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Topic - M. Fremer on "Digital disaster", suggestion to Stereophile - KlausR. 23:55:29 11/11/05 (218)

• Re: M. Fremer on "Digital disaster", suggestion to Stereophile - GregTheAudiophile 01:44:11 11/20/05 (0)
• Re: Such the comedian! - eso 11:48:20 11/18/05 (13)
• A puzzle - John Atkinson 15:53:29 11/18/05 (12)
• human nature... - haugenmarka@hotmail.com 09:00:09 11/22/05 (0)
• JA,, you are disappointing me! - KlausR. 22:55:02 11/18/05 (9)
• Re: JA,, you are disappointing me! - Jim Tavegia 13:09:46 11/19/05 (1)
• Sony - KlausR. 00:21:12 11/21/05 (0)
• Re: Klaus, you are contradicting yourself! - eso 07:32:45 11/19/05 (6)
• I agree... - haugenmarka@hotmail.com 15:01:00 11/22/05 (0)
• Re: Klaus, you are contradicting yourself! No, I don't. - KlausR. 22:38:14 11/19/05 (4)
• Re: Klaus, you ARE contradicting yourself... - eso 08:10:59 11/20/05 (3)
• Squirmy ain't he? LOL nt - bjh 07:57:46 11/21/05 (0)
• I don't see any contradiction here... - Wellfed 08:43:38 11/20/05 (1)
• Re: I don't see any clarification one way or the other... nt - eso 10:52:39 11/20/05 (0)
• Indeed.... - Bung 18:40:44 11/18/05 (0)
• Digital is like fingernails on a chackboard, I will keep with analog if I want to listen to music and enjoy it.... - haugenmarka@hotmail.com 09:13:25 11/18/05 (7)
• I'm reading those anti-digital rants and I think by myself... - KlausR. 07:29:22 11/19/05 (6)
• Re: I'm reading those anti-digital rants and I think by myself... - john curl 21:03:42 11/19/05 (5)
• And what does that prove? - KlausR. 23:00:55 11/19/05 (4)
• it's that bad... - haugenmarka@hotmail.com 15:05:07 11/21/05 (2)
• Re: I bought a CDP in 1984... - theaudiohobby 17:45:51 11/24/05 (1)
• mistake ... 1994... - haugenmarka@hotmail.com 12:59:06 11/25/05 (0)
• If you can't be with the one you love... - Wellfed 11:34:20 11/20/05 (0)
• Klaus, are you sitting down? Good. I have to tell you something very scary. - markrohr 09:28:52 11/17/05 (39)
• Re: Klaus, are you sitting down? Good. I have to tell you something very scary. - theaudiohobby 20:14:15 11/17/05 (37)
• Re: Klaus, are you sitting down? Good. I have to tell you something very scary. - markrohr 10:51:33 11/18/05 (32)
• Re: Klaus, are you sitting down? Good. I have to tell you something very scary. - theaudiohobby 13:31:17 11/19/05 (31)
• Fine, I guess I'll have to find an o-scope photo that shows - markrohr 16:53:35 11/20/05 (30)
• Your crystal ball must be the same model as.... - KlausR. 00:02:29 11/21/05 (27)
• dynamic range... - haugenmarka@hotmail.com 15:04:59 11/22/05 (2)
• Re: dynamic range... - theaudiohobby 02:24:51 11/23/05 (0)
• Re: dynamic range... - KlausR. 23:59:12 11/22/05 (0)
• Re: Your crystal ball must be the same model as.... - morricab 06:54:19 11/21/05 (20)
• Real life - KlausR. 21:33:20 11/21/05 (18)
• Re: Real life - morricab 01:32:16 11/22/05 (17)
• Re: Real life - KlausR. 03:02:31 11/22/05 (10)
• Re: Real life - morricab 07:44:32 11/22/05 (9)
• Re: Real life - KlausR. 00:21:32 11/23/05 (0)
• "If [the speakers] measure flat to 20Khz it is likely too bright sounding." --Oh, man, truer words were never spoken! nt - markrohr 09:00:21 11/22/05 (7)
• Re: "If [the speakers] measure flat to 20Khz it is likely too bright sounding." --Oh, man, truer words were never spoken - morricab 00:15:45 11/23/05 (6)
• Yup. nt - markrohr 03:09:27 11/23/05 (0)
• Flat anechoic response... - KlausR. 02:05:52 11/23/05 (4)
• Re: Flat anechoic response... - morricab 07:35:31 11/23/05 (3)
• As JGH once said, "Down with Flat!" ;-) nt - markrohr 10:43:19 11/23/05 (2)
• What else did JGH say? - KlausR. 00:18:06 11/25/05 (1)
• "Did you ever read Floyd Toole's AES papers[?]" Yes, I have. - markrohr 05:08:26 11/25/05 (0)
• Re: Real life - theaudiohobby 02:25:17 11/22/05 (5)
• Re: Real life - morricab 07:31:23 11/22/05 (4)
• Re: Real life - theaudiohobby 02:32:07 11/23/05 (3)
• Re: Real life - morricab 07:55:11 11/23/05 (2)
• Re: Real life - theaudiohobby 17:14:14 11/23/05 (1)
• Re: Real life - morricab 05:14:54 11/24/05 (0)
• Thanks for saying it better than I could. nt - markrohr 12:37:09 11/21/05 (0)
• "I suggest that you listen to real good ones." - markrohr 04:25:07 11/21/05 (2)
• Re: "I suggest that you listen to real good ones." - theaudiohobby 04:59:00 11/21/05 (1)
• "those limits are within the capability of the modern audio technology." - markrohr 06:50:32 11/21/05 (0)
• Re: Nope just decent substantive evidence - theaudiohobby 17:50:30 11/20/05 (1)
• If you're already there, congratulations. Have fun! nt - markrohr 04:06:52 11/21/05 (0)
• Good question - KlausR. 21:36:13 11/17/05 (3)
• Re: Good question - theaudiohobby 01:27:30 11/19/05 (0)
• Re: Good question - theaudiohobby 10:53:55 11/18/05 (1)
• Believing is hearing! - KlausR. 06:39:56 11/19/05 (0)
• Cicadas produce 106dB... - csero 12:32:05 11/17/05 (0)
• In the interest of fair and balanced reporting, I would like both vinyl and polycarbonate media to cease production. - TAFKA Steve 15:04:27 11/16/05 (3)
• Wow, I ran out at almost exactly the same point - DAT 10:48:25 11/18/05 (0)
• Only if the hard drive's in Mexico (or somewhere NOT in our homes! - Muzikmike 08:46:57 11/18/05 (1)
• nightmare just thinking about it! - haugenmarka@hotmail.com 09:16:55 11/18/05 (0)
• Re: M. Fremer on "Digital disaster", suggestion to Stereophile - Don T 06:38:49 11/16/05 (3)
• My experience to date ... - bjh 08:29:30 11/16/05 (2)
• Well gosh that's nice to hear! - Don T 07:07:41 11/18/05 (1)
• Poor little huffy puffy Donny, always good for a cheap laugh though. LOL nt - bjh 07:29:00 11/21/05 (0)
• Here's the Bottom Line - Myles B. Astor 19:50:02 11/15/05 (10)
• agree... - haugenmarka@hotmail.com 09:18:52 11/18/05 (0)
• Re: Here's the Bottom Line - john curl 07:56:49 11/18/05 (0)
• Nice to hear from you again, Myles...(nt) - mkuller 14:34:44 11/17/05 (1)
• Thanks :) (nt) - Myles B. Astor 19:12:35 11/17/05 (0)
• CDs all day long - KlausR. 05:33:16 11/16/05 (5)
• Reading is no substitute for experience. - Al Sekela 15:53:53 11/16/05 (0)
• Re: "what does my comment prove?" - Bruce from DC 06:24:26 11/16/05 (3)
• What you can't post - KlausR. 06:36:25 11/16/05 (2)
• Do you know what the "B" beside his moniker means? (nt) - E-Stat 15:53:44 11/17/05 (0)
• hypocrite - robert young 01:31:00 11/17/05 (0)
• Alrighty then, that's that! Next up we have tubes vs. solid state, - bwkendall 11:56:55 11/15/05 (1)
• answer-TUBES and SURROUND done conservatively - hifitommy 21:26:56 11/15/05 (1)
• After reading this entire thread (so far) ... - Dave Pogue 04:17:14 11/15/05 (14)
• "We may also enjoy digital . . . without preferring it." ----nicely put! nt - markrohr 12:15:35 11/16/05 (0)
• Read my lips, Brutus: You. Too. Can't. Read! - KlausR. 05:40:12 11/15/05 (12)
• No, I read you just fine - Dave Pogue 06:05:39 11/15/05 (11)
• Because polycarbonatophiles do care... - KlausR. 06:23:02 11/15/05 (10)
• Why this endless bitter debate? - rbolaw 13:24:40 11/15/05 (0)
• What reality? - mt10425 09:46:02 11/15/05 (0)
• Re: "Vinyl was the format of the 50+" - Rob Doorack 09:28:12 11/15/05 (6)
• NOT over 50 at all.... - haugenmarka@hotmail.com 09:30:28 11/18/05 (0)
• 2004 sales figures in USA - KlausR. 01:28:31 11/16/05 (4)
• What does that have to do with your claim that vinyl is for "50+" only? - Rob Doorack 05:55:42 11/16/05 (0)
• Questionable figures - Dave Pogue 04:44:45 11/16/05 (2)
• Those numbers are generally calculated - bwkendall 13:50:17 11/17/05 (0)
• Re: Questionable figures - mt10425 05:39:47 11/16/05 (0)
• Okay, so you're already making the primary point about vinyl - Dave Pogue 06:39:18 11/15/05 (0)
• now there's a new topic- vinyl vs. digital... - tunenut 22:44:46 11/14/05 (2)
• Re: now there's a new topic- vinyl vs. digital... - regmac 06:42:17 11/15/05 (1)
• actually I just read an article about "Intelligent Falling" - tunenut 18:07:30 11/15/05 (0)
• Ain't it simply amazing ... - bjh 16:13:05 11/13/05 (5)
• Denon vs AT = apples vs oranges - KlausR. 01:39:27 11/15/05 (3)
• It's a case of the proof being in the pudding, and BTW I never said one was 'better' than the other! Learn to read! nt - bjh 08:49:52 11/15/05 (2)
• You said "inferior", didn't you? - KlausR. 21:51:56 11/15/05 (1)
• Wow! you are incredibly sloppy ... - bjh 08:43:56 11/16/05 (0)
• Re: Ain't it simply amazing ... - thetubeguy1954 07:57:13 11/14/05 (0)
• Re: AES? Geez, you mean... - geoffkait 07:41:10 11/13/05 (61)
• Did you ever read one of these papers? - KlausR. 08:24:31 11/13/05 (60)
• Re: And furthermore... - geoffkait 10:26:38 11/13/05 (2)
• Re: And furthermore... - regmac 06:54:27 11/15/05 (1)
• Re: "Bemoaning the deplorable sound at CES venues" - geoffkait 07:31:15 11/15/05 (0)
• you need to lighten up - robert young 08:35:31 11/13/05 (56)
• Without those experts, charts and numbers... - KlausR. 08:55:04 11/13/05 (55)
• Re: Without those experts, charts and numbers... - morricab 08:25:36 11/14/05 (39)
• Re: Without those experts, charts and numbers... - KlausR. 09:22:02 11/14/05 (38)
• The usual assumption - E-Stat 12:21:02 11/14/05 (37)
• Re: The usual assumption - KlausR. 01:21:46 11/15/05 (36)
• Seriously - E-Stat 04:09:59 11/15/05 (35)
• Re: Seriously - KlausR. 06:41:15 11/15/05 (34)
• Re: Seriously - morricab 10:48:25 11/15/05 (13)
• Musical and others tastes - KlausR. 23:49:46 11/15/05 (12)
• Re: Musical and others tastes - morricab 01:36:12 11/17/05 (4)
• Re: Musical and others tastes - KlausR. 02:20:13 11/17/05 (3)
• Re: Musical and others tastes - morricab 07:33:31 11/17/05 (2)
• Regarding the late, great Michael Hedges - E-Stat 16:48:24 11/17/05 (1)
• Re: Regarding the late, great Michael Hedges - morricab 05:47:49 11/18/05 (0)
• Let's see, you don't like classical, music, jazz, or blues - Dave Pogue 04:56:30 11/16/05 (1)
• Of course I want them to accept my views! - KlausR. 05:22:21 11/16/05 (0)
• Re: Musical and others tastes - Amerigo 01:33:55 11/16/05 (4)
• German audio mags - KlausR. 05:16:37 11/16/05 (3)
• Re: German audio mags - Amerigo 00:01:49 11/17/05 (2)
• Surfing - KlausR. 22:50:01 11/19/05 (1)
• Re: Surfing - morricab 07:01:01 11/21/05 (0)
• Calibration. - markrohr 09:55:42 11/15/05 (0)
• Where do I start from such a response? - E-Stat 09:14:08 11/15/05 (16)
• Re: Where do I start from such a response? - KlausR. 22:03:20 11/15/05 (8)
• Continue to miss the points - E-Stat 04:41:21 11/16/05 (7)
• You shall not judge another person's taste... - KlausR. 05:30:53 11/16/05 (6)
• Re: You shall not judge another person's taste... - morricab 02:01:00 11/17/05 (3)
• Re: You shall not judge another person's taste... - KlausR. 06:53:53 11/17/05 (2)
• Re: You shall not judge another person's taste... - morricab 07:11:46 11/17/05 (1)
• "I have an SPL meter and I use it, Klaus." - markrohr 09:13:07 11/17/05 (0)
• Dynamic range - E-Stat 05:41:07 11/16/05 (1)
• You may shake yor head as long as you want... - KlausR. 06:21:43 11/16/05 (0)
• Live drum kits - markrohr 09:57:54 11/15/05 (6)
• Excellent - E-Stat 10:39:19 11/15/05 (5)
• More than that . . . - markrohr 11:35:45 11/15/05 (4)
• Re: More than that . . . - morricab 02:05:33 11/17/05 (0)
• Re: More than that . . . - theaudiohobby 06:44:41 11/16/05 (0)
• Agreed on all points - E-Stat 11:56:12 11/15/05 (1)
• Re: Agreed on all points - morricab 02:07:24 11/17/05 (0)
• "I don't like classical music." There may be the whole problem. - clarkjohnsen 08:10:58 11/15/05 (1)
• That's rubbish! - KlausR. 23:59:22 11/15/05 (0)
• I disagree... - robert young 09:26:24 11/13/05 (14)
• Well said. Bravo! nt - clarkjohnsen 08:12:18 11/15/05 (0)
• Why is it so difficult... - KlausR. 00:03:46 11/14/05 (12)
• audio is art directed engineering: unless you think it all sounds the same - Sordidman 11:17:41 11/15/05 (2)
• Unless proven otherwise, yes, it all sounds the same - KlausR. 00:55:35 11/16/05 (1)
• Please: either go out and get some experience, or go Troll over at Audio Circle -t - Sordidman 07:05:13 11/16/05 (0)
• Re: Why is it so difficult... - Tom Schuman 07:38:38 11/14/05 (2)
• Go listen to the Jolida JD100 tube CD player and say that (nt) - Jim Tavegia 16:14:25 11/17/05 (1)
• I said some material... - Tom Schuman 09:55:03 11/18/05 (0)
• Maybe because... - robert young 03:24:09 11/14/05 (5)
• "It is the work of inventors with ears..." Yes indeed: Versed in the Art, as they say. nt - clarkjohnsen 08:15:45 11/15/05 (0)
• We are getting further and further away from the initial message! - KlausR. 05:07:02 11/14/05 (3)
• Not really Klaus. - robert young 05:14:02 11/14/05 (2)
• Re: Not really Klaus. - KlausR. 05:39:08 11/14/05 (1)
• hoisted by your own petard - robert young 05:59:03 11/14/05 (0)
• Re: M. Fremer on "Digital disaster", suggestion to Stereophile - Jim Tavegia 05:45:03 11/13/05 (24)
• The point I tried to make, but apparently without success... - KlausR. 06:40:41 11/13/05 (23)
• Re: The point I tried to make, but apparently without success... - Bruce from DC 08:35:39 11/14/05 (12)
• Fremer the saviour? - KlausR. 23:52:32 11/14/05 (2)
• answer to your last question: yes - Bruce from DC 06:06:02 11/15/05 (1)
• Re: answer to your last question: yes - KlausR. 00:40:00 11/16/05 (0)
• Re: The point I tried to make, but apparently without success... - jamesgarvin 11:51:53 11/14/05 (8)
• Re: The point I tried to make, but apparently without success... - Pat D 07:45:00 11/16/05 (6)
• Forgot to add.... - jamesgarvin 16:49:08 11/16/05 (0)
• Re: The point I tried to make, but apparently without success... - jamesgarvin 16:42:01 11/16/05 (4)
• You are correct, and I have the evidence in my files... somewhere... nt - clarkjohnsen 11/18/0508:24:01 11/18/05 (0)
• Re: The point I tried to make, but apparently without success... - Pat D 10:26:26 11/17/05 (2)
• Re: The point I tried to make, but apparently without success... - jamesgarvin 16:43:48 11/17/05 (1)
• Re: The point I tried to make, but apparently without success... - Pat D 17:29:45 11/17/05 (0)
• You have exposed the curs and their curdom... for all the good that will do. nt - clarkjohnsen 08:20:09 11/15/05 (0)
• Re: The point I tried to make, but apparently without success... - morricab 00:11:43 11/14/05 (6)
• Re: The point I tried to make, but apparently without success... - KlausR. 05:14:11 11/14/05 (5)
• Re: The point I tried to make, but apparently without success... - morricab 08:08:49 11/14/05 (4)
• Re: The point I tried to make, but apparently without success... - KlausR. 09:32:25 11/14/05 (3)
• Re: The point I tried to make, but apparently without success... - morricab 02:12:58 11/17/05 (2)
• Not a fair comparison - KlausR. 07:29:34 11/17/05 (1)
• Re: Not a fair comparison - morricab 07:54:02 11/17/05 (0)
• I know what you're trying to say, but the thing is... - Bersani 10:07:06 11/13/05 (2)
• Vinyl Has Had its Share Of Lemons - Mister Pig 16:08:19 11/13/05 (0)
• I'm amazed that vinyl sounds as good as it does. - Dave Pogue 10:59:11 11/13/05 (0)
• "the competent vinyl guys are leaving vinyl-city one by one." - Ivan303 18:00:56 11/12/05 (0)
• Those line-item theoretical problems, just in numbers alone, - cdb 15:43:59 11/12/05 (0)
• Sorry, Klaus, but young people are flocking to vinyl - bigi 14:10:07 11/12/05 (1)
• "Vinyl is not flawless." Unlike how its critics imagine themselves? nt - clarkjohnsen 06:28:40 11/12/05 (12)
• Please Clark, explain one thing - KlausR. 07:00:57 11/12/05 (11)
• Here's the deal. You tell me what in audio, in your estimation, *is* flawless... - clarkjohnsen 10:37:42 11/13/05 (10)
• No Clark... - KlausR. 09:39:40 11/14/05 (9)
• "Bashing digital seems to be the favorite sport amongst audiophiles and audio reviewers." Well, no. - clarkjohnsen 09:53:02 11/14/05 (8)
• Re: "Bashing digital seems to be the favorite sport amongst audiophiles and audio reviewers." Well, no. - KlausR. 11:12:10 11/14/05 (7)
• You still don't get it: Digital is being bashed for bad sound, not for sport. If CD were so great... - clarkjohnsen 08:06:52 11/15/05 (4)
• It's not because a couple of audio nuts... - KlausR. 08:56:38 11/15/05 (3)
• "You audiophiles guys are an absolute minority." THEN WHAT ARE YOU DOING HERE? - clarkjohnsen 09:46:33 11/15/05 (2)
• Where does it say that you have to be a certified audiophile? - KlausR. 06:34:01 11/16/05 (0)
• Perhaps he can find the "Low Resolution Forum" - E-Stat 12:36:50 11/15/05 (0)
• Bashing RBCD yes. sacd-no - hifitommy 19:51:24 11/14/05 (1)
• SACD is being bashed, but... - KlausR. 23:41:20 11/14/05 (0)
• "The competent vinyl guys are leaving vinyl-city" - Dave Pogue 04:27:14 11/12/05 (6)
• Re: "The competent vinyl guys are leaving vinyl-city" - hahax@rcn.com 21:01:31 11/12/05 (0)
• Those are some imbalanced comparisons. - bwkendall 14:57:17 11/12/05 (2)
• Of course I'm fighting imbalance with imbalance :-) - Dave Pogue 16:12:55 11/12/05 (1)
• I guess it is all in the player....or maybe the senses. - bwkendall 16:31:49 11/12/05 (1)
• The competent vinyl guys... - KlausR. 06:49:13 11/12/05 (1)
• Wow, is that lame? - Dave Pogue 14:31:38 11/12/05 (0)

Follow Ups

• You are correct, and I have the evidence in my files... somewhere... nt - clarkjohnsen 11/18/0508:24:01 11/18/05 (0)