In Reply to: Why Can't The Audio Magazines Do This? posted by Charles Hansen on October 6, 2017 at 23:06:58:
To accuse MQA of misleading consumers just because their "Master" files coexist with CD files on Tidal seems to me off-base. Did they ever claim that they were using the same master as the CD-quality Tidal files? On the contrary.
MQA is quite open about the fact that they pursue the best quality masters, and that they're often different from the masters used in (eg) CD releases. I consider this a feature, not a bug--and perhaps the best thing about MQA overall, perhaps the most important contributor to improved sound quality--better masters. The emphasis on using the best possible masters was a point of emphasis in a recent interview I did with Stuart--which unfortunately hasn't been published yet (my fault).
I agree that MQA needs to do a better job establishing the value of their format, by being more forthcoming about the technology, releasing the results of any listening tests they may have done, and facilitating quality listening tests by others. I'm less skeptical of the technology than you and others, but I will admit--indeed assert--that the rationale given for the technology so far is far less than rigorous.
In other contexts, you and other important figures have been OK with this--what rigorous results were presented to demonstrate say, the audibility of pre-ringing and the audible advantages of minimum-phase filters?--another technology that could be claimed to be doing harm to the sanctified signal by delaying highs more than lows. The only listening tests I'm aware of that aimed for rigor were at best inconclusive. People were encouraged not to worry about it. "Just listen. Trust your ears."
Now MQA is doing much the same thing, urging people to "trust their ears."
Yes, there is an important difference, for DACs and CD players at least: They're messing with the source data; DACs and CD players weren't doing that. But similar things have been done on the ADC end, and the fact remains that there's a longstanding tradition in this field of not worrying much, publicly at least, about technical rigor. As a result of that, there's no rigorous foundation for very much of audio's conventional wisdom and key assumptions. So why start now?
I think MQA needs to do better. But their approach so far is very much in the established tradition of high-end audio--an approach that's often advocated by many of its most important figures.
Best Regards,
Jim Austin
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Follow Ups
- Respectfully ... - Jim Austin 10/7/1710:59:19 10/7/17 (45)
- Well ... - DAP 09:49:07 10/10/17 (0)
- "....they pursue the best quality masters...." ?? - Rick W 13:17:31 10/7/17 (12)
- RE: "....they pursue the best quality masters...." ?? - Jim Austin 13:26:03 10/7/17 (11)
- Some of that seems ridiculous to me. - Rick W 15:11:44 10/7/17 (10)
- You do realize ... - Jim Austin 15:37:34 10/7/17 (9)
- Hmm.... - Rick W 17:06:25 10/7/17 (8)
- RE: Hmm.... - Jim Austin 17:51:25 10/7/17 (7)
- RE: Hmm.... - Dave_K 04:34:19 10/9/17 (1)
- Thanks. - Jim Austin 05:57:03 10/9/17 (0)
- RE: Hmm.... - Rick W 20:17:58 10/7/17 (4)
- RE: Hmm.... - RGA 23:57:19 10/7/17 (3)
- "the best, most authentic masters they can find"/ Master Quality Authenticated... - musetap 17:43:55 10/8/17 (0)
- RE: Hmm.... - Charles Hansen 02:17:45 10/8/17 (1)
- RE: Hmm.... - RGA 04:22:08 10/8/17 (0)
- RE: Respectfully ... - Frihed89 12:56:34 10/7/17 (30)
- The Masters Matter Way More... - Doug Schneider 13:41:48 10/7/17 (20)
- So the master was taken to be re-mastered for optimum playback on various formats?... - musetap 16:29:35 10/7/17 (19)
- RE: So the master was taken to be re-mastered for optimum playback on various formats?... - Doug Schneider 17:02:32 10/7/17 (18)
- RE: So the master was taken to be re-mastered for optimum playback on various formats?... - Jim Austin 18:09:07 10/7/17 (17)
- RE: So the master was taken to be re-mastered for optimum playback on various formats?... - Doug Schneider 19:30:05 10/7/17 (11)
- Bob Ludwig do? - Jim Austin 20:02:09 10/7/17 (10)
- RE: Bob Ludwig do? - Doug Schneider 09:23:41 10/8/17 (6)
- RE: Bob Ludwig do? - Jim Austin 09:49:36 10/8/17 (5)
- "....the output of the recording studio before it is mastered." Jeez, it ain't rocket science. - Rick W 11:45:50 10/8/17 (1)
- I beg to differ: it's ALL rocket science.... - musetap 13:13:04 10/9/17 (0)
- The Point... - Doug Schneider 10:42:15 10/8/17 (2)
- RE: The Point... - Jim Austin 10:47:26 10/8/17 (1)
- RE: The Point... - Doug Schneider 13:05:46 10/8/17 (0)
- Bob Ludwig do? - musetap 21:55:13 10/7/17 (2)
- RE: Bob Ludwig do? - Jim Austin 22:01:37 10/7/17 (1)
- In which case BMOH should be the terminology... - musetap 08:12:21 10/8/17 (0)
- RE: So the master was taken to be re-mastered for optimum playback on various formats?... - ahendler 18:22:40 10/7/17 (4)
- You are free ... - Jim Austin 18:31:27 10/7/17 (3)
- RE: You are free ... - ahendler 15:52:56 10/8/17 (1)
- Don't mention it. ;-) - Jim Austin 16:19:33 10/8/17 (0)
- RE: You are free ... - Charles Hansen 01:45:27 10/8/17 (0)
- You'll need to help me out here. - Jim Austin 13:31:31 10/7/17 (8)
- RE: You'll need to help me out here. - Charles Hansen 01:50:42 10/8/17 (7)
- RE: You'll need to help me out here. - BubbaMike 11:38:06 10/11/17 (2)
- So who's the industry in this case? - Jim Austin 19:11:59 10/12/17 (1)
- RE: So who's the industry in this case? - Charles Hansen 02:29:12 10/13/17 (0)
- I'll answer for me--not Stereophile - Jim Austin 10:09:13 10/10/17 (0)
- Charles, I'll bet dollars-to-donuts you already know the answer ... - stehno 19:37:13 10/9/17 (2)
- RE: Charles, I'll bet dollars-to-donuts you already know the answer ... - Charles Hansen 02:19:40 10/18/17 (0)
- RE: Charles, I'll bet dollars-to-donuts you already know the answer ... - Jay 14:27:02 10/15/17 (0)