Tweedledee and Tweedledum

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Topic - Why Can't The Audio Magazines Do This? - Charles Hansen 23:06:58 10/6/17 (206)

Sorry to repeat but my post was so buried in this thread, I think JA overlooked it - stehno 15:07:25 10/29/17 (0)

On the contrary - fmak 06:45:10 10/27/17 (1)

Not clear: Did you listen on an MQA-capable DAC? (NT) - Kal Rubinson 13:01:49 10/27/17 (0)

RE: Why Can't The Audio Magazines Do This? - FSonicSmith 17:17:33 10/22/17 (2)

RE: Why Can't The Audio Magazines Do This? - stehno 19:32:55 10/23/17 (0)

RE: Why Can't The Audio Magazines Do This? - Charles Hansen 21:29:25 10/22/17 (0)

RE: Why Can't The Audio Magazines Do This? - BubbaMike 23:28:31 10/19/17 (0)

RE: Why Can't The Audio Magazines Do This? - TubeDriver 10:01:12 10/18/17 (1)

RE: Why Can't The Audio Magazines Do This? - 4everyoung 10:30:17 10/18/17 (0)

RE: Why Can't The Audio Magazines Do This? - 4everyoung 02:31:03 10/13/17 (81)

RE: Why Can't The Audio Magazines Do This? - stehno 12:40:25 10/15/17 (54)

Maybe nothing... - Ivan303 13:25:50 10/15/17 (53)

RE: Maybe nothing... - stehno 13:45:23 10/15/17 (52)

Key Word: 'Maybe' - Ivan303 16:02:51 10/15/17 (51)

Harley writes ad copy - hawkmoon 16:53:44 10/15/17 (50)

Tweedledee and Tweedledum - DAP 10/16/1708:56:05 10/16/17 (44)

RE: Tweedledee and Tweedledum - stehno 00:06:30 10/17/17 (41)

RE: Tweedledee and Tweedledum - Krav Maga 15:37:15 10/19/17 (38)

Question for John Atkinson - DAP 15:57:59 10/19/17 (37)

RE: Question for John Atkinson - John Atkinson 16:35:20 10/19/17 (36)

If MQA is the "new world" of audio, I want no part of it - I'd rather dig ditches - Charles Hansen 21:46:22 10/19/17 (34)

RE: If MQA is the "new world" of audio, I want no part of it - I'd rather dig ditches - John Atkinson 10:02:43 10/21/17 (11)

RE: If MQA is the "new world" of audio, I want no part of it - I'd rather dig ditches - Charles Hansen 12:10:36 10/21/17 (10)

This is why over time - fmak 02:44:23 10/29/17 (0)

RE: If MQA is the "new world" of audio, I want no part of it - I'd rather dig ditches - mcgilroy 07:56:16 10/23/17 (0)

RE: If MQA is the "new world" of audio, I want no part of it - I'd rather dig ditches - John Atkinson 06:48:32 10/22/17 (0)

RE: If MQA is the "new world" of audio, I want no part of it - I'd rather dig ditches - Jim Austin 15:01:32 10/21/17 (3)

Please stop Jim, you are embarrassing yourself - Charles Hansen 00:03:58 10/22/17 (2)

I'll take my chances - Jim Austin 07:30:08 10/22/17 (0)

Last few paragraphs are a great summary of what appears to be the REAL issues with MQA (nt) - Steve O 06:18:29 10/22/17 (0)

Sorry, Charley. - Kal Rubinson 12:51:13 10/21/17 (2)

RE: Sorry, Charley. - Charles Hansen 13:06:03 10/21/17 (1)

Actually, Charles, you may want to rethink this.... - stehno 15:23:42 10/21/17 (0)

RE: If MQA is the "new world" of audio, I want no part of it - I'd rather dig ditches - Inmate51 14:26:34 10/20/17 (0)

Did the print magazines publish any of this? - Kal Rubinson 13:29:19 10/20/17 (9)

Look it up where and how? nt - Rick W 13:40:40 10/20/17 (8)

Google? - DAP 14:01:42 10/20/17 (7)

RE: Google? - Charles Hansen 03:01:49 10/21/17 (5)

You asked.................. - Kal Rubinson 06:00:11 10/21/17 (4)

What's in those links sure ain't my idea of calling a spade a spade. nt - Rick W 07:39:29 10/21/17 (3)

You can draw your own conclusions. (NT) - Kal Rubinson 10:26:53 10/21/17 (2)

I think he already did so. (nt) - Charles Hansen 12:56:30 10/21/17 (1)

And I am OK with that. (nt) - Kal Rubinson 18:48:32 10/21/17 (0)

Thanks. nt - Rick W 14:13:39 10/20/17 (0)

Does the Audiophile press have enough intellectual curiosity in regards to MQA? - Krav Maga 11:19:38 10/20/17 (3)

FWIW - Jim Austin 15:07:31 10/20/17 (2)

"both sides" - DAP 17:43:56 10/20/17 (1)

RE: "both sides" - Jim Austin 17:52:14 10/20/17 (0)

It will be interesting to hear John Atkinson's response - DAP 11:14:12 10/20/17 (6)

RE: It will be interesting to hear John Atkinson's response - John Atkinson 10:10:58 10/21/17 (5)

RE: It will be interesting to hear John Atkinson's response - DAP 15:43:31 10/23/17 (2)

RE: It will be interesting to hear John Atkinson's response - Charles Hansen 22:02:41 10/23/17 (0)

RE: It will be interesting to hear John Atkinson's response - stehno 21:12:48 10/23/17 (0)

RE: It will be interesting to hear John Atkinson's response - Charles Hansen 12:49:57 10/21/17 (0)

RE: NDAs - Krav Maga 10:52:06 10/21/17 (0)

My apologies, I will nt - DAP 16:37:07 10/19/17 (0)

It's just that - DAP 07:39:31 10/17/17 (1)

C'mon DAP, hold it together buddy. ... - stehno 18:58:25 10/17/17 (0)

RE: Tweedledee and Tweedledum - Ivan303 15:36:52 10/16/17 (1)

Could that be ... - DAP 20:51:41 10/16/17 (0)

RE: Harley writes ad copy - Ivan303 17:02:39 10/15/17 (4)

Yep. nt - Rick W 21:58:28 10/17/17 (0)

So did Harry for many a year - E-Stat 18:14:41 10/17/17 (0)

Not all editors are like Harley. - hawkmoon 17:15:45 10/15/17 (1)

RE: Not all editors are like Harley. - Charles Hansen 06:59:36 10/16/17 (0)

But what did he get? - DAP 09:22:59 10/13/17 (25)

Check out the MQA newsletter - 4everyoung 11:15:32 10/18/17 (1)

RE: Check out the MQA newsletter - Charles Hansen 18:54:17 10/18/17 (0)

Glowing reviews from the audio press - 4everyoung 18:14:37 10/14/17 (22)

If that's the case... - Ivan303 08:37:42 10/15/17 (0)

RE: Glowing reviews from the audio press - Charles Hansen 07:41:48 10/15/17 (20)

RE: There is this: - b.l.zeebub 01:10:24 10/16/17 (8)

RE: There is this: - Charles Hansen 06:49:03 10/16/17 (7)

RE: There is this: - Mel 20:11:13 10/18/17 (0)

RE: There is this: - John Atkinson 10:59:37 10/17/17 (5)

RE: There is this: - Mel 08:28:56 10/18/17 (0)

RE: There is this: - Charles Hansen 02:09:10 10/18/17 (2)

Did I really say that? - stehno 00:02:49 10/19/17 (1)

RE: Did I really say that? - Frihed89 15:54:16 11/2/17 (0)

RE: There is this: - Ivan303 19:45:49 10/17/17 (0)

I stand corrrected - 4everyoung 08:57:01 10/15/17 (10)

RE: I stand corrrected - Charles Hansen 19:13:39 10/15/17 (7)

Sounds like - Jim Austin 09:10:35 10/16/17 (6)

Sounds like you didn't read the article - DAP 09:40:23 10/16/17 (5)

It's true. - Jim Austin 10:05:48 10/16/17 (4)

Good point about the missing citations for the finance claims nt - DAP 11:32:11 10/16/17 (3)

RE: Good point about the missing citations for the finance claims nt - 4everyoung 12:28:47 10/16/17 (2)

Privately held British companies do indeed have certain financial disclosure rules... - Ivan303 14:18:32 10/16/17 (1)

Anybody can look up the history and financials of Meridian - Charles Hansen 02:16:44 10/18/17 (0)

RE: I stand corrrected - bigshow 17:31:23 10/15/17 (1)

RE: I stand corrrected - 4everyoung 18:56:42 10/15/17 (0)

RE: Why Can't The Audio Magazines Do This? - BubbaMike 11:08:24 10/10/17 (6)

Lots of people can't tell the difference between - oldmkvi 07:51:15 10/13/17 (3)

RE: Lots of people can't tell the difference between - BubbaMike 13:06:53 10/13/17 (2)

Hmm. You should re-read his post. Think you misunderstood it. nt - Rick W 16:45:00 10/13/17 (1)

RE: Hmm. You should re-read his post. Think you misunderstood it. nt - BubbaMike 00:16:22 10/14/17 (0)

+1...(nt) - mkuller 16:10:30 10/10/17 (0)

You Are Right... - Doug Schneider 11:32:07 10/10/17 (0)

This kind of says it all with MQA - RGA 21:08:00 10/7/17 (33)

"the buyer confused, buys nothing"Gilbert Briggs founder, Wharfedale - Cleantimestream 05:23:51 10/11/17 (1)

RE: "the buyer confused, buys nothing"Gilbert Briggs founder, Wharfedale - BubbaMike 11:27:08 10/11/17 (0)

RE: This kind of says it all with MQA - stehno 22:36:08 10/8/17 (9)

Well, many high end audio enthusiasts want to hear... - musetap 22:54:50 10/8/17 (8)

This all started with CD.. and reselling the same old back catalog for big money. Doing it again, and again.. - 3+4=5 14:02:18 10/9/17 (5)

Don't forget... - E-Stat 10:13:34 10/10/17 (1)

Damn, did I miss one? /nm/ - tketcham 16:51:07 10/11/17 (0)

Yeah, can we sell another 10m copies of Thriller?... - musetap 14:14:39 10/9/17 (2)

The guy I did the most for his retirement was Bob Dylan. Rebuying the same music over and over and over and... - 3+4=5 20:27:37 10/9/17 (1)

The Dylan catalog IS a cottage industry unto itself... - musetap 21:11:39 10/9/17 (0)

RE: So long as you have a hope, it's okay for others to hoodwink you... - stehno 23:30:08 10/8/17 (1)

Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me... - musetap 12:01:04 10/9/17 (0)

RE: This kind of says it all with MQA - Jim Austin 22:06:49 10/7/17 (20)

RE: This kind of says it all with MQA - RGA 23:42:32 10/7/17 (19)

My position - Jim Austin 07:17:39 10/8/17 (18)

RE: My position - Dave_K 05:53:58 10/9/17 (4)

RE: My position - Jim Austin 06:19:24 10/9/17 (3)

Have you bought an MQA compatible dac? - Rick W 09:02:44 10/9/17 (2)

RE: Have you bought an MQA compatible dac? - Jim Austin 09:10:33 10/9/17 (1)

Thanks for the quick reply. nt - Rick W 09:32:41 10/9/17 (0)

You make perfect sense to me - 4everyoung 21:15:52 10/8/17 (0)

RE: My position - RGA 18:53:59 10/8/17 (1)

RE: My position - Jim Austin 20:52:56 10/8/17 (0)

RE: My position - Charles Hansen 08:13:57 10/8/17 (9)

Charles, you are morphing into Isaak J. Garvey! - 13th Duke of Wymbourne 12:01:05 10/9/17 (2)

"The provenance and remastering of recordings has been a grey area for decades now." - Rick W 12:23:43 10/9/17 (1)

True that... - musetap 13:08:57 10/9/17 (0)

RE: My position - Jim Austin 08:38:56 10/8/17 (5)

RE: My position - John Atkinson 04:20:41 10/9/17 (0)

RE: My position - Charles Hansen 08:51:57 10/8/17 (3)

Is that what I'm doing? - Jim Austin 08:59:36 10/8/17 (2)

RE: Is that what I'm doing? - Charles Hansen 17:45:04 10/8/17 (1)

RE: Is that what I'm doing? - mcgilroy 05:46:00 10/27/17 (0)

P.S. - Jim Austin 14:09:42 10/7/17 (19)

So it SHOULD sound better... - Ivan303 20:26:13 10/7/17 (18)

It seems that "Master Quality Authenication" - E-Stat 10:09:32 10/9/17 (0)

Well apparently ... - Jim Austin 06:09:32 10/8/17 (11)

The vaults were already unlocked - Dave_K 04:12:30 10/9/17 (1)

Interesting POV... - musetap 12:07:21 10/9/17 (0)

RE: Well apparently ... - Charles Hansen 07:51:04 10/8/17 (8)

That's what I'd do if I were in the 'label's' position.... - Ivan303 08:02:57 10/8/17 (6)

RE: That's what I'd do if I were in the 'label's' position.... - Charles Hansen 17:32:00 10/8/17 (4)

RE: That's what I'd do if I were in the 'label's' position.... - jamesgarvin 23:28:56 10/9/17 (1)

Articulate, thoughtful post, James. /nm/ - tketcham 03:39:36 10/10/17 (0)

RE: That's what I'd do if I were in the 'label's' position.... - RGA 18:59:21 10/8/17 (0)

Best Post Ever on the State of the Music Industry?... - musetap 17:53:44 10/8/17 (0)

Downstream? - Jim Austin 09:50:20 10/8/17 (0)

For what it's worth ... - Jim Austin 08:01:57 10/8/17 (0)

RE: So it SHOULD sound better... - Charles Hansen 02:23:48 10/8/17 (0)

RE: So it SHOULD sound better... - Jim Austin 20:33:09 10/7/17 (3)

DRM in this case is quite simple.... - Ivan303 20:43:26 10/7/17 (2)

RE: DRM in this case is quite simple.... - Jim Austin 20:49:01 10/7/17 (1)

RE: DRM in this case is quite simple.... - Charles Hansen 03:08:31 10/8/17 (0)

Respectfully ... - Jim Austin 10:59:19 10/7/17 (45)

Well ... - DAP 09:49:07 10/10/17 (0)

"....they pursue the best quality masters...." ?? - Rick W 13:17:31 10/7/17 (12)

RE: "....they pursue the best quality masters...." ?? - Jim Austin 13:26:03 10/7/17 (11)

Some of that seems ridiculous to me. - Rick W 15:11:44 10/7/17 (10)

You do realize ... - Jim Austin 15:37:34 10/7/17 (9)

Hmm.... - Rick W 17:06:25 10/7/17 (8)

RE: Hmm.... - Jim Austin 17:51:25 10/7/17 (7)

RE: Hmm.... - Dave_K 04:34:19 10/9/17 (1)

Thanks. - Jim Austin 05:57:03 10/9/17 (0)

RE: Hmm.... - Rick W 20:17:58 10/7/17 (4)

RE: Hmm.... - RGA 23:57:19 10/7/17 (3)

"the best, most authentic masters they can find"/ Master Quality Authenticated... - musetap 17:43:55 10/8/17 (0)

RE: Hmm.... - Charles Hansen 02:17:45 10/8/17 (1)

RE: Hmm.... - RGA 04:22:08 10/8/17 (0)

RE: Respectfully ... - Frihed89 12:56:34 10/7/17 (30)

The Masters Matter Way More... - Doug Schneider 13:41:48 10/7/17 (20)

So the master was taken to be re-mastered for optimum playback on various formats?... - musetap 16:29:35 10/7/17 (19)

RE: So the master was taken to be re-mastered for optimum playback on various formats?... - Doug Schneider 17:02:32 10/7/17 (18)

RE: So the master was taken to be re-mastered for optimum playback on various formats?... - Jim Austin 18:09:07 10/7/17 (17)

RE: So the master was taken to be re-mastered for optimum playback on various formats?... - Doug Schneider 19:30:05 10/7/17 (11)

Bob Ludwig do? - Jim Austin 20:02:09 10/7/17 (10)

RE: Bob Ludwig do? - Doug Schneider 09:23:41 10/8/17 (6)

RE: Bob Ludwig do? - Jim Austin 09:49:36 10/8/17 (5)

"....the output of the recording studio before it is mastered." Jeez, it ain't rocket science. - Rick W 11:45:50 10/8/17 (1)

I beg to differ: it's ALL rocket science.... - musetap 13:13:04 10/9/17 (0)

The Point... - Doug Schneider 10:42:15 10/8/17 (2)

RE: The Point... - Jim Austin 10:47:26 10/8/17 (1)

RE: The Point... - Doug Schneider 13:05:46 10/8/17 (0)

Bob Ludwig do? - musetap 21:55:13 10/7/17 (2)

RE: Bob Ludwig do? - Jim Austin 22:01:37 10/7/17 (1)

In which case BMOH should be the terminology... - musetap 08:12:21 10/8/17 (0)

RE: So the master was taken to be re-mastered for optimum playback on various formats?... - ahendler 18:22:40 10/7/17 (4)

You are free ... - Jim Austin 18:31:27 10/7/17 (3)

RE: You are free ... - ahendler 15:52:56 10/8/17 (1)

Don't mention it. ;-) - Jim Austin 16:19:33 10/8/17 (0)

RE: You are free ... - Charles Hansen 01:45:27 10/8/17 (0)

You'll need to help me out here. - Jim Austin 13:31:31 10/7/17 (8)

RE: You'll need to help me out here. - Charles Hansen 01:50:42 10/8/17 (7)

RE: You'll need to help me out here. - BubbaMike 11:38:06 10/11/17 (2)

So who's the industry in this case? - Jim Austin 19:11:59 10/12/17 (1)

RE: So who's the industry in this case? - Charles Hansen 02:29:12 10/13/17 (0)

I'll answer for me--not Stereophile - Jim Austin 10:09:13 10/10/17 (0)

Charles, I'll bet dollars-to-donuts you already know the answer ... - stehno 19:37:13 10/9/17 (2)

RE: Charles, I'll bet dollars-to-donuts you already know the answer ... - Charles Hansen 02:19:40 10/18/17 (0)

RE: Charles, I'll bet dollars-to-donuts you already know the answer ... - Jay 14:27:02 10/15/17 (0)

So the I guess the question would be... - Ivan303 07:35:30 10/7/17 (4)

RE: So the I guess the question would be... - Charles Hansen 01:31:36 10/8/17 (0)

RE: So the I guess the question would be... - Doug Schneider 09:54:04 10/7/17 (2)

My point exactly... - Ivan303 20:21:36 10/7/17 (0)

??? " his point was the mastering process matters much more." - musetap 16:20:55 10/7/17 (0)

RE: Why Can't The Audio Magazines Do This? - Doug Schneider 07:16:00 10/7/17 (1)

RE: Why Can't The Audio Magazines Do This? - Charles Hansen 01:24:39 10/8/17 (0)

Nice work. nt - Frihed89 03:27:29 10/7/17 (0)

Follow Ups

Tweedledee and Tweedledum - DAP 10/16/1708:56:05 10/16/17 (44)

RE: Tweedledee and Tweedledum - stehno 00:06:30 10/17/17 (41)

RE: Tweedledee and Tweedledum - Krav Maga 15:37:15 10/19/17 (38)

Question for John Atkinson - DAP 15:57:59 10/19/17 (37)

RE: Question for John Atkinson - John Atkinson 16:35:20 10/19/17 (36)

If MQA is the "new world" of audio, I want no part of it - I'd rather dig ditches - Charles Hansen 21:46:22 10/19/17 (34)

RE: If MQA is the "new world" of audio, I want no part of it - I'd rather dig ditches - John Atkinson 10:02:43 10/21/17 (11)

RE: If MQA is the "new world" of audio, I want no part of it - I'd rather dig ditches - Charles Hansen 12:10:36 10/21/17 (10)

This is why over time - fmak 02:44:23 10/29/17 (0)

RE: If MQA is the "new world" of audio, I want no part of it - I'd rather dig ditches - mcgilroy 07:56:16 10/23/17 (0)

RE: If MQA is the "new world" of audio, I want no part of it - I'd rather dig ditches - John Atkinson 06:48:32 10/22/17 (0)

RE: If MQA is the "new world" of audio, I want no part of it - I'd rather dig ditches - Jim Austin 15:01:32 10/21/17 (3)

Please stop Jim, you are embarrassing yourself - Charles Hansen 00:03:58 10/22/17 (2)

I'll take my chances - Jim Austin 07:30:08 10/22/17 (0)

Last few paragraphs are a great summary of what appears to be the REAL issues with MQA (nt) - Steve O 06:18:29 10/22/17 (0)

Sorry, Charley. - Kal Rubinson 12:51:13 10/21/17 (2)

RE: Sorry, Charley. - Charles Hansen 13:06:03 10/21/17 (1)

Actually, Charles, you may want to rethink this.... - stehno 15:23:42 10/21/17 (0)

RE: If MQA is the "new world" of audio, I want no part of it - I'd rather dig ditches - Inmate51 14:26:34 10/20/17 (0)

Did the print magazines publish any of this? - Kal Rubinson 13:29:19 10/20/17 (9)

Look it up where and how? nt - Rick W 13:40:40 10/20/17 (8)

Google? - DAP 14:01:42 10/20/17 (7)

RE: Google? - Charles Hansen 03:01:49 10/21/17 (5)

You asked.................. - Kal Rubinson 06:00:11 10/21/17 (4)

What's in those links sure ain't my idea of calling a spade a spade. nt - Rick W 07:39:29 10/21/17 (3)

You can draw your own conclusions. (NT) - Kal Rubinson 10:26:53 10/21/17 (2)

I think he already did so. (nt) - Charles Hansen 12:56:30 10/21/17 (1)

And I am OK with that. (nt) - Kal Rubinson 18:48:32 10/21/17 (0)

Thanks. nt - Rick W 14:13:39 10/20/17 (0)

Does the Audiophile press have enough intellectual curiosity in regards to MQA? - Krav Maga 11:19:38 10/20/17 (3)

FWIW - Jim Austin 15:07:31 10/20/17 (2)

"both sides" - DAP 17:43:56 10/20/17 (1)

RE: "both sides" - Jim Austin 17:52:14 10/20/17 (0)

It will be interesting to hear John Atkinson's response - DAP 11:14:12 10/20/17 (6)

RE: It will be interesting to hear John Atkinson's response - John Atkinson 10:10:58 10/21/17 (5)

RE: It will be interesting to hear John Atkinson's response - DAP 15:43:31 10/23/17 (2)

RE: It will be interesting to hear John Atkinson's response - Charles Hansen 22:02:41 10/23/17 (0)

RE: It will be interesting to hear John Atkinson's response - stehno 21:12:48 10/23/17 (0)

RE: It will be interesting to hear John Atkinson's response - Charles Hansen 12:49:57 10/21/17 (0)

RE: NDAs - Krav Maga 10:52:06 10/21/17 (0)

My apologies, I will nt - DAP 16:37:07 10/19/17 (0)

It's just that - DAP 07:39:31 10/17/17 (1)

C'mon DAP, hold it together buddy. ... - stehno 18:58:25 10/17/17 (0)

RE: Tweedledee and Tweedledum - Ivan303 15:36:52 10/16/17 (1)

Could that be ... - DAP 20:51:41 10/16/17 (0)

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