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In Reply to: Well, since you can't comprehend the proper meaning of "timbre"? ... posted by TBone on September 9, 2012 at 14:47:50:
Timbre is a combination of the fundamental note and the overtone series which in most instruments extends well into the ultrasonic. This is why an oboe sounds different than a clarinet playing the same note at the same level. When you remove the ultrasonic overtones you mess with the tone accuracy. This is why even expensive CD players do not sound tonally correct.
I said "Also while a $500 turntable doesn't sound as good as a $5,000 turntable, a $500 turntable sounds excellent and gets the timbre right and is enjoyable to play music through. Even entry-level equipment in every other format except CD and 16/44.1kHz PCM sounds excellent and once again it gets better as one goes up the price range. Yet the same cannot be said of CD it sounds terrible at any price range."
You responded "Hells bells, I could rest my entire case on your this obvious absurdity, which literally PROVES you don't know what the hell your talking about.
No it proves beyond a shadow of a doubt you have no clue what you are talking about as I am totally correct and your blind faith in CD is very misplaced.
The !FACT! is ... LP-CDR has been used as a tool to evaluate even the best turntables and/or analog components. This has long been happening, certain prominent audiophile members have been doing this for years.
It can only show differences in tonal colors of different cartridges, that one might want to explore. It does not give even a clue to the cartridge's audio quality. LPs do not sound good saved to 16/44.1, they are a little better at 24/48, I save LPs to 24/96, however others who listen to LPs from computer music files believe the minimum needed to accurately capture an LP's sonics is 24/196 or DSD.
Tonal accuracy is an area in which Turntable components have long varied, meaning that they sound different on a constant basis. Tonal accuracy is but one-of-many of the criteria captured by LP-CDR.
No component is totally transparent, all CD players, all SACD players and all Turntables/Arm/Cartridge systems sound different. CD-R's cannot capture tonal accuracy as they saw-off overtones above 20kHz thus eliminating important overtones that effect tonal accuracy. All you can hear is gross differences in tonal color. If one wants to compare phono cartridges one must use 24/96 at a bare minimum.
Every educated audiophile knows that a $500 turntable simply does not include the type of tonal accuracy (esp at the extremes) one associates with better 16/44 digital players.
Sounds like you never heard one? I will grant a $50 BSR turntable is not tonally accurate but a correctly set up $500 turntable will get one about 80% of the sonic quality of a $5,000 turntable and no CD player anywhere on planet Earth can even come close. Indeed many $500 turntables easily surpasses SACD players under $2,000. And more importantly a $500 turntable is more comfortable and easier to listen to music through.
Therefore, 16/44 - AS A WORKING TOOL (*) - can be used to appraise the tonality/timbre of various analog components at various cost. This without any doubt, proves that 16/44 - WHEN RECORDED WITH CARE - has enough resolution to capture the various tonal quality (perhaps all too various with analog) of even the very best analog.
16/44.1kHz is NOT a working tool as it is not suitable to playing music through.
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Follow Ups
- Since you don't understand timbre or tone accuracy I will have to educate you. - Teresa 09/9/1219:32:58 09/9/12 (4)
- RE: Since you don't understand timbre or tone accuracy I will have to educate you. - Inmate51 10:34:26 09/10/12 (1)
- The most definite I've found yet. - Teresa 19:19:15 09/10/12 (0)
- Pretending doesn't count ... - TBone 08:53:37 09/10/12 (1)
- Then stop pretending already! - Teresa 19:41:56 09/10/12 (0)
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