In Reply to: RE: Joy and Advantages of Listening to Music from Multiple Formats. posted by perceptiveengineering on September 8, 2012 at 19:14:25:
An Ampex 350/351 is down 2 dB at 15 Khz at 15 IPS. If you like rolled off highs, then it's your machine of choice. Yet you claim to have hearing that extends to 22, 23 or maybe even 24 kHz.It was 24kHz when I was a teenager, and 22kHz in an online test I did several years ago. BTW ultrasonics are inaudible but perceived by the body in other ways and ultrasonics also affect the timbre of audible frequencies. Are Ultrasonics Important? Current Theory and High Resolution Digital
Since deleting my classical music from my harddrive I only found one recording made with the Ampex 350 Thelonious Monk's 5 by Monk by 5 on a Analogue Productions 180 Gram LP that was saved to my hard-drive in AIFF at 24 bit 96kHz I also made a 16/44.1kHz copy using XLD for this test.
What follows is the song "Jackie-Ing" in 24/96
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Now the song "Jackie-Ing" in 16/44.1
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As you will see from the 24/96 plot the Ampex 350 while its printed specifications are down -2dB at 15kHz, it has a nice smooth roll-off to 45kHz.Now look at the 16/44.1 version I made the roll-off looks more like a cliff.
Some of the best sounding DSD recorded SACDs are made by Michael Bishop using the Sanken CO-100K microphone whose frequency response extends to 100kHz. CO-100K User's Report from Michael Bishop, Recording Engineer & Producer of Five Four Productions Ltd.
"Once again, your wholesale dismissal of 16/44.1 is more sad than anything else. No one is trying to force you to listen to CDs, but your bias against them is unfounded."I hate CDs, I find them not only unenjoyable but often painful, big deal. I never said anyone who enjoys them should stop listening to them. I want everyone to enjoy listening to music in whatever format brings them the most pleasure. You are free to hate any and all formats I love and I won't hold it against you.
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- Those are very conservative specs - Teresa 09/9/1201:28:04 09/9/12 (51)
- RE: Those are very conservative specs - perceptiveengineering 17:08:29 09/10/12 (3)
- RE: Those are very conservative specs - Tony Lauck 14:41:23 09/11/12 (0)
- You misunderstood what I said... - Teresa 18:40:37 09/10/12 (1)
- RE: You misunderstood what I said... - perceptiveengineering 19:36:13 09/10/12 (0)
- Bullshit - bjh 17:33:24 09/9/12 (46)
- RE: Your Bullshit post is complete bullshit. - Teresa 18:21:42 09/9/12 (45)
- RE: Your Bullshit post is complete bullshit. - bjh 19:51:14 09/9/12 (44)
- Here you go - Teresa 20:17:36 09/9/12 (43)
- RE: Here you go - bjh 07:28:55 09/10/12 (7)
- RE: Here you go - Tony Lauck 11:43:13 09/10/12 (6)
- RE: Here you go - perceptiveengineering 17:28:33 09/10/12 (2)
- RE: Here you go - Tony Lauck 09:35:47 09/11/12 (1)
- RE: Here you go - perceptiveengineering 19:21:47 09/13/12 (0)
- "Screen shots of these kind of plots can lead to false conclusions." Really? - bjh 13:39:00 09/10/12 (2)
- RE: "Screen shots of these kind of plots can lead to false conclusions." Really? - Tony Lauck 14:00:17 09/10/12 (1)
- RE: "Screen shots of these kind of plots can lead to false conclusions." Really? - bjh 16:22:45 09/10/12 (0)
- RE: Here you go - J. Phelan 21:13:27 09/9/12 (34)
- You could - and should - do better than citing Lavry's self-serving nonsense. - carcass93 10:54:17 09/10/12 (8)
- RE: You could - and should - do better than citing Lavry's self-serving nonsense. - Tony Lauck 11:49:30 09/10/12 (7)
- RE: You could - and should - do better than citing Lavry's self-serving nonsense. - perceptiveengineering 20:51:27 09/10/12 (6)
- Noise to the max... - rick_m 21:43:54 09/12/12 (0)
- RE: You could - and should - do better than citing Lavry's self-serving nonsense. - Tony Lauck 08:58:07 09/11/12 (4)
- RE: You could - and should - do better than citing Lavry's self-serving nonsense. - Inmate51 07:21:41 09/12/12 (3)
- RE: You could - and should - do better than citing Lavry's self-serving nonsense. - Tony Lauck 10:15:40 09/12/12 (2)
- RE: You could - and should - do better than citing Lavry's self-serving nonsense. - perceptiveengineering 19:41:42 09/13/12 (1)
- RE: You could - and should - do better than citing Lavry's self-serving nonsense. - Tony Lauck 07:12:55 09/14/12 (0)
- Sorry, you are wrong, very wrong - Teresa 22:13:41 09/9/12 (24)
- RE: Sorry, you are wrong, very wrong - Mike Mc 23:25:58 09/9/12 (10)
- More than two points of view - Tony Lauck 07:08:27 09/10/12 (9)
- RE: More than two points of view - rick_m 07:37:07 09/10/12 (8)
- RE: More than two points of view - perceptiveengineering 21:01:39 09/10/12 (0)
- Physical media = false sense of security - Tony Lauck 09:09:43 09/10/12 (6)
- RE: Physical media = false sense of security - rick_m 13:53:42 09/10/12 (5)
- RE: Physical media = false sense of security - bjh 17:23:41 09/10/12 (4)
- RE: Physical media = false sense of security - rick_m 22:02:37 09/10/12 (2)
- RE: Physical media = false sense of security - Tony Lauck 14:57:44 09/11/12 (1)
- RE: Physical media = false sense of security - Mike Mc 15:26:30 09/11/12 (0)
- RE: Physical media = false sense of security - perceptiveengineering 21:38:01 09/10/12 (0)
- RE: Sorry, you are wrong, very wrong - J. Phelan 22:54:08 09/9/12 (12)
- You can believe lies if you want, I instead believe the truth. - Teresa 23:36:21 09/9/12 (11)
- RE: You can believe lies if you want, I instead believe the truth. - J. Phelan 23:48:09 09/9/12 (10)
- Reference to Stuart's paper? That's strike #2 - Lavry reference being #1. - carcass93 11:36:02 09/10/12 (3)
- RE: Reference to Stuart's paper? That's strike #2 - Lavry reference being #1. - perceptiveengineering 20:10:05 09/10/12 (2)
- RE: Reference to Stuart's paper? That's strike #2 - Lavry reference being #1. - J. Phelan 20:13:32 09/10/12 (1)
- RE: Reference to Stuart's paper? That's strike #2 - Lavry reference being #1. - perceptiveengineering 20:40:46 09/10/12 (0)
- Sorry I forgot to name names. - Teresa 01:05:52 09/10/12 (5)
- RE: Sorry I forgot to name names. - calloway 16:58:59 09/11/12 (2)
- Incorrect assumptions, I have heard CD on the $17,000 Playback Designs player - Teresa 17:46:50 09/11/12 (0)
- RE: Sorry I forgot to name names. - J. Phelan 17:09:41 09/11/12 (0)
- RE: Sorry I forgot to name names. - perceptiveengineering 21:28:35 09/10/12 (0)
- RE: Sorry I forgot to name names. - J. Phelan 02:09:45 09/10/12 (0)