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In Reply to: not really fair to Stereophile, Andy posted by Bruce from DC on April 26, 2006 at 06:38:18:
Well, I read your post and pretty much agree with just about everything you say, except its title :-).Let me try to clarify my point. When reading TAS, I get the impression that I'm just reading a bunch of stuff by fellow audiophiles. I'm an objectivist, and their reviews consist only of subjective impressions, with no measurements. This doesn't bother me a bit, in fact I find it enjoyable. Stereophile puts lots of great measured data in their reviews, and as you mention, they try to correlate this with subjective impressions. I'm not suggesting for a moment that they stop doing this!
What bugs me about Stereophile is their degree of engagement in the so-called "great debate". As quick examples, I'll pick the Atkinson/Krueger debate, JA's editorial referring to DBTs as a "parlor trick", and the article that prompted this thread. This is a divisive topic, and for me as an objectivist, their stance on this issue more than offsets (in a negative way) the inclusion of comprehensive measurements in their reviews.
As another example, contrast the posts of people from Stereophile and TAS in this forum. Sue Kraft mostly just gets involved with banter among fellow inmates. The posters from Stereophile seem more concerned about winning arguments. In a sense, the two magazines themselves are like extensions of this. The only thing I'm really advocating here is that Stereophile simply disengage from the "great debate". IOW, no more "parlor trick" editorials, and to be fair, no more "Chips For Chumps" articles either (though I did enjoy that one :-)). With that kind of approach, they can concentrate on just being a publication for all kinds of audiophiles, and not end up in the middle of arguments or long-winded justification of their position.
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Follow Ups Full ThreadTopic - John Atkinson's Rebuttal of Ben Goldacre's "Bad Science" - bjh 10:49:11 04/22/06 (274)
- Re: John Atkinson's Rebuttal of Ben Goldacre's "Bad Science" - kerr 07:29:50 05/3/06 (0)
- DBT and science - hexenboden 21:19:31 04/27/06 (2)
- Re: DBT and science - bjh 07:46:59 04/28/06 (1)
- Audio politics - hexenboden 08:15:26 04/28/06 (0)
- Re: John Atkinson's Rebuttal of Ben Goldacre's "Bad Science" - andy19191 11:42:10 04/27/06 (34)
- Re: John Atkinson's Rebuttal of Ben Goldacre's "Bad Science" - bjh 12:58:21 04/27/06 (33)
- Re: John Atkinson's Rebuttal of Ben Goldacre's "Bad Science" - andy19191 15:06:55 04/27/06 (32)
- Re: John Atkinson's Rebuttal of Ben Goldacre's "Bad Science" - John Atkinson 08:29:40 04/28/06 (20)
- Re: John Atkinson's Rebuttal of Ben Goldacre's "Bad Science" - andy19191 11:53:22 04/28/06 (19)
- Re: John Atkinson's Rebuttal of Ben Goldacre's "Bad Science" - bjh 12:55:26 04/28/06 (18)
- Re: John Atkinson's Rebuttal of Ben Goldacre's "Bad Science" - andy19191 15:08:39 04/28/06 (13)
- Re: John Atkinson's Rebuttal of Ben Goldacre's "Bad Science" - bjh 17:37:35 04/28/06 (12)
- JA made a fairly elementary logical error, bjh. - Pat D 17:52:09 04/28/06 (11)
- Pat, - bjh 20:14:44 04/28/06 (10)
- No, in a criticism of what Mr. Goldacre SAID it's a major error. - Pat D 05:34:43 04/29/06 (9)
- I, and no doubt many other, "hi-fi freaks" (Goldacre) understand why you would see it that way. :) nt - bjh 06:39:43 04/29/06 (8)
- Ah yes. I've noticed you don't mind misrepresenting people's opinions, either. (nt) - Pat D 18:08:57 04/29/06 (7)
- I-Child. nt - bjh 18:41:07 04/29/06 (6)
- Are you just racist or what? - Pat D 11:42:13 05/1/06 (5)
- Jesus that was stupid! You've outdone youself. Racist??? "Idiots" ... a Race!!!! Perfect Period. nt - bjh 12:17:38 05/1/06 (4)
- I just did a search for I-Child and that's what I got . . . - Pat D 20:11:45 05/1/06 (3)
- Pat, it appears you've located "IChild", not "I-Child"!; as a stickler for detail you'll acknowledge the difference. - bjh 07:54:17 05/2/06 (2)
- My, my, my . . . - Pat D 08:00:32 05/2/06 (1)
- drop me a line - Ozzie 21:45:23 05/5/06 (0)
- Thanks - John Atkinson 13:52:39 04/28/06 (3)
- Re: Thanks - andy19191 15:11:32 04/28/06 (1)
- Re: Thanks - John Atkinson 11:09:42 04/29/06 (0)
- np nt. - bjh 13:54:56 04/28/06 (0)
- Re: John Atkinson's Rebuttal of Ben Goldacre's "Bad Science" - bjh 15:36:46 04/27/06 (10)
- Re: John Atkinson's Rebuttal of Ben Goldacre's "Bad Science" - andy19191 23:11:40 04/27/06 (5)
- I believe I did pick up on your - bjh 04:28:54 04/28/06 (4)
- Re: I believe I did pick up on your - andy19191 05:14:37 04/28/06 (3)
- Re: I believe I did pick up on your - bjh 07:09:41 04/28/06 (2)
- Re: I believe I did pick up on your - andy19191 08:21:48 04/28/06 (1)
- Contribution? - mkuller 11:17:47 04/28/06 (0)
- Re: John Atkinson's Rebuttal of Ben Goldacre's "Bad Science" - Pat D 17:49:11 04/27/06 (3)
- Study the following carefully Pat: - bjh 18:47:43 04/27/06 (2)
- Re: Study the following carefully Pat: - Pat D 06:12:03 04/28/06 (1)
- Seek assistance elsewhere, I can't help you. :) nt - bjh 07:11:58 04/28/06 (0)
- Conjecture vs. proof - Pat D 19:24:02 04/25/06 (39)
- Pat! - bjh 17:13:45 04/26/06 (36)
- Already read it. - Pat D 19:53:43 04/26/06 (35)
- "interconnect with the ground-shield connection made at one end from the other" - bjh 21:38:23 04/26/06 (34)
- You read rhetorically, my statement was literal. - Pat D 04:41:12 04/27/06 (33)
- One the question will you "... have the decency to STFU and accept your own statement?" - bjh 08:20:10 04/27/06 (32)
- I can't help it if you misread what's there. - Pat D 10:17:03 04/27/06 (31)
- So what is a "neutral" interconnect - E-Stat 16:00:46 04/27/06 (30)
- Re: So what is a "neutral" interconnect - Pat D 17:18:21 04/27/06 (29)
- Here's what you said - E-Stat 17:44:03 04/27/06 (28)
- Re: Here's what you said - Pat D 17:50:54 04/27/06 (27)
- Let's see if you can answer these simple questions - E-Stat 18:07:52 04/27/06 (26)
- So, in fact, nothing in my statement was unclear and you want to shift the discussion. - Pat D 06:02:08 04/28/06 (8)
- Fine - E-Stat 07:34:53 04/28/06 (7)
- Provide some evidence. - Pat D 14:16:02 04/28/06 (6)
- Evidence to what? - E-Stat 14:21:35 04/28/06 (5)
- Re: Evidence to what? - Pat D 14:23:59 04/28/06 (4)
- Is this a fair conclusion? - E-Stat 14:37:38 04/28/06 (3)
- Not really. - Pat D 18:24:27 04/28/06 (2)
- Everything sounds the same. Got it (nt) - E-Stat 18:51:59 04/28/06 (1)
- Where do you get such silliness? (nt) - Pat D 19:10:31 04/28/06 (0)
- E-Stat, you need to read Pat's tag line - Bruce from DC 05:52:28 04/28/06 (16)
- Reminds me of the ever evasive Silver Eared John (nt) - E-Stat 13:33:22 04/28/06 (0)
- Re: E-Stat, you need to read Pat's tag line - bjh 07:31:44 04/28/06 (0)
- Re: E-Stat, you need to read Pat's tag line - regmac 07:03:45 04/28/06 (1)
- to paraphrase our former President: - Bruce from DC 07:43:59 04/28/06 (0)
- Oh no, he's just trying to trip me up. - Pat D 06:16:57 04/28/06 (11)
- Re: "'being silly" - Bruce from DC 08:30:21 04/28/06 (1)
- Re: "'being silly" - Pat D 14:18:58 04/28/06 (0)
- Or, choice B - E-Stat 07:54:51 04/28/06 (8)
- Apparently you missed the most important lecture during ... - bjh 08:03:17 04/28/06 (7)
- Where did I assert my interconnects are neutral? - Pat D 14:21:58 04/28/06 (6)
- Ah ha --- so your interconnects are NOT neutral? - Richard BassNut Greene 07:09:06 05/3/06 (5)
- My dear Nut... - kerr 07:26:28 05/3/06 (4)
- k. d. lang has one of the best female voices in pop music -- although may sound like "Tiny Tim on YOUR system - Richard BassNut Greene 07:50:29 05/3/06 (3)
- She does - kerr 08:02:17 05/3/06 (2)
- That was a very amusing post -- your ghostwriter is ? - Richard BassNut Greene 08:38:53 05/3/06 (1)
- You of all people should be able to answer that! - kerr 08:53:54 05/3/06 (0)
- Why do I care - Frihed89 01:30:20 04/26/06 (1)
- How can I tell YOU what YOUR preferences are? - Pat D 05:50:55 04/26/06 (0)
- A few observations - awsmone 21:12:16 04/24/06 (15)
- Re: A few observations - old2randr 00:02:30 04/25/06 (14)
- Re: A few observations - J-PMatt@Comcast.Net 04:33:00 04/27/06 (10)
- A few inaccuracies - awsmone 08:37:11 04/27/06 (9)
- Re: A few inaccuracies - J-PMatt@Comcast.Net 14:59:42 04/27/06 (8)
- Found where you got the list from - awsmone 09:26:25 04/28/06 (3)
- There's one more thing I'd like to address - J-PMatt@Comcast.Net 17:44:07 04/28/06 (1)
- Re: There's one more thing I'd like to address - awsmone 22:35:52 04/28/06 (0)
- There are quite a few lists like the one I presented - J-PMatt@Comcast.Net 13:37:36 04/28/06 (0)
- There goes a big one - awsmone 07:06:27 04/28/06 (0)
- Scratch another one - awsmone 23:29:19 04/27/06 (0)
- Are - bjh 15:12:07 04/27/06 (1)
- Re: Are - J-PMatt@Comcast.Net 20:26:22 04/27/06 (0)
- Hmmmm--- - kavakidd 16:42:39 04/25/06 (0)
- Second attempt - awsmone 02:22:10 04/25/06 (0)
- Re: A few observations - awsmone 00:31:22 04/25/06 (0)
- Stereophile tells readers and manufacturers what they want to hear - Richard BassNut Greene 08:52:10 04/24/06 (113)
- The Real Truth (IMHO) - thetubeguy1954 07:13:46 04/26/06 (43)
- High end audio = a field where people can claim to have exceptional skills and never have to prove it ! That's rare. - Richard BassNut Greene 09:07:57 04/26/06 (41)
- Automotive engineering - E-Stat 14:49:07 04/27/06 (5)
- Re: Automotive engineering - Soundmind 06:13:26 04/28/06 (2)
- You missed my point - E-Stat 07:32:54 04/28/06 (1)
- Re: You missed my point - Ozzie 09:38:58 04/29/06 (0)
- actually, the difference is . . . - Bruce from DC 05:54:11 04/28/06 (1)
- LOL! (nt) - E-Stat 07:35:29 04/28/06 (0)
- Wine tasters, food critics, film reviewers, etc...(nt) - mkuller 11:41:46 04/27/06 (0)
- Re: High end audio = a field where people can claim to have exceptional skills and never have to prove it ! That's rar - John Atkinson 14:41:21 04/26/06 (27)
- If that was the best proof you have that all components sound different to you ... then I feel sorry for you - Richard BassNut Greene 09:12:08 05/1/06 (0)
- It took you over 100 blind tests to come to the conclusion that blind tests are a waste of time? - Richard BassNut Greene 08:02:47 04/28/06 (21)
- Ouch! - Ozzie 09:42:56 04/29/06 (0)
- Please answer the question, Mr. Greene - John Atkinson 07:19:57 04/29/06 (13)
- I answered your question in my May 1 post & answered every other question you asked in this post - Richard BassNut Greene 09:16:49 05/2/06 (4)
- Patience, please, Mr Greene - John Atkinson 16:51:32 05/2/06 (3)
- Waiting for YOUR answers to MY questions does require patience --- Infinite Patience is required (you don't respond) - Richard BassNut Greene 07:54:30 05/3/06 (2)
- Why infinite? - John Atkinson 09:14:11 05/3/06 (1)
- I swear I did not ghostwrite the JA post as a perfect example of what "non-answer" means! - Richard BassNut Greene 08:54:02 05/5/06 (0)
- reference - Ozzie 09:46:03 04/29/06 (7)
- Even evidence disappears in the face of disbelieve. - bjh 14:54:18 04/29/06 (1)
- Obviously you care. - Ozzie 15:47:00 05/1/06 (0)
- More uncritical thinking - John Atkinson 11:17:11 04/29/06 (4)
- I am not a magazine writer... - Ozzie 16:19:00 05/1/06 (3)
- We're all plowing the same furrow, Ozzie - John Atkinson 16:41:39 05/2/06 (2)
- JA now says Stereophile reviewers do not have superior hearing ("Neither do we claim we have superior hearing, Ozzie") - Richard BassNut Greene 08:59:14 05/3/06 (1)
- BassNut - Ozzie 13:37:45 05/3/06 (0)
- If you want to know which tests were well designed, surely the ones with the null result were well done - Soundmind 10:36:52 04/28/06 (2)
- Why take tests when you can claim exceptional hearing ability & your readers and advertisers will never ask for proof ? - Richard BassNut Greene 13:45:44 04/28/06 (1)
- You have to take the "sucker factor" into account - Soundmind 14:06:20 04/28/06 (0)
- Re: It took you over 100 blind tests to come to the conclusion that blind tests are a waste of time? - John Atkinson 08:47:36 04/28/06 (2)
- Where are the "null results" for sighted auditions? Why do all components sound different ONLY when brands are known? - Richard BassNut Greene 08:16:10 05/3/06 (0)
- We are all very fortunate.... - Soundmind 14:26:56 04/28/06 (0)
- Re: High end audio = a field where people can claim to have exceptional skills and never have to prove it ! That's rar - Soundmind 05:41:55 04/28/06 (0)
- Re: High end audio = a field where people can claim to have exceptional skills and never have to prove it ! That's rar - Ozzie 19:37:09 04/27/06 (2)
- Please do the work and get back to me - John Atkinson 08:59:46 04/28/06 (0)
- As far as "a" goes . . . - markrohr 04:34:45 04/28/06 (0)
- Your DBT Challenge Was Accepted, So Put Up Or Shut Up! - thetubeguy1954 12:10:45 04/26/06 (4)
- Short term memory is the first to go . . . - Pat D 13:24:19 04/26/06 (3)
- No... Meds Affected My Posts - thetubeguy1954 10:36:50 04/27/06 (2)
- Re: No... Meds Affected My Posts - Pat D 17:32:43 04/27/06 (1)
- Re: No... Meds Affected My Posts - thetubeguy1954 10:16:08 04/28/06 (0)
- Not rare, virtually unique. I can't think of any other field of endeavor short of the occult where this occurs nt - Soundmind 09:38:23 04/26/06 (0)
- Excellent! Very well stated (nt) - kerr 07:53:42 04/26/06 (0)
- That was a surprising post...not. (nt) - robert young 12:33:34 04/25/06 (0)
- Re: Stereophile tells readers and manufacturers what they want to hear - John Atkinson 10:20:06 04/24/06 (64)
- Will you ignore my questions and statements, and respond by attacking my character? - Richard BassNut Greene 08:57:29 04/26/06 (28)
- Oh no, here comes Robert Young to defend JA - nightdoggy 17:20:12 05/1/06 (0)
- OK, let's simmer down and take another look.......... - J-PMatt@Comcast.Net 16:38:38 04/26/06 (0)
- The conflict of interest is obvious and without question - Soundmind 09:36:19 04/26/06 (25)
- I remember reading an editorial in one of my motorcycle magazines - E-Stat 15:58:09 04/27/06 (18)
- Believe whatever you like, it's your money - Soundmind 05:20:18 04/28/06 (13)
- May you be very happy thinking that stuff is SOTA - E-Stat 07:49:19 04/28/06 (12)
- Re: May you be very happy thinking that stuff is SOTA - Soundmind 10:29:13 04/28/06 (11)
- "5 band graphic equalizer " Excuse me if I piss myself laughing MFAO! ... - bjh 13:16:50 04/28/06 (9)
- Actually, the 5 band Cello Audio Pallette was killa - Ozzie 10:00:19 04/29/06 (5)
- "and transparent" Personal experience? Or did you just read that somewhere? nt - bjh 20:04:22 04/29/06 (4)
- Re: "and transparent" Personal experience? Or did you just read that somewhere? nt - Ozzie 10:02:32 05/4/06 (3)
- So then, have you managed to get your hands on one? Or - bjh 12:30:38 05/4/06 (2)
- Re: So then, have you managed to get your hands on one? Or - Ozzie 20:28:26 05/5/06 (1)
- And how do you compensate for different tonal balance on different recordings, change wires, swap amps? nt - Soundmind 14:30:49 04/28/06 (2)
- I don't "compenstate", I enjoy the variety. "5 band graphic equalizer" F'in "A"! LOLTIBAR! nt - bjh 14:41:00 04/28/06 (1)
- Re: I don't "compenstate", I enjoy the variety. "5 band graphic equalizer" F'in "A"! LOLTIBAR! nt - Soundmind 14:46:29 04/28/06 (1)
- Two possible answers - E-Stat 11:50:01 04/28/06 (0)
- With all due respect ... - bjh 17:36:58 04/27/06 (3)
- We need a lawyer... - Ozzie 18:43:20 04/27/06 (2)
- Good idea ... - bjh 18:50:08 04/27/06 (1)
- Ah, a Clintonite, eh bj? - Ozzie 19:02:57 04/27/06 (0)
- At least you are getting an unbiased view - Soundmind 16:48:45 04/26/06 (1)
- That was the norm with TAS under HP - E-Stat 13:30:53 04/28/06 (0)
- Your Post Makes A Case For NOT Doing DBTs - thetubeguy1954 12:38:49 04/26/06 (1)
- Wine Spectator - Ozzie 18:51:20 04/27/06 (0)
- Shame! Shame! ... - bjh 10:58:07 04/26/06 (1)
- I don't know what your problem is and frankly, I don't care. nt - Soundmind 16:49:26 04/26/06 (0)
- Regarding this quote... - andy_c 21:27:46 04/25/06 (11)
- not really fair to Stereophile, Andy - Bruce from DC 06:38:18 04/26/06 (7)
- Re: not really fair to Stereophile, Andy - andy_c 04/27/0620:18:52 04/27/06 (4)
- make my day! - Bruce from DC 06:06:37 04/28/06 (3)
- Re: make my day! - regmac 13:18:46 04/30/06 (0)
- Re: make my day! - John Atkinson 10:20:20 04/28/06 (1)
- Re: "conditions" - Bruce from DC 13:44:57 04/28/06 (0)
- Re: not really fair to Stereophile, Andy - regmac 12:34:11 04/26/06 (1)
- Good point, and it hightlights an important difference: - robert young 12:33:56 04/27/06 (0)
- Re: Regarding this quote... - John Atkinson 04:03:16 04/26/06 (1)
- Re: Regarding this quote... - Ozzie 19:20:18 04/27/06 (0)
- It seems - bjh 22:13:33 04/25/06 (0)
- Re: Stereophile tells readers and manufacturers what they want to hear - regmac 12:05:18 04/24/06 (22)
- Ever notice... - Ozzie 17:48:12 04/25/06 (6)
- Ironic actually! - bjh 18:35:51 04/25/06 (5)
- Re: Ironic actually! - Ozzie 18:29:43 04/27/06 (1)
- Equipment on the list ... - bjh 19:00:43 04/27/06 (0)
- More irony - kerr 04:50:41 04/26/06 (2)
- Re: More irony - Ozzie 18:22:44 04/27/06 (1)
- Re: More irony - kerr 04:26:24 04/28/06 (0)
- Re: Stereophile tells readers and manufacturers what they want to hear - John Atkinson 09:19:50 04/25/06 (14)
- Re: Stereophile tells readers and manufacturers what they want to hear - Soundmind 04:31:52 04/28/06 (0)
- Re: Stereophile tells readers and manufacturers what they want to hear - regmac 14:33:22 04/25/06 (12)
- Re: Stereophile tells readers and manufacturers what they want to hear - J-PMatt@Comcast.Net 14:37:00 04/25/06 (11)
- Re: Stereophile tells readers and manufacturers what they want to hear - John Atkinson 04:16:24 04/26/06 (8)
- Re: Stereophile tells readers and manufacturers what they want to hear - J-PMatt@Comcast.Net 05:53:32 04/26/06 (7)
- Re: Stereophile tells readers and manufacturers what they want to hear - regmac 08:00:02 04/26/06 (6)
- Re: Stereophile tells readers and manufacturers what they want to hear - J-PMatt@Comcast.Net 10:49:59 04/26/06 (5)
- Re: "my company" - Bruce from DC 11:01:48 04/26/06 (4)
- Re: "my company" - J-PMatt@Comcast.Net 12:56:51 04/26/06 (3)
- Thanks, JP! - Bruce from DC 06:49:15 04/27/06 (2)
- And one has to be very carefull when dealing with. - Ivan303 10:01:04 04/27/06 (0)
- Re: Thanks, JP! - J-PMatt@Comcast.Net 08:32:17 04/27/06 (0)
- Very well put Matt. - Ozzie 18:17:06 04/25/06 (1)
- Re: Very well put Matt. - J-PMatt@Comcast.Net 14:42:12 04/26/06 (0)
- Audio Asylum, such a wonderful place to indulge your anger and bitterness -t - Sordidman 09:07:05 04/24/06 (1)
- OR - Bruce Kendall 11:47:14 04/24/06 (0)
- What care you for listening evaluations? After all - bjh 08:57:02 04/24/06 (0)
- Re: John Atkinson's Rebuttal of Ben Goldacre's "Bad Science" - porziob@aol.com 15:11:15 04/23/06 (3)
- Re: John Atkinson's Rebuttal of Ben Goldacre's "Bad Science" - thetubeguy1954 11:42:06 04/24/06 (1)
- Tubeguy... - Ozzie 18:21:11 04/25/06 (0)
- DBTs don't feature large - or feature *at all* by manufacturers as well - E-Stat 06:51:54 04/24/06 (0)
- Well, blind tests have it all over sighted listening for reliability. - Pat D 14:01:25 04/23/06 (52)
- Pat, here's a bone... - mkuller 13:46:08 04/26/06 (0)
- OK but they are never used, Makes them irellevent for us don't you think??? - Robert Hamel 10:03:31 04/24/06 (1)
- Re: OK but they are never used, Makes them irellevent for us don't you think??? - Pat D 17:11:57 04/24/06 (0)
- Reliability for determining what? - E-Stat 19:14:08 04/23/06 (22)
- Re: Reliability for determining what? - old2randr 06:23:56 04/24/06 (21)
- How do you know you have "reliably" measured the results? - E-Stat 06:40:08 04/24/06 (20)
- Use a large sample size like drug trials n/t - old2randr 07:03:36 04/24/06 (19)
- bad comparison - Bruce from DC 07:48:47 04/24/06 (14)
- Re: bad comparison - old2randr 15:57:38 04/24/06 (10)
- Re: "scientific comparisons must be repeatable" - Bruce from DC 15:59:46 04/25/06 (0)
- :) - E-Stat 19:48:19 04/24/06 (3)
- Re: :) - old2randr 21:37:59 04/24/06 (2)
- You answered your own question - E-Stat 04:40:34 04/25/06 (0)
- Re: :) - bjh 23:02:08 04/24/06 (0)
- This is a rather one sided - bjh 17:25:24 04/24/06 (3)
- Re: This is a rather one sided - Ozzie 20:52:23 05/5/06 (0)
- Re: This is a rather one sided - old2randr 21:52:13 04/24/06 (1)
- Re: This is a rather one sided - bjh 22:50:11 04/24/06 (0)
- Yep! - Pat D 17:01:45 04/24/06 (0)
- Re: bad comparison - LarryB 08:45:19 04/24/06 (1)
- jeez, that's a broad statement - Bruce from DC 10:05:47 04/24/06 (0)
- There is another reason for the comparison being ill suited - bjh 08:11:45 04/24/06 (0)
- I'll say it again - E-Stat 07:21:44 04/24/06 (3)
- Agreed. - old2randr 15:42:33 04/24/06 (2)
- And hence to make claims - bjh 16:09:15 04/24/06 (1)
- That is quite wrong ... - old2randr 21:59:39 04/24/06 (0)
- Make a claim - provide the evidence... - mkuller 15:06:34 04/23/06 (16)
- I just accept the science in the field. - Pat D 18:17:18 04/23/06 (15)
- So you have no evidence - where's the comparative data? (nt) - mkuller 13:14:13 04/25/06 (14)
- I don't tell the pharmacists about pharmacy . . . - Pat D 13:56:57 04/25/06 (13)
- This is an audio hobbyist group. . . - mkuller 14:12:40 04/25/06 (12)
- If your DBTs are SO reliable... - Ozzie 18:36:01 04/27/06 (0)
- Re: This is an audio hobbyist group. . . - Pat D 18:33:00 04/25/06 (10)
- Four out of five dentists recommend Crest. . . - mkuller 22:37:38 04/25/06 (5)
- You misunderstand totally. - Pat D 05:57:30 04/26/06 (4)
- the blind men and the elephant - Bruce from DC 11:10:52 04/26/06 (1)
- Re: the blind men and the elephant - Pat D 20:09:22 04/26/06 (0)
- Expert shmexpert - show me the comparative data...(nt) - mkuller 10:08:50 04/26/06 (1)
- If you want to place your views on the same level as that of respected researchers, that's fine, but . . . - Pat D 15:41:40 04/26/06 (0)
- " I have been able to show how silly ...." - bjh 18:39:55 04/25/06 (3)
- Re: " I have been able to show how silly ...." - Ozzie 21:08:58 05/5/06 (0)
- So audio hobbyists need not be constrained by truth or evidence? - Pat D 19:26:08 04/25/06 (1)
- So audio hobbyists need not be constrained by truth or evidence? - Ozzie 21:12:31 05/5/06 (0)
- What care you for listening evaluations? After all - bjh 14:32:38 04/23/06 (8)
- You don't know what you are talking about. - Pat D 18:05:20 04/23/06 (7)
- Measurements, "reliability ... WAF", great! But again, what care you for listening evaluations? nt - bjh 18:39:55 04/23/06 (6)
- As I said, you don't know what your are talking about. - Pat D 18:45:06 04/23/06 (5)
- wow, the only thing missing here is - hifitommy 06:24:36 04/24/06 (0)
- "I expect the thing measures well enough to be audibly transparent." Would listening in such a case be necessary? LOL nt - bjh 18:50:48 04/23/06 (3)
- So? Why wouldn't I listen to it? Come on, tell us. - Pat D 19:07:26 04/23/06 (2)
- It's only logical that given two preamplifiers that measured - bjh 20:13:56 04/23/06 (0)
- Good heavens, man! You don't call that 'logic' do you? - Pat D 16:39:05 04/24/06 (0)
- What I have never seen - Frihed89 08:00:58 04/23/06 (6)
- So you can stop worrying about the possiblity of being sold - Al Sekela 08:53:28 04/23/06 (5)
- I have no idea what you mean - Frihed89 14:47:49 04/23/06 (1)
- Its a USA thing... - Al Sekela 12:09:30 04/26/06 (0)
- What if they put something in our water that makes us - Bruce Kendall 10:25:37 04/23/06 (2)
- Re: What if they put something in our water that makes us - Robert Deutsch 18:48:34 04/23/06 (1)
- That whole British thing... - robert young 04:26:45 04/24/06 (0)
- Re: John Atkinson's Rebuttal of Ben Goldacre's "Bad Science" - porziob@aol.com 13:05:59 04/22/06 (1)
Follow Ups
- Re: not really fair to Stereophile, Andy - andy_c 04/27/0620:18:52 04/27/06 (4)
- make my day! - Bruce from DC 06:06:37 04/28/06 (3)
- Re: make my day! - regmac 13:18:46 04/30/06 (0)
- Re: make my day! - John Atkinson 10:20:20 04/28/06 (1)
- Re: "conditions" - Bruce from DC 13:44:57 04/28/06 (0)
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