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Topic - Shameful Editorial in Stereophile by Jim Austin - Charles Hansen 15:28:15 09/15/05 (244)

How to go Charles! - bjh 09:19:01 09/17/05 (1)

You can add Bobby Palcovic, besides the others you gratuitously ignore: - clarkjohnsen 09:41:17 09/17/05 (0)

Re: Shameful Editorial in Stereophile by Jim Austin - Doc Gaw 05:35:33 09/17/05 (13)

An excellent idea. nt - markrohr 08:55:11 09/17/05 (0)

You've missed the point - Charles Hansen 06:28:09 09/17/05 (3)

Re: You've missed the point - Doc Gaw 06:15:04 09/19/05 (0)

While you are quite right, about the original topic... - clarkjohnsen 07:31:05 09/17/05 (0)

Things change. - bjh 06:58:32 09/17/05 (0)

Great Idea! - bjh 06:18:33 09/17/05 (7)

Set it up using Ayre components - Dave Pogue 08:59:54 09/17/05 (6)

Re: Set it up using Ayre components - john curl 09:05:13 09/17/05 (5)

Just two questions, John. - Dave Pogue 09:15:07 09/17/05 (4)

Re: Just two questions, John. - john curl 09:18:17 09/17/05 (3)

That sums it up nicely - Dave Pogue 11:42:26 09/17/05 (0)

Still think you should put in Drasin's URL when you do that... - clarkjohnsen 11:11:09 09/17/05 (1)

Re: Still think you should put in Drasin's URL when you do that... - john curl 11:38:03 09/17/05 (0)

Re: same old, same old - geoffkait 04:24:07 09/17/05 (5)

Meet the new Stereophile - Charles Hansen 06:18:47 09/17/05 (4)

Re: Positive Review of Tice Clock (corrected link) - geoffkait 11:22:17 09/17/05 (2)

Did he do a controlled blind test? - Pat D 16:14:54 09/17/05 (1)

Re: Controlled blind tests are for sissies! {nt} - geoffkait 06:06:06 09/18/05 (0)

Great Tom Norton quote! And he doesn't even boast a PhD... nt - clarkjohnsen 07:32:44 09/17/05 (0)

Congrats to all! The bar has been raised for beating dead horses! - bwkendall 13:59:57 09/16/05 (11)

Apparently you (along with others) have missed the point - Charles Hansen 20:47:20 09/16/05 (5)

Trust me on this one, the point didn't elude me. - bwkendall 10:37:57 09/17/05 (3)

So when *did* it? Fess up! nt - clarkjohnsen 11:12:03 09/17/05 (2)

You know me, Clark! - bwkendall 13:26:32 09/17/05 (1)

Been good, been good. Decided life without the other Br*ce is far more comfortable... - clarkjohnsen 11:21:25 09/18/05 (0)

Re: Apparently you (along with others) have missed the point - Wendell Narrod 08:16:56 09/17/05 (0)

Right up there with religion, abortion and politics! - garth 18:40:02 09/16/05 (0)

Problem is, it won't *stay* dead. ;-) - markrohr 15:51:33 09/16/05 (0)

I mean, Brucie, what's "critics" for? - Bruce from DC 14:35:26 09/16/05 (2)

Re: I mean, Brucie, what's "critics" for? - Septarnebula 16:02:40 09/16/05 (0)

[Sigh] This seems to be one of those topics - bwkendall 14:42:19 09/16/05 (0)

And foidamoah (as they say in JA's Brooklyn) ... - samtellig 13:31:47 09/16/05 (5)

Re: And foidamoah (as they say in JA's Brooklyn) ... - regmac 14:10:54 09/16/05 (0)

Re: And foidamoah (as they say in JA's Brooklyn) ... - john curl 13:41:05 09/16/05 (3)

Apparently you and John Tucker of Exemplar don't count in his opinion - Norm 14:23:27 09/16/05 (2)

As the one who first showed John Tucker, I can tell you the change registered on his face. nt - clarkjohnsen 07:35:58 09/17/05 (1)

Re: As the one who first showed John Tucker, I can tell you the change registered on his face. nt - Bobby Palkovic 09:36:03 09/17/05 (0)

Re: Shameful Editorial in Stereophile by Jim Austin - Bruce from DC 07:12:23 09/16/05 (38)

Not crap, but not brilliant -- just normal human desires. - Charles Hansen 21:14:47 09/16/05 (7)

The problem with your position - Al Sekela 09:23:58 09/18/05 (0)

That's the smartest thing I've heard you say. - Jim Austin 05:34:14 09/17/05 (1)

Re: That's the smartest thing I've heard you say. - john curl 08:36:59 09/17/05 (0)

Just one question - Dave Pogue 05:03:14 09/17/05 (1)

Re: Just one question - john curl 08:39:50 09/17/05 (0)

How 'bout we get Bill Nye the Science Guy... - Wellfed 23:17:42 09/16/05 (1)

Apologies to Jim Austin... - Wellfed 14:53:13 09/17/05 (0)

What crap! - Don T 18:55:54 09/16/05 (2)

An amplification on point #2 - Charles Hansen 20:55:55 09/16/05 (1)

Who's he calling chump Willis? [nt] - Wellfed 14:14:08 09/17/05 (0)

Brilliant, Bruce! - samtellig 13:17:24 09/16/05 (16)

Shame on Sam Tellig - Charles Hansen 08:18:43 09/17/05 (0)

"Shame on Charles Hansen!" - clarkjohnsen 07:51:27 09/17/05 (6)

Re: "Shame on Charles Hansen!" - john curl 08:43:22 09/17/05 (5)

And you have me to thank for that! nt - clarkjohnsen 08:56:00 09/17/05 (4)

Re: And you have me to thank for that! nt - john curl 09:14:26 09/17/05 (3)

Also I have written permission from Dan Drasin..,. - clarkjohnsen 09:16:40 09/17/05 (2)

Re: Also I have written permission from Dan Drasin..,. - john curl 09:22:18 09/17/05 (1)

No, so long as you include his URL I think we're covered. However... - clarkjohnsen 09:37:42 09/17/05 (0)

OMG!! I'm agreeing with Sam and Bruce... - TeddiJackEddie 18:06:14 09/16/05 (2)

"I still can't believe I'm agreeing with Sam " - Don T 20:33:22 09/16/05 (1)

Yeah, I must have been having a special day... - TeddiJackEddie 03:28:43 09/17/05 (0)

Couldn't the same be said of marketing in general?... - Wellfed 13:41:04 09/16/05 (2)

Maybe it could ... - samtellig 14:01:05 09/16/05 (1)

Precisely... - Wellfed 14:36:10 09/16/05 (0)

Re: Brilliant, Bruce! - john curl 13:20:30 09/16/05 (1)

Hi, John. I've been through this shit before, with the Tice Clock. - samtellig 13:27:38 09/16/05 (0)

Bravo! - Al Sekela 12:57:56 09/16/05 (2)

Re: Bravo! - john curl 13:09:44 09/16/05 (1)

One only wonders, do they read the manual of obloquy, or does it just come natural to them. nt - clarkjohnsen 07:53:40 09/17/05 (0)

Wow: Nice post Bruce: your argument is the BEST one - Sordidman 10:05:58 09/16/05 (0)

Exactly the way I feel Bruce-thanks both to you and Jim!-NT - lancelot 08:07:32 09/16/05 (0)

Re: Shameful Editorial in Stereophile by Jim Austin - regmac 08:04:26 09/16/05 (4)

Re: your last sentence - Bruce from DC 08:46:59 09/16/05 (3)

Re: your last sentence - morricab 13:15:44 09/18/05 (0)

Re: your last sentence - regmac 12:03:41 09/16/05 (1)

Re: "transitory transition happiness" - Bruce from DC 12:26:32 09/16/05 (0)

Re: Shameful Editorial in Stereophile by Jim Austin - KlausR. 06:59:52 09/16/05 (21)

clean and non-polluted? - CD 12:07:36 09/17/05 (6)

Re: clean and non-polluted? - KlausR. 01:35:59 09/18/05 (5)

"...repelling people like myself." Perhaps that's just as well? I mean... - clarkjohnsen 07:13:25 09/19/05 (0)

Re: clean and non-polluted? - CD 15:32:48 09/18/05 (0)

There are non-audio forums that laugh us to scorn as well... - Wellfed 09:02:00 09/18/05 (2)

Practical ways - KlausR. 10:14:06 09/18/05 (1)

I am looking for practical ways to end the circular discussions... - Wellfed 11:30:44 09/18/05 (0)

The placebo effect is a misnomer. It is a two way street . - Norm 07:53:46 09/16/05 (8)

Re: The placebo effect is a misnomer. It is a two way street . - KlausR. 08:21:05 09/16/05 (7)

And John Dunlavy sold special speaker wire? - Norm 10:17:19 09/16/05 (2)

Did he claim it made an audible difference? - Pat D 11:26:51 09/16/05 (1)

Of course he made the claim that it made a difference - Norm 14:28:36 09/16/05 (0)

"I don't believe that the chip works at all." Funny, how religion has found a secure foothold among... - clarkjohnsen 09:54:57 09/16/05 (3)

Nonsense. Not all beliefs are religious. - Pat D 11:29:24 09/16/05 (2)

I believe there is no room for irony, in your universe. nt - clarkjohnsen 12:00:21 09/16/05 (1)

And there isn't room for common sense in yours. nt - Dan Banquer 13:38:51 09/16/05 (0)

Thanks, Klaus - Jim Austin 07:10:39 09/16/05 (4)

GK not even have deceived anyone intentionally. - KlausR. 07:39:52 09/16/05 (3)

Re: GK not even have deceived anyone intentionally. - Jim Austin 08:10:16 09/16/05 (0)

Case for fraud, possibly - Lynn 07:45:11 09/16/05 (1)

It's 'fraud' when there is a successful attempt to deceive for purposes of profit. Not complicated at all! (nt) - vacuous 10:51:57 09/16/05 (0)

Re: Shameful Editorial in Stereophile by Jim Austin - John Atkinson 06:37:09 09/16/05 (5)

It would be great... - Charles Hansen 21:31:10 09/16/05 (4)

What I said was - Jim Austin 05:42:27 09/17/05 (3)

The object of your derision... - Wellfed 14:22:13 09/17/05 (1)

Re: The object of your derision... - john curl 14:58:13 09/17/05 (0)

Re: What I said was - john curl 08:59:56 09/17/05 (0)

Two (short) additions - Jim Austin 05:41:21 09/16/05 (34)

This is just a bunch of arrogant poppycock - Charles Hansen 21:26:28 09/16/05 (15)

Each of these requires careful study... - Jim Austin 05:26:09 09/17/05 (14)

Read it and weep. - Charles Hansen 06:24:28 09/17/05 (13)

Could you speak a little more plainly? - Jim Austin 10:38:27 09/17/05 (10)

OK, I'll try again - Charles Hansen 07:34:55 09/18/05 (8)

Umm Charles... - Wellfed 09/18/0509:14:57 09/18/05 (7)

As far as I can tell... - Charles Hansen 09:33:05 09/18/05 (6)

Re: As far as I can tell... - john curl 09:46:34 09/18/05 (5)

Ain't gonna do it... - Wellfed 09:57:20 09/18/05 (4)

Re: Ain't gonna do it... - john curl 10:06:22 09/18/05 (3)

Are you talking about Kramer? [nt] - Wellfed 10:57:28 09/18/05 (2)

Re: Are you talking about Kramer? [nt] - john curl 11:37:57 09/18/05 (1)

How about a hint... - Wellfed 19:59:42 09/18/05 (0)

Unless... - Jim Austin 11:32:44 09/17/05 (0)

Good question. - clarkjohnsen 07:57:24 09/17/05 (1)

Yip! Yip! (nt) - Jim Austin 10:39:55 09/17/05 (0)

You have already admitted to being swayed by your biases - Norm 06:45:49 09/16/05 (13)

Yes, we all are swayed. - Jim Austin 07:02:35 09/16/05 (12)

There you go again, Jim - Norm 08:07:54 09/16/05 (11)

"Appeal to Authority." Yes. I was taught that in high school... - clarkjohnsen 10:04:24 09/16/05 (0)

Probability - Jim Austin 08:23:56 09/16/05 (9)

Unfortunately the mind can deceive you into believing there is no effect also. - Norm 10:22:32 09/16/05 (8)

Re: Unfortunately the mind can deceive you into believing there is no effect also. - Pat D 11:37:21 09/16/05 (7)

Again the science goes both ways. Those who don't hear a difference, don't want to. - Norm 14:33:40 09/16/05 (6)

Human perception is subject to bias. - Pat D 19:13:19 09/16/05 (5)

Can differences among components be noted using DBT - Norm 20:13:06 09/16/05 (4)

Re: Can differences among components be noted using DBT - Pat D 09:49:56 09/17/05 (3)

I am aware of that limited instance. How come nothing more? - Norm 13:37:00 09/17/05 (2)

Spare me. - Pat D 16:09:43 09/17/05 (1)

I will certainly spare you and me. I think you are wrong and you me. good day. nt - Norm 18:14:06 09/17/05 (0)

Yup - John Atkinson 06:43:10 09/16/05 (3)

Edison discovered "the Edison effect", later to lead to vacuum tubes, but... - clarkjohnsen 12:53:17 09/16/05 (0)

Drive a car through that huge hole in your and Mr. Austin's reasoning ... - vacuous 11:34:49 09/16/05 (0)

Re: Yup - Jim Austin 06:50:54 09/16/05 (0)

you are guilty of similar practices - jeromelang 22:25:57 09/15/05 (3)

Last time I checked... - Charles Hansen 22:38:10 09/15/05 (2)

i provided a link to that post in an earlier post on hi-rez board so that you can take note of it - jeromelang 04:34:59 09/16/05 (1)

So please post a link to a post that supports your accusation - Charles Hansen 06:27:26 09/16/05 (0)

Expert opinion - Rojocafe 21:28:18 09/15/05 (10)

Re: Expert opinion - john curl 22:41:39 09/15/05 (4)

OK John, I give up - Charles Hansen 22:43:46 09/15/05 (3)

Re: OK John, I give up - john curl 22:54:26 09/15/05 (2)

The list, numbered for your convenience... - Brian Walsh 10:54:45 09/16/05 (0)

#5 is SO GOOD! nt - clarkjohnsen 09:52:21 09/16/05 (0)

Same answer as post below - Charles Hansen 21:35:04 09/15/05 (4)

That would now be... - Jim Austin 05:32:19 09/16/05 (3)

Yet another apeal to "authority" eh! ... - Wellfed 15:29:38 09/16/05 (0)

Re: That would now be... - John Atkinson 06:38:40 09/16/05 (1)

Re: That would now be... - TomLarson 12:05:23 09/16/05 (0)

excellent points - Don T 20:49:18 09/15/05 (2)

Unfortunately, I must agree... - Charles Hansen 22:19:25 09/15/05 (1)

"But for heaven's sake, at least he listened to the thing." Yeah... although... - clarkjohnsen 09:35:10 09/16/05 (0)

Re: Shameful Editorial in Stereophile by Jim Austin - hahax@rcn.com 20:12:23 09/15/05 (9)

"...who claimed that Einstein was wrong and the speed of light could be exceeded in his designs." Hmm... - clarkjohnsen 09:48:12 09/16/05 (4)

clarification - tunenut 12:21:55 09/16/05 (2)

Nevertheless... nt - clarkjohnsen 12:49:15 09/16/05 (1)

Yet....(NT) - tunenut 14:32:31 09/17/05 (0)

Re: "...who claimed that Einstein was wrong and the speed of light could be exceeded in his designs." Hmm... - TomLarson 12:11:22 09/16/05 (0)

At least you tried it before you dismissed it - Charles Hansen 20:22:22 09/15/05 (3)

Ahem ! - Sherlock 20:31:03 09/15/05 (2)

Not sure I understand your questions - Charles Hansen 21:06:30 09/15/05 (1)

And I don't understand your answer - Dave Pogue 04:35:36 09/16/05 (0)

Re: Shameful Editorial in Stereophile by Jim Austin - bjh 19:32:32 09/15/05 (24)

That's impressive... - Charles Hansen 19:44:45 09/15/05 (23)

And altogether typical. [Sigh] nt - clarkjohnsen 09:37:48 09/16/05 (1)

I've noticed you're at your best when you say little. - bjh 12:55:17 09/16/05 (0)

That's rich ... - bjh 20:21:57 09/15/05 (20)

Huh? - Charles Hansen 20:26:49 09/15/05 (19)

Look, before we continue can you answer a simple query? - bjh 21:02:47 09/15/05 (18)

No, I've never tried it - Charles Hansen 21:15:12 09/15/05 (17)

Re: No, I've never tried it - regmac 11:42:58 09/16/05 (1)

Re: No, I've never tried it - Jim Austin 13:32:20 09/16/05 (0)

To satisfy your curiosity - bjh 22:23:33 09/15/05 (14)

Now that I've answered your question... - Charles Hansen 22:42:09 09/15/05 (12)

What if they had dismissed SACD based on... - KlausR. 07:19:32 09/16/05 (0)

Comparing the SACD format to the "Intelligent Chip" is beyond ludicrous - Dave Pogue 04:41:13 09/16/05 (8)

Actually, the similarities are striking - Charles Hansen 07:10:07 09/17/05 (7)

I think I see the problem - John Atkinson 04:57:52 09/18/05 (0)

Speaking of ridiculous advertising claims, check out the Ayre website - Dave Pogue 08:16:03 09/17/05 (5)

Re: Speaking of ridiculous advertising claims, check out the Ayre website - Charles Hansen 10:15:35 09/17/05 (4)

#5 - Dave Pogue 11:57:44 09/17/05 (3)

Let me try again... - Charles Hansen 14:37:52 09/17/05 (1)

Charles, you DID accuse Sony of making ridiculous advertising claims - Dave Pogue 15:05:55 09/17/05 (0)

Oh... - Charles Hansen 14:25:32 09/17/05 (0)

"Forget the Intelligent Chip." Oh, this is about something else? nt - bjh 04:00:48 09/16/05 (1)

Duh? nt - Don T 23:07:17 09/16/05 (0)

Re: To satisfy your curiosity - john curl 22:37:12 09/15/05 (0)

"Intelligent" chip - Jim Tavegia 18:50:38 09/15/05 (4)

"this hobby is about the proper application of science" - vacuous 10:15:15 09/16/05 (0)

Here's the thing of the deal - Charles Hansen 19:29:10 09/15/05 (2)

Sensible analysis -- but who wants it? - clarkjohnsen 09:50:03 09/16/05 (1)

Feeling neglected, Clark? - Dave Pogue 10:15:06 09/16/05 (0)

Re: Shameful Editorial in Stereophile by Jim Austin - Pjay 17:59:26 09/15/05 (5)

"...outside the laws of physics." Yes, as they were so wonderfully described by Isaac Newton... - clarkjohnsen 09:43:07 09/16/05 (0)

If you are willing... - Charles Hansen 20:05:24 09/15/05 (3)

I didn't . .. - Pjay 03:28:38 09/16/05 (2)

Fair enough - Charles Hansen 15:44:32 09/18/05 (0)

It can certainly be said that it is amazing :-) [nt] - Wellfed 15:24:28 09/16/05 (0)

Here's the problem (long) - Jim Austin 17:48:56 09/15/05 (33)

Re: Here's the problem (long) - john curl 11:53:28 09/16/05 (2)

Tee, hee! - Jim Austin 12:26:34 09/16/05 (1)

Re: Tee, hee! - john curl 13:17:13 09/16/05 (0)

Don't be silly (short) - Charles Hansen 23:46:02 09/15/05 (1)

"The rest of [Austin's] post reverts to mud slinging and libelous accusations." - clarkjohnsen 09:58:57 09/16/05 (0)

That's really not the problem as I see it. - Don T 22:43:03 09/15/05 (0)

Re: Here's the problem (long) - KKC 19:39:04 09/15/05 (11)

So here's my question - Charles Hansen 19:50:56 09/15/05 (10)

Yes there is! - lancelot 20:32:00 09/15/05 (1)

So do you think... - Charles Hansen 20:41:11 09/15/05 (0)

Not taking the bait... - KKC 20:22:28 09/15/05 (7)

I'm not fishing... - Charles Hansen 20:38:53 09/15/05 (6)

Fish On? - Sherlock 21:11:29 09/15/05 (5)

No inconsistency on my part - Charles Hansen 21:20:44 09/15/05 (4)

Whoah!! - Sherlock 21:26:43 09/15/05 (3)

What's strange with those 2 statements? - addict44 06:31:29 09/16/05 (1)

"The point was Charles TRIED." And that's the *whole* point nt - clarkjohnsen 10:16:12 09/16/05 (0)

Huh? - Charles Hansen 21:32:18 09/15/05 (0)

Don't try reasoning with unreasonable people. - Lynn 19:27:22 09/15/05 (3)

It seems you are having trouble with the "reasoning" concept - Charles Hansen 20:14:20 09/15/05 (2)

Actually, you have trouble understanding what is a reasonable concept - Lynn 06:53:47 09/16/05 (1)

"...is quite reasonable based upon simple physics." Thank God for Sir Isaac Newton, who... - clarkjohnsen 10:11:45 09/16/05 (0)

Re: Here's the problem (long) - TomLarson 19:05:51 09/15/05 (10)

Re: Here's the problem (long) - Charles Hansen 19:53:18 09/15/05 (9)

Re: Here's the problem (long) - TomLarson 20:12:45 09/15/05 (8)

Consumer Review buys every sample of everything they test - addict44 06:33:50 09/16/05 (5)

Re: Consumer Review buys every sample of everything they test - Ken Perkins 06:47:22 09/16/05 (4)

Re: Consumer Review buys every sample of everything they test - TomLarson 12:00:47 09/16/05 (3)

What kind of point are you trying to make with this statement?... - Wellfed 16:12:00 09/16/05 (2)

Re: What kind of point are you trying to make with this statement?... - john curl 20:39:08 09/16/05 (0)

Re: What kind of point are you trying to make with this statement?... - TomLarson 20:33:31 09/16/05 (0)

Not sure I agree with your assertion - Charles Hansen 20:54:21 09/15/05 (1)

Re: Not sure I agree with your assertion - TomLarson 12:16:39 09/16/05 (0)

Re: Shameful Editorial in Stereophile by Jim Austin - Sherlock 15:54:27 09/15/05 (3)

Yes, of course - Charles Hansen 16:46:41 09/15/05 (2)

Re: Yes, of course - Sherlock 17:57:09 09/15/05 (1)

Re: Yes, of course - Jim Austin 05:42:57 09/16/05 (0)

Follow Ups

Umm Charles... - Wellfed 09/18/0509:14:57 09/18/05 (7)

As far as I can tell... - Charles Hansen 09:33:05 09/18/05 (6)

Re: As far as I can tell... - john curl 09:46:34 09/18/05 (5)

Ain't gonna do it... - Wellfed 09:57:20 09/18/05 (4)

Re: Ain't gonna do it... - john curl 10:06:22 09/18/05 (3)

Are you talking about Kramer? [nt] - Wellfed 10:57:28 09/18/05 (2)

Re: Are you talking about Kramer? [nt] - john curl 11:37:57 09/18/05 (1)

How about a hint... - Wellfed 19:59:42 09/18/05 (0)