In Reply to: Criticizing the critics...and the designers posted by Soundmind on May 11, 2006 at 04:34:31:
True, but when you want to measure the loudspeaker and the loudspeaker only, then there's no way around (quasi)-anechoic conditions.If not in the anechoic chamber, where should the speaker manufacturer test his speakers? If he sets up a real world room, this room will very certainly be different from your room (or anyone else's). The next speaker manufacturer will use a different real world room, so how do you want to compare their measurements? What he/they could do is use a room according to IEC standard, but again, who has a room meeting this standard in his home.
There are speaker designers who do have insight and who do perform measurements, but from reactions during my inquiry I got the impression that it's a small minority. The rest of the lot I would call tinkerers, as you suggest, and would never ever buy speakers from them. And there's lots of highly valued names on that list.
Klaus
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- NOBODY listens to loudspeakers in an anechoic chamber - KlausR. 05/11/0605:37:24 05/11/06 (67)
- Re: NOBODY listens to loudspeakers in an anechoic chamber - Soundmind 06:10:53 05/11/06 (66)
- Re: Polar response - KlausR. 09:12:58 05/11/06 (5)
- Re: Polar response - Soundmind 09:28:06 05/11/06 (4)
- You're welcome but... - KlausR. 09:34:17 05/11/06 (3)
- Re: You're welcome but... - Soundmind 09:47:11 05/11/06 (2)
- Polar response again - KlausR. 10:59:04 05/11/06 (1)
- Re: Polar response again - Soundmind 11:44:13 05/11/06 (0)
- Question - John Atkinson 06:41:16 05/11/06 (59)
- I answered your question, now here's one for you - Soundmind 10:15:50 05/11/06 (34)
- No - John Atkinson 12:02:54 05/11/06 (0)
- Yes, a 5-band graphic equalizer, isn't it? Did you say it was 70's vintage? (sorry, but you've no system listed). nt - bjh 10:53:23 05/11/06 (32)
- Re: Yes, a 5-band graphic equalizer, isn't it? Did you say it was 70's vintage? (sorry, but you've no system listed). nt - Soundmind 13:12:15 05/11/06 (31)
- What preamp has a built-in 5-band equalizer? -t - Bruce Kendall 15:47:16 05/11/06 (27)
- A 1974 Harman-Kardon Citation 11 - E-Stat 16:02:53 05/11/06 (26)
- Just wondering. - Bruce Kendall 18:31:56 05/11/06 (0)
- Re: A 1974 Harman-Kardon Citation 11 - Soundmind 17:34:31 05/11/06 (24)
- I'm shocked!! - E-Stat 17:40:30 05/11/06 (23)
- Re: I'm shocked!! - Soundmind 17:52:54 05/11/06 (22)
- 2 years??!! - Bruce from DC 07:55:18 05/12/06 (12)
- Re: 2 years??!! - Soundmind 08:58:41 05/12/06 (11)
- Re: "measures flat but doesn't sound flat" - Bruce from DC 15:12:02 05/12/06 (1)
- Reproducing sound to be perceived as identical to something else is always subjective, that's what perception means - Soundmind 16:03:52 05/12/06 (0)
- Since when did Behringer become an audiophile firm? - E-Stat 14:59:29 05/12/06 (8)
- What do you mean "WE" kimosabe? - Soundmind 16:13:26 05/12/06 (7)
- Are you kidding? - E-Stat 16:27:15 05/12/06 (6)
- Maybe I read your post wrong, looks like you fell off the deep end - Soundmind 17:10:20 05/12/06 (5)
- You said you didn't like how they calculated "flat" and blamed audiophiles - E-Stat 17:19:46 05/12/06 (4)
- Re: You said you didn't like how they calculated "flat" and blamed audiophiles - Soundmind 17:46:11 05/12/06 (3)
- You left out one detail - E-Stat 18:48:02 05/12/06 (2)
- Re: You left out one detail - Soundmind 19:27:23 05/12/06 (1)
- Yeah, just think how much gear that could have - bjh 14:08:14 05/13/06 (0)
- Ok, now I'm relieved - E-Stat 18:23:11 05/11/06 (8)
- Re: Ok, now I'm relieved - Soundmind 18:54:00 05/11/06 (7)
- Wow! I guess amongst graphic equalizer buffs you must be The Man! :) nt - bjh 19:21:31 05/11/06 (6)
- I find them a useful and powerful tool when properly used - Soundmind 23:38:54 05/11/06 (5)
- What audiophiles also tend to forget is... - KlausR. 08:51:08 05/12/06 (4)
- Re: What audiophiles also tend to forget is... - Soundmind 09:03:33 05/12/06 (3)
- Re: What audiophiles also tend to forget is... - Pat D 17:19:00 05/12/06 (2)
- Another funny point - Soundmind 18:19:49 05/12/06 (1)
- Have to wear the boots again with this one... - E-Stat 18:55:33 05/12/06 (0)
- Did you dispense with the BSR 10 band units? - E-Stat 13:38:38 05/11/06 (2)
- Eureka! I believe you've uncovered a means to clear the Dark Gloomy Cloud hanging over this forum, ... - bjh 13:46:32 05/11/06 (1)
- As an "irrational audiophile", I will likely surprise the hell out of SM - E-Stat 14:33:52 05/11/06 (0)
- Re: Question - RGA 07:36:19 05/11/06 (3)
- "I'm sure he'd be less hostile in person." One would hope. However... - clarkjohnsen 08:47:23 05/11/06 (0)
- "...I think a manufacturer should offer him a job" - bjh 08:35:36 05/11/06 (1)
- I was being genuine... - RGA 08:54:55 05/12/06 (0)
- Re: Question - Soundmind 07:17:13 05/11/06 (19)
- Re: Question - hexenboden 10:48:09 05/11/06 (0)
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- I pick "C" - Pjay 08:36:39 05/11/06 (16)
- Re: I pick "C" - Soundmind 09:12:40 05/11/06 (6)
- Re: I pick "C" - Pjay 11:30:16 05/11/06 (0)
- Have to agree - kerr 10:28:38 05/11/06 (1)
- Re: Have to agree - Soundmind 11:55:47 05/11/06 (0)
- "color television" huh? Tell me, when was the last time you attempted to "walk into" some scene on your TV? nt - bjh 10:07:45 05/11/06 (2)
- Yeah, if he thinks color television problems have been "solved," - Dave Pogue 11:01:16 05/11/06 (0)
- ps. Have you ever noticed that when you walk behind your TV set - bjh 10:44:44 05/11/06 (0)
- Allow me to add a point? - KlausR. 09:00:57 05/11/06 (8)
- Re: Allow me to add a point? - Soundmind 09:21:23 05/11/06 (7)
- Re: And what do you suppose would happen if actual musicians performed in your listening room? - KlausR. 09:40:47 05/11/06 (6)
- Re: And what do you suppose would happen if actual musicians performed in your listening room? - Soundmind 09:51:36 05/11/06 (5)
- Back to mono? (nt) - KlausR. 10:48:30 05/11/06 (4)
- Re: Back to mono? (nt) - Soundmind 11:46:09 05/11/06 (3)
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