Were his statements based upon controlled DBTs? nt - bjh

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Topic - Original Sony Redbook formal trials...any journalist participation? - PeAK 08:38:34 12/10/06 (117)

Those early DMPs, now on SACD... - Ozzie 16:02:05 12/13/06 (81)

...vinylization of Telarc Digital - PeAK 17:04:40 12/13/06 (80)

"I really don't recall anyone complaining about digital nasties with Telarc in those years." I did! But... - clarkjohnsen 12:26:40 12/15/06 (3)

The Telarc 1812 - Robert Deutsch 20:18:20 12/15/06 (2)

Re: The Telarc 1812 - regmac 07:13:33 12/16/06 (0)

There was that too! Not to forget the *very* distant perspective on the orchestra. But... - clarkjohnsen 06:49:18 12/16/06 (0)

Digital artifacts? - E-Stat 06:29:45 12/14/06 (73)

Re: Digital artifacts? - Ozzie 15:22:39 12/14/06 (1)

You have a valid point - E-Stat 15:58:09 12/14/06 (0)

Re: Digital artifacts? - Pat D 12:40:49 12/14/06 (70)

Were his statements based upon controlled DBTs? nt - bjh 12/14/0617:37:34 12/14/06 (57)

Silly question: I quoted Stan Ricker and he said nothing about DBTs. - Pat D 06:51:57 12/22/06 (2)

Pat-D-cake you're back!, almost 2 weeks later ... man those - bjh 11:52:17 12/22/06 (1)

Strangely enough, I do not seek out your every post. (nt) - Pat D 03:47:17 12/24/06 (0)

That's funny because - E-Stat 18:50:59 12/14/06 (53)

Sure DBTs would have been better, but Ricker's and your sighted comparisons of the Soundstream recorder differed. - Pat D 20:32:26 12/14/06 (51)

So you accept stan Ricker's observations at face value - Analog Scott 21:23:43 12/18/06 (28)

Did I say that? - Pat D 23:02:55 12/19/06 (27)

Re: Did I say that you said that or did I ask you a question? - Analog Scott 23:15:43 12/19/06 (26)

Analog Scott thinks the null hypothesis can be proved! - Pat D 01:59:03 12/20/06 (25)

I see, you were just looking for any excuse not to answer a simple question - Analog Scott 08:06:51 12/20/06 (24)

Well, you can't understand the issues until you grasp that the null hypothesis cannot be proven statistically. (nt) - Pat D 15:26:07 12/20/06 (23)

Nope, you were clearly looking for any excuse not to answer the questions becuase - Analog Scott 20:31:45 12/20/06 (22)

Analog scott said the null hypothesis can be proven to a 95% level of certainty. Now he refuses to explain how. - Pat D 06:45:51 12/21/06 (21)

Sadly Pat D is now making things up me to deflect attention from the fact that he won't answer the questions - Analog Scott 22:51:51 12/21/06 (20)

Didn't your Mommy teach you to tell the truth? I answered your question here. - Pat D 06:22:39 12/22/06 (19)

Ironic that you would question my honesty and then tell a flat out lie all in the subject line. - Analog Scott 15:12:07 12/22/06 (18)

You just didn't like the answer I gave. Link provided, BTW. - Pat D 15:29:16 12/22/06 (17)

baeutiful. A link to no naswer given to my question. Nice. thank you for proving me right - Analog Scott 15:56:14 12/22/06 (16)

Nothing there, folks. Move along. (nt) - Pat D 16:11:25 12/22/06 (15)

embarrassed? nt - Analog Scott 17:11:41 12/22/06 (14)

Just trying to save you some embarrassment. Move along folks, nothing there. (nt) - Pat D 17:33:36 12/22/06 (13)

Do you ever tell the truth? Seems to me you were doing everything you could to try to embarrass me - Analog Scott 17:36:07 12/22/06 (12)

No, I figured you were embarrassed enough. Have you figured out that one cannot prove two things to be the same yet? - Pat D 05:43:32 12/23/06 (11)

Have you figured out that no one is buying your story? - Analog Scott 09:05:59 12/23/06 (10)

I doubt you would admit to buying anything of mine. - Pat D 10:23:34 12/23/06 (9)

You seem confused. do you know the difference between me and anybody?. - Analog Scott 11:05:50 12/23/06 (8)

And ad hominem seems to be the entire substance of your arguments. - Pat D 14:03:19 12/23/06 (7)

I'd say ad hominem seems to be the entire substance of your arguments. - Analog Scott 17:03:50 12/23/06 (6)

Could you tell me about proving the null hypothesis. (nt) - Pat D 18:07:19 12/23/06 (5)

Thank you for proving "ad hominem seems to be the entire substance of your arguments. " - Analog Scott 18:16:14 12/23/06 (4)

No, the null hypothesis is substantive issue, and you refuse to tell us why you disagree with the statisticians. - Pat D 18:43:54 12/23/06 (3)

No, the only issue is the fact that an honest answer from you would expose that old objectivist double standard - Analog Scott 09:02:22 12/24/06 (2)

A side issue irrelevant to audio. Now, understanding the null hypothesis is important for understanding audio DBTs. - Pat D 20:08:45 12/24/06 (1)

thank you for proving me right, again. - Analog Scott 09:37:12 12/25/06 (0)

:) - E-Stat 05:34:50 12/15/06 (18)

All you illustrated is that listening live and listening to a stereo are not the same. - Pat D 11:44:05 12/15/06 (4)

I am not alone - E-Stat 13:24:15 12/15/06 (3)

I don't think anybody here will dispute that E man. - Ozzie 07:35:09 12/16/06 (1)

My family and I love "Salamander Pie" :) [nt] - Ted Smith 17:55:34 12/16/06 (0)

Agreed, E-Stat. - David W. Robinson 22:43:50 12/15/06 (0)

Re: :) - theaudiohobby 09:05:04 12/15/06 (12)

Do you likewise believe - E-Stat 13:27:45 12/15/06 (9)

Re: Do you likewise believe - Pat D 22:44:22 12/19/06 (0)

Re: Do you likewise believe - Ozzie 07:39:52 12/16/06 (1)

What has gotten lost - E-Stat 08:06:51 12/16/06 (0)

Re: Do you likewise believe - theaudiohobby 01:36:21 12/16/06 (5)

Creative? - E-Stat 06:56:33 12/16/06 (4)

Hearing loss? - Ozzie 07:49:42 12/16/06 (3)

How about some DBTs? - Pat D 15:44:22 12/16/06 (2)

Re: How about some DBTs? - Ozzie 07:16:59 12/18/06 (1)

Re: How about some DBTs? - Ted Smith 07:47:57 12/18/06 (0)

Re: :) - Pat D 11:49:03 12/15/06 (1)

Re: :) - Ozzie 13:24:18 12/17/06 (0)

Bla bla bla ... - bjh 21:52:15 12/14/06 (2)

You're just jealous of my recognition - Pat D 03:57:44 12/15/06 (1)

Yeah, I foresee a time when MJ's star has faded, when the new slogan sweeping the land is ... - bjh 07:07:42 12/15/06 (0)

You don't say! Whaaaat a coincidence! ;-) nt - bjh 18:59:50 12/14/06 (0)

That's what a lot of folks thought back then - E-Stat 13:41:42 12/14/06 (11)

Did they do controlled DBTs? (nt) - Pat D 14:30:26 12/14/06 (10)

You'll have to ask Stan - E-Stat 14:53:53 12/14/06 (9)

Re: You'll have to ask Stan - Ozzie 15:32:27 12/14/06 (8)

i always felt that digitally recorded LPs - hifitommy 17:30:43 12/14/06 (0)

Answer - E-Stat 17:11:05 12/14/06 (6)

Re: Answer - Ozzie 08:01:50 12/16/06 (4)

Sounds like we agree - E-Stat 08:15:11 12/16/06 (3)

Re: Sounds like we agree - Ozzie 13:16:46 12/17/06 (2)

Having heard the Soundstream 16/50 master - E-Stat 18:57:09 12/17/06 (1)

Not having heard the Soundstream 16/50 master - Ozzie 08:19:05 12/20/06 (0)

"'digital nasties' were a function of the early CD players". I agree. - bjh 19:06:12 12/14/06 (0)

Re: ...vinylization of Telarc Digital - Bob Rex 05:38:33 12/14/06 (1)

Same here! nt - clarkjohnsen 12:29:06 12/15/06 (0)

I was almost there - John Marks 16:06:49 12/11/06 (17)

Re: "utter nonsense" related to the "EG" in MPEG/JPEG - PeAK 05:26:35 12/20/06 (0)

Re: I was almost there but closer - John Atkinson 07:57:25 12/12/06 (15)

So based on the intended purpose... - Bob Rex 09:43:53 12/12/06 (14)

Re: So based on the intended purpose... - John Atkinson 10:37:46 12/12/06 (13)

That's interesting, it suggests that in the slogan - bjh 12:50:18 12/12/06 (12)

well that's not quite fair - Bruce from DC 13:55:04 12/13/06 (11)

Re: well that's not quite fair - soulfood 15:19:45 12/13/06 (8)

Wait until you hear pre-recorded cassettes on a correctly aligned Nakamichi deck! - Teresa 00:53:11 12/21/06 (1)

I'm not waiting. That ship has sailed. - soulfood 17:52:58 12/21/06 (0)

no argument from me about cassettes - Bruce from DC 16:16:15 12/13/06 (5)

I recommend a Nakamichi cassette deck, the best $39.50 I've ever spent. - Teresa 01:00:02 12/21/06 (0)

Hey now - E-Stat 06:01:13 12/14/06 (1)

I heard that Norelco mic... - Ozzie 09:37:48 12/20/06 (0)

OK for my car..... - Bob Rex 05:25:22 12/14/06 (1)

Besides, - regmac 07:38:39 12/14/06 (0)

Re: well that's not quite fair - regmac 14:42:16 12/13/06 (1)

The ad actually read " Seventh Row Center Forever" nt - Jeff Joseph 16:36:58 12/20/06 (0)

digital players have toc memory problem - jeromelang 20:56:56 12/10/06 (9)

Re: digital players have toc memory problem - Ken B 10:48:16 12/12/06 (6)

more on this toc memory problem - jeromelang 19:42:24 12/12/06 (1)

Re: TOC...Rega Saturn/Apollo improvements? - PeAK 05:19:49 12/14/06 (0)

Re: digital players have toc memory problem - jeromelang 18:17:19 12/12/06 (3)

You wouldn't also happen to be a Monopoly aficionado by any chance? :) nt - bjh 20:02:28 12/12/06 (2)

no, i'm a polygamist.....! - jeromelang 20:49:23 12/12/06 (1)

OK, in that case ... - bjh 21:15:44 12/12/06 (0)

Re: ...hijacking threads/directing thoughts - PeAK 07:05:22 12/11/06 (1)

Re: ...hijacking threads/directing thoughts - jeromelang 17:45:47 12/11/06 (0)

Unlike the development of analog formats - E-Stat 08:55:15 12/10/06 (6)

Re: Unlike the development of analog formats - Rob Doorack 11:13:20 12/11/06 (3)

I wouldn't be at all surprised - E-Stat 12:50:21 12/11/06 (2)

Re: I wouldn't be at all surprised - Zag 23:48:54 12/13/06 (1)

I remember my first Seagate drive - E-Stat 05:42:37 12/14/06 (0)

Re: In the early days of recording, capacity was an even bigger problem. - theaudiohobby 15:12:42 12/10/06 (1)

Point well taken - E-Stat 19:17:19 12/10/06 (0)

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Were his statements based upon controlled DBTs? nt - bjh 12/14/0617:37:34 12/14/06 (57)

Silly question: I quoted Stan Ricker and he said nothing about DBTs. - Pat D 06:51:57 12/22/06 (2)

Pat-D-cake you're back!, almost 2 weeks later ... man those - bjh 11:52:17 12/22/06 (1)

Strangely enough, I do not seek out your every post. (nt) - Pat D 03:47:17 12/24/06 (0)

That's funny because - E-Stat 18:50:59 12/14/06 (53)

Sure DBTs would have been better, but Ricker's and your sighted comparisons of the Soundstream recorder differed. - Pat D 20:32:26 12/14/06 (51)

So you accept stan Ricker's observations at face value - Analog Scott 21:23:43 12/18/06 (28)

Did I say that? - Pat D 23:02:55 12/19/06 (27)

Re: Did I say that you said that or did I ask you a question? - Analog Scott 23:15:43 12/19/06 (26)

Analog Scott thinks the null hypothesis can be proved! - Pat D 01:59:03 12/20/06 (25)

I see, you were just looking for any excuse not to answer a simple question - Analog Scott 08:06:51 12/20/06 (24)

Well, you can't understand the issues until you grasp that the null hypothesis cannot be proven statistically. (nt) - Pat D 15:26:07 12/20/06 (23)

Nope, you were clearly looking for any excuse not to answer the questions becuase - Analog Scott 20:31:45 12/20/06 (22)

Analog scott said the null hypothesis can be proven to a 95% level of certainty. Now he refuses to explain how. - Pat D 06:45:51 12/21/06 (21)

Sadly Pat D is now making things up me to deflect attention from the fact that he won't answer the questions - Analog Scott 22:51:51 12/21/06 (20)

Didn't your Mommy teach you to tell the truth? I answered your question here. - Pat D 06:22:39 12/22/06 (19)

Ironic that you would question my honesty and then tell a flat out lie all in the subject line. - Analog Scott 15:12:07 12/22/06 (18)

You just didn't like the answer I gave. Link provided, BTW. - Pat D 15:29:16 12/22/06 (17)

baeutiful. A link to no naswer given to my question. Nice. thank you for proving me right - Analog Scott 15:56:14 12/22/06 (16)

Nothing there, folks. Move along. (nt) - Pat D 16:11:25 12/22/06 (15)

embarrassed? nt - Analog Scott 17:11:41 12/22/06 (14)

Just trying to save you some embarrassment. Move along folks, nothing there. (nt) - Pat D 17:33:36 12/22/06 (13)

Do you ever tell the truth? Seems to me you were doing everything you could to try to embarrass me - Analog Scott 17:36:07 12/22/06 (12)

No, I figured you were embarrassed enough. Have you figured out that one cannot prove two things to be the same yet? - Pat D 05:43:32 12/23/06 (11)

Have you figured out that no one is buying your story? - Analog Scott 09:05:59 12/23/06 (10)

I doubt you would admit to buying anything of mine. - Pat D 10:23:34 12/23/06 (9)

You seem confused. do you know the difference between me and anybody?. - Analog Scott 11:05:50 12/23/06 (8)

And ad hominem seems to be the entire substance of your arguments. - Pat D 14:03:19 12/23/06 (7)

I'd say ad hominem seems to be the entire substance of your arguments. - Analog Scott 17:03:50 12/23/06 (6)

Could you tell me about proving the null hypothesis. (nt) - Pat D 18:07:19 12/23/06 (5)

Thank you for proving "ad hominem seems to be the entire substance of your arguments. " - Analog Scott 18:16:14 12/23/06 (4)

No, the null hypothesis is substantive issue, and you refuse to tell us why you disagree with the statisticians. - Pat D 18:43:54 12/23/06 (3)

No, the only issue is the fact that an honest answer from you would expose that old objectivist double standard - Analog Scott 09:02:22 12/24/06 (2)

A side issue irrelevant to audio. Now, understanding the null hypothesis is important for understanding audio DBTs. - Pat D 20:08:45 12/24/06 (1)

thank you for proving me right, again. - Analog Scott 09:37:12 12/25/06 (0)

:) - E-Stat 05:34:50 12/15/06 (18)

All you illustrated is that listening live and listening to a stereo are not the same. - Pat D 11:44:05 12/15/06 (4)

I am not alone - E-Stat 13:24:15 12/15/06 (3)

I don't think anybody here will dispute that E man. - Ozzie 07:35:09 12/16/06 (1)

My family and I love "Salamander Pie" :) [nt] - Ted Smith 17:55:34 12/16/06 (0)

Agreed, E-Stat. - David W. Robinson 22:43:50 12/15/06 (0)

Re: :) - theaudiohobby 09:05:04 12/15/06 (12)

Do you likewise believe - E-Stat 13:27:45 12/15/06 (9)

Re: Do you likewise believe - Pat D 22:44:22 12/19/06 (0)

Re: Do you likewise believe - Ozzie 07:39:52 12/16/06 (1)

What has gotten lost - E-Stat 08:06:51 12/16/06 (0)

Re: Do you likewise believe - theaudiohobby 01:36:21 12/16/06 (5)

Creative? - E-Stat 06:56:33 12/16/06 (4)

Hearing loss? - Ozzie 07:49:42 12/16/06 (3)

How about some DBTs? - Pat D 15:44:22 12/16/06 (2)

Re: How about some DBTs? - Ozzie 07:16:59 12/18/06 (1)

Re: How about some DBTs? - Ted Smith 07:47:57 12/18/06 (0)

Re: :) - Pat D 11:49:03 12/15/06 (1)

Re: :) - Ozzie 13:24:18 12/17/06 (0)

Bla bla bla ... - bjh 21:52:15 12/14/06 (2)

You're just jealous of my recognition - Pat D 03:57:44 12/15/06 (1)

Yeah, I foresee a time when MJ's star has faded, when the new slogan sweeping the land is ... - bjh 07:07:42 12/15/06 (0)

You don't say! Whaaaat a coincidence! ;-) nt - bjh 18:59:50 12/14/06 (0)