz, one ends up with a bandwidth of approximately 40 KHz."
This does not support CD's 16/44.1kHz resolution, it does support 24/88.2 and 24/96, but many of us feel 24/192 and DSD are superior.
Sadly I'm not laughing at all, I am really getting tired of all of these pro-CD posts. I would rather talk about high resolution analog and digital and let CD go the way of the dodo bird.
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Follow Ups
- Sorry, you are wrong, very wrong - Teresa 09/9/1222:13:41 09/9/12 (24)
- RE: Sorry, you are wrong, very wrong - Mike Mc 23:25:58 09/9/12 (10)
- More than two points of view - Tony Lauck 07:08:27 09/10/12 (9)
- RE: More than two points of view - rick_m 07:37:07 09/10/12 (8)
- RE: More than two points of view - perceptiveengineering 21:01:39 09/10/12 (0)
- Physical media = false sense of security - Tony Lauck 09:09:43 09/10/12 (6)
- RE: Physical media = false sense of security - rick_m 13:53:42 09/10/12 (5)
- RE: Physical media = false sense of security - bjh 17:23:41 09/10/12 (4)
- RE: Physical media = false sense of security - rick_m 22:02:37 09/10/12 (2)
- RE: Physical media = false sense of security - Tony Lauck 14:57:44 09/11/12 (1)
- RE: Physical media = false sense of security - Mike Mc 15:26:30 09/11/12 (0)
- RE: Physical media = false sense of security - perceptiveengineering 21:38:01 09/10/12 (0)
- RE: Sorry, you are wrong, very wrong - J. Phelan 22:54:08 09/9/12 (12)
- You can believe lies if you want, I instead believe the truth. - Teresa 23:36:21 09/9/12 (11)
- RE: You can believe lies if you want, I instead believe the truth. - J. Phelan 23:48:09 09/9/12 (10)
- Reference to Stuart's paper? That's strike #2 - Lavry reference being #1. - carcass93 11:36:02 09/10/12 (3)
- RE: Reference to Stuart's paper? That's strike #2 - Lavry reference being #1. - perceptiveengineering 20:10:05 09/10/12 (2)
- RE: Reference to Stuart's paper? That's strike #2 - Lavry reference being #1. - J. Phelan 20:13:32 09/10/12 (1)
- RE: Reference to Stuart's paper? That's strike #2 - Lavry reference being #1. - perceptiveengineering 20:40:46 09/10/12 (0)
- Sorry I forgot to name names. - Teresa 01:05:52 09/10/12 (5)
- RE: Sorry I forgot to name names. - calloway 16:58:59 09/11/12 (2)
- Incorrect assumptions, I have heard CD on the $17,000 Playback Designs player - Teresa 17:46:50 09/11/12 (0)
- RE: Sorry I forgot to name names. - J. Phelan 17:09:41 09/11/12 (0)
- RE: Sorry I forgot to name names. - perceptiveengineering 21:28:35 09/10/12 (0)
- RE: Sorry I forgot to name names. - J. Phelan 02:09:45 09/10/12 (0)