Well, blind tests have it all over sighted listening for reliability. - Pat D

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Topic - John Atkinson's Rebuttal of Ben Goldacre's "Bad Science" - bjh 10:49:11 04/22/06 (274)

Re: John Atkinson's Rebuttal of Ben Goldacre's "Bad Science" - kerr 07:29:50 05/3/06 (0)

DBT and science - hexenboden 21:19:31 04/27/06 (2)

Re: DBT and science - bjh 07:46:59 04/28/06 (1)

Audio politics - hexenboden 08:15:26 04/28/06 (0)

Re: John Atkinson's Rebuttal of Ben Goldacre's "Bad Science" - andy19191 11:42:10 04/27/06 (34)

Re: John Atkinson's Rebuttal of Ben Goldacre's "Bad Science" - bjh 12:58:21 04/27/06 (33)

Re: John Atkinson's Rebuttal of Ben Goldacre's "Bad Science" - andy19191 15:06:55 04/27/06 (32)

Re: John Atkinson's Rebuttal of Ben Goldacre's "Bad Science" - John Atkinson 08:29:40 04/28/06 (20)

Re: John Atkinson's Rebuttal of Ben Goldacre's "Bad Science" - andy19191 11:53:22 04/28/06 (19)

Re: John Atkinson's Rebuttal of Ben Goldacre's "Bad Science" - bjh 12:55:26 04/28/06 (18)

Re: John Atkinson's Rebuttal of Ben Goldacre's "Bad Science" - andy19191 15:08:39 04/28/06 (13)

Re: John Atkinson's Rebuttal of Ben Goldacre's "Bad Science" - bjh 17:37:35 04/28/06 (12)

JA made a fairly elementary logical error, bjh. - Pat D 17:52:09 04/28/06 (11)

Pat, - bjh 20:14:44 04/28/06 (10)

No, in a criticism of what Mr. Goldacre SAID it's a major error. - Pat D 05:34:43 04/29/06 (9)

I, and no doubt many other, "hi-fi freaks" (Goldacre) understand why you would see it that way. :) nt - bjh 06:39:43 04/29/06 (8)

Ah yes. I've noticed you don't mind misrepresenting people's opinions, either. (nt) - Pat D 18:08:57 04/29/06 (7)

I-Child. nt - bjh 18:41:07 04/29/06 (6)

Are you just racist or what? - Pat D 11:42:13 05/1/06 (5)

Jesus that was stupid! You've outdone youself. Racist??? "Idiots" ... a Race!!!! Perfect Period. nt - bjh 12:17:38 05/1/06 (4)

I just did a search for I-Child and that's what I got . . . - Pat D 20:11:45 05/1/06 (3)

Pat, it appears you've located "IChild", not "I-Child"!; as a stickler for detail you'll acknowledge the difference. - bjh 07:54:17 05/2/06 (2)

My, my, my . . . - Pat D 08:00:32 05/2/06 (1)

drop me a line - Ozzie 21:45:23 05/5/06 (0)

Thanks - John Atkinson 13:52:39 04/28/06 (3)

Re: Thanks - andy19191 15:11:32 04/28/06 (1)

Re: Thanks - John Atkinson 11:09:42 04/29/06 (0)

np nt. - bjh 13:54:56 04/28/06 (0)

Re: John Atkinson's Rebuttal of Ben Goldacre's "Bad Science" - bjh 15:36:46 04/27/06 (10)

Re: John Atkinson's Rebuttal of Ben Goldacre's "Bad Science" - andy19191 23:11:40 04/27/06 (5)

I believe I did pick up on your - bjh 04:28:54 04/28/06 (4)

Re: I believe I did pick up on your - andy19191 05:14:37 04/28/06 (3)

Re: I believe I did pick up on your - bjh 07:09:41 04/28/06 (2)

Re: I believe I did pick up on your - andy19191 08:21:48 04/28/06 (1)

Contribution? - mkuller 11:17:47 04/28/06 (0)

Re: John Atkinson's Rebuttal of Ben Goldacre's "Bad Science" - Pat D 17:49:11 04/27/06 (3)

Study the following carefully Pat: - bjh 18:47:43 04/27/06 (2)

Re: Study the following carefully Pat: - Pat D 06:12:03 04/28/06 (1)

Seek assistance elsewhere, I can't help you. :) nt - bjh 07:11:58 04/28/06 (0)

Conjecture vs. proof - Pat D 19:24:02 04/25/06 (39)

Pat! - bjh 17:13:45 04/26/06 (36)

Already read it. - Pat D 19:53:43 04/26/06 (35)

"interconnect with the ground-shield connection made at one end from the other" - bjh 21:38:23 04/26/06 (34)

You read rhetorically, my statement was literal. - Pat D 04:41:12 04/27/06 (33)

One the question will you "... have the decency to STFU and accept your own statement?" - bjh 08:20:10 04/27/06 (32)

I can't help it if you misread what's there. - Pat D 10:17:03 04/27/06 (31)

So what is a "neutral" interconnect - E-Stat 16:00:46 04/27/06 (30)

Re: So what is a "neutral" interconnect - Pat D 17:18:21 04/27/06 (29)

Here's what you said - E-Stat 17:44:03 04/27/06 (28)

Re: Here's what you said - Pat D 17:50:54 04/27/06 (27)

Let's see if you can answer these simple questions - E-Stat 18:07:52 04/27/06 (26)

So, in fact, nothing in my statement was unclear and you want to shift the discussion. - Pat D 06:02:08 04/28/06 (8)

Fine - E-Stat 07:34:53 04/28/06 (7)

Provide some evidence. - Pat D 14:16:02 04/28/06 (6)

Evidence to what? - E-Stat 14:21:35 04/28/06 (5)

Re: Evidence to what? - Pat D 14:23:59 04/28/06 (4)

Is this a fair conclusion? - E-Stat 14:37:38 04/28/06 (3)

Not really. - Pat D 18:24:27 04/28/06 (2)

Everything sounds the same. Got it (nt) - E-Stat 18:51:59 04/28/06 (1)

Where do you get such silliness? (nt) - Pat D 19:10:31 04/28/06 (0)

E-Stat, you need to read Pat's tag line - Bruce from DC 05:52:28 04/28/06 (16)

Reminds me of the ever evasive Silver Eared John (nt) - E-Stat 13:33:22 04/28/06 (0)

Re: E-Stat, you need to read Pat's tag line - bjh 07:31:44 04/28/06 (0)

Re: E-Stat, you need to read Pat's tag line - regmac 07:03:45 04/28/06 (1)

to paraphrase our former President: - Bruce from DC 07:43:59 04/28/06 (0)

Oh no, he's just trying to trip me up. - Pat D 06:16:57 04/28/06 (11)

Re: "'being silly" - Bruce from DC 08:30:21 04/28/06 (1)

Re: "'being silly" - Pat D 14:18:58 04/28/06 (0)

Or, choice B - E-Stat 07:54:51 04/28/06 (8)

Apparently you missed the most important lecture during ... - bjh 08:03:17 04/28/06 (7)

Where did I assert my interconnects are neutral? - Pat D 14:21:58 04/28/06 (6)

Ah ha --- so your interconnects are NOT neutral? - Richard BassNut Greene 07:09:06 05/3/06 (5)

My dear Nut... - kerr 07:26:28 05/3/06 (4)

k. d. lang has one of the best female voices in pop music -- although may sound like "Tiny Tim on YOUR system - Richard BassNut Greene 07:50:29 05/3/06 (3)

She does - kerr 08:02:17 05/3/06 (2)

That was a very amusing post -- your ghostwriter is ? - Richard BassNut Greene 08:38:53 05/3/06 (1)

You of all people should be able to answer that! - kerr 08:53:54 05/3/06 (0)

Why do I care - Frihed89 01:30:20 04/26/06 (1)

How can I tell YOU what YOUR preferences are? - Pat D 05:50:55 04/26/06 (0)

A few observations - awsmone 21:12:16 04/24/06 (15)

Re: A few observations - old2randr 00:02:30 04/25/06 (14)

Re: A few observations - J-PMatt@Comcast.Net 04:33:00 04/27/06 (10)

A few inaccuracies - awsmone 08:37:11 04/27/06 (9)

Re: A few inaccuracies - J-PMatt@Comcast.Net 14:59:42 04/27/06 (8)

Found where you got the list from - awsmone 09:26:25 04/28/06 (3)

There's one more thing I'd like to address - J-PMatt@Comcast.Net 17:44:07 04/28/06 (1)

Re: There's one more thing I'd like to address - awsmone 22:35:52 04/28/06 (0)

There are quite a few lists like the one I presented - J-PMatt@Comcast.Net 13:37:36 04/28/06 (0)

There goes a big one - awsmone 07:06:27 04/28/06 (0)

Scratch another one - awsmone 23:29:19 04/27/06 (0)

Are - bjh 15:12:07 04/27/06 (1)

Re: Are - J-PMatt@Comcast.Net 20:26:22 04/27/06 (0)

Hmmmm--- - kavakidd 16:42:39 04/25/06 (0)

Second attempt - awsmone 02:22:10 04/25/06 (0)

Re: A few observations - awsmone 00:31:22 04/25/06 (0)

Stereophile tells readers and manufacturers what they want to hear - Richard BassNut Greene 08:52:10 04/24/06 (113)

The Real Truth (IMHO) - thetubeguy1954 07:13:46 04/26/06 (43)

High end audio = a field where people can claim to have exceptional skills and never have to prove it ! That's rare. - Richard BassNut Greene 09:07:57 04/26/06 (41)

Automotive engineering - E-Stat 14:49:07 04/27/06 (5)

Re: Automotive engineering - Soundmind 06:13:26 04/28/06 (2)

You missed my point - E-Stat 07:32:54 04/28/06 (1)

Re: You missed my point - Ozzie 09:38:58 04/29/06 (0)

actually, the difference is . . . - Bruce from DC 05:54:11 04/28/06 (1)

LOL! (nt) - E-Stat 07:35:29 04/28/06 (0)

Wine tasters, food critics, film reviewers, etc...(nt) - mkuller 11:41:46 04/27/06 (0)

Re: High end audio = a field where people can claim to have exceptional skills and never have to prove it ! That's rar - John Atkinson 14:41:21 04/26/06 (27)

If that was the best proof you have that all components sound different to you ... then I feel sorry for you - Richard BassNut Greene 09:12:08 05/1/06 (0)

It took you over 100 blind tests to come to the conclusion that blind tests are a waste of time? - Richard BassNut Greene 08:02:47 04/28/06 (21)

Ouch! - Ozzie 09:42:56 04/29/06 (0)

Please answer the question, Mr. Greene - John Atkinson 07:19:57 04/29/06 (13)

I answered your question in my May 1 post & answered every other question you asked in this post - Richard BassNut Greene 09:16:49 05/2/06 (4)

Patience, please, Mr Greene - John Atkinson 16:51:32 05/2/06 (3)

Waiting for YOUR answers to MY questions does require patience --- Infinite Patience is required (you don't respond) - Richard BassNut Greene 07:54:30 05/3/06 (2)

Why infinite? - John Atkinson 09:14:11 05/3/06 (1)

I swear I did not ghostwrite the JA post as a perfect example of what "non-answer" means! - Richard BassNut Greene 08:54:02 05/5/06 (0)

reference - Ozzie 09:46:03 04/29/06 (7)

Even evidence disappears in the face of disbelieve. - bjh 14:54:18 04/29/06 (1)

Obviously you care. - Ozzie 15:47:00 05/1/06 (0)

More uncritical thinking - John Atkinson 11:17:11 04/29/06 (4)

I am not a magazine writer... - Ozzie 16:19:00 05/1/06 (3)

We're all plowing the same furrow, Ozzie - John Atkinson 16:41:39 05/2/06 (2)

JA now says Stereophile reviewers do not have superior hearing ("Neither do we claim we have superior hearing, Ozzie") - Richard BassNut Greene 08:59:14 05/3/06 (1)

BassNut - Ozzie 13:37:45 05/3/06 (0)

If you want to know which tests were well designed, surely the ones with the null result were well done - Soundmind 10:36:52 04/28/06 (2)

Why take tests when you can claim exceptional hearing ability & your readers and advertisers will never ask for proof ? - Richard BassNut Greene 13:45:44 04/28/06 (1)

You have to take the "sucker factor" into account - Soundmind 14:06:20 04/28/06 (0)

Re: It took you over 100 blind tests to come to the conclusion that blind tests are a waste of time? - John Atkinson 08:47:36 04/28/06 (2)

Where are the "null results" for sighted auditions? Why do all components sound different ONLY when brands are known? - Richard BassNut Greene 08:16:10 05/3/06 (0)

We are all very fortunate.... - Soundmind 14:26:56 04/28/06 (0)

Re: High end audio = a field where people can claim to have exceptional skills and never have to prove it ! That's rar - Soundmind 05:41:55 04/28/06 (0)

Re: High end audio = a field where people can claim to have exceptional skills and never have to prove it ! That's rar - Ozzie 19:37:09 04/27/06 (2)

Please do the work and get back to me - John Atkinson 08:59:46 04/28/06 (0)

As far as "a" goes . . . - markrohr 04:34:45 04/28/06 (0)

Your DBT Challenge Was Accepted, So Put Up Or Shut Up! - thetubeguy1954 12:10:45 04/26/06 (4)

Short term memory is the first to go . . . - Pat D 13:24:19 04/26/06 (3)

No... Meds Affected My Posts - thetubeguy1954 10:36:50 04/27/06 (2)

Re: No... Meds Affected My Posts - Pat D 17:32:43 04/27/06 (1)

Re: No... Meds Affected My Posts - thetubeguy1954 10:16:08 04/28/06 (0)

Not rare, virtually unique. I can't think of any other field of endeavor short of the occult where this occurs nt - Soundmind 09:38:23 04/26/06 (0)

Excellent! Very well stated (nt) - kerr 07:53:42 04/26/06 (0)

That was a surprising post...not. (nt) - robert young 12:33:34 04/25/06 (0)

Re: Stereophile tells readers and manufacturers what they want to hear - John Atkinson 10:20:06 04/24/06 (64)

Will you ignore my questions and statements, and respond by attacking my character? - Richard BassNut Greene 08:57:29 04/26/06 (28)

Oh no, here comes Robert Young to defend JA - nightdoggy 17:20:12 05/1/06 (0)

OK, let's simmer down and take another look.......... - J-PMatt@Comcast.Net 16:38:38 04/26/06 (0)

The conflict of interest is obvious and without question - Soundmind 09:36:19 04/26/06 (25)

I remember reading an editorial in one of my motorcycle magazines - E-Stat 15:58:09 04/27/06 (18)

Believe whatever you like, it's your money - Soundmind 05:20:18 04/28/06 (13)

May you be very happy thinking that stuff is SOTA - E-Stat 07:49:19 04/28/06 (12)

Re: May you be very happy thinking that stuff is SOTA - Soundmind 10:29:13 04/28/06 (11)

"5 band graphic equalizer " Excuse me if I piss myself laughing MFAO! ... - bjh 13:16:50 04/28/06 (9)

Actually, the 5 band Cello Audio Pallette was killa - Ozzie 10:00:19 04/29/06 (5)

"and transparent" Personal experience? Or did you just read that somewhere? nt - bjh 20:04:22 04/29/06 (4)

Re: "and transparent" Personal experience? Or did you just read that somewhere? nt - Ozzie 10:02:32 05/4/06 (3)

So then, have you managed to get your hands on one? Or - bjh 12:30:38 05/4/06 (2)

Re: So then, have you managed to get your hands on one? Or - Ozzie 20:28:26 05/5/06 (1)

"The only EQ I need ..." Yeah, but Ozzie, that's you, other fellas need their 70's 5-band graphic equalizers because ... - bjh 20:13:56 05/6/06 (0)

And how do you compensate for different tonal balance on different recordings, change wires, swap amps? nt - Soundmind 14:30:49 04/28/06 (2)

I don't "compenstate", I enjoy the variety. "5 band graphic equalizer" F'in "A"! LOLTIBAR! nt - bjh 14:41:00 04/28/06 (1)

Re: I don't "compenstate", I enjoy the variety. "5 band graphic equalizer" F'in "A"! LOLTIBAR! nt - Soundmind 14:46:29 04/28/06 (1)

Two possible answers - E-Stat 11:50:01 04/28/06 (0)

With all due respect ... - bjh 17:36:58 04/27/06 (3)

We need a lawyer... - Ozzie 18:43:20 04/27/06 (2)

Good idea ... - bjh 18:50:08 04/27/06 (1)

Ah, a Clintonite, eh bj? - Ozzie 19:02:57 04/27/06 (0)

At least you are getting an unbiased view - Soundmind 16:48:45 04/26/06 (1)

That was the norm with TAS under HP - E-Stat 13:30:53 04/28/06 (0)

Your Post Makes A Case For NOT Doing DBTs - thetubeguy1954 12:38:49 04/26/06 (1)

Wine Spectator - Ozzie 18:51:20 04/27/06 (0)

Shame! Shame! ... - bjh 10:58:07 04/26/06 (1)

I don't know what your problem is and frankly, I don't care. nt - Soundmind 16:49:26 04/26/06 (0)

Regarding this quote... - andy_c 21:27:46 04/25/06 (11)

not really fair to Stereophile, Andy - Bruce from DC 06:38:18 04/26/06 (7)

Re: not really fair to Stereophile, Andy - andy_c 20:18:52 04/27/06 (4)

make my day! - Bruce from DC 06:06:37 04/28/06 (3)

Re: make my day! - regmac 13:18:46 04/30/06 (0)

Re: make my day! - John Atkinson 10:20:20 04/28/06 (1)

Re: "conditions" - Bruce from DC 13:44:57 04/28/06 (0)

Re: not really fair to Stereophile, Andy - regmac 12:34:11 04/26/06 (1)

Good point, and it hightlights an important difference: - robert young 12:33:56 04/27/06 (0)

Re: Regarding this quote... - John Atkinson 04:03:16 04/26/06 (1)

Re: Regarding this quote... - Ozzie 19:20:18 04/27/06 (0)

It seems - bjh 22:13:33 04/25/06 (0)

Re: Stereophile tells readers and manufacturers what they want to hear - regmac 12:05:18 04/24/06 (22)

Ever notice... - Ozzie 17:48:12 04/25/06 (6)

Ironic actually! - bjh 18:35:51 04/25/06 (5)

Re: Ironic actually! - Ozzie 18:29:43 04/27/06 (1)

Equipment on the list ... - bjh 19:00:43 04/27/06 (0)

More irony - kerr 04:50:41 04/26/06 (2)

Re: More irony - Ozzie 18:22:44 04/27/06 (1)

Re: More irony - kerr 04:26:24 04/28/06 (0)

Re: Stereophile tells readers and manufacturers what they want to hear - John Atkinson 09:19:50 04/25/06 (14)

Re: Stereophile tells readers and manufacturers what they want to hear - Soundmind 04:31:52 04/28/06 (0)

Re: Stereophile tells readers and manufacturers what they want to hear - regmac 14:33:22 04/25/06 (12)

Re: Stereophile tells readers and manufacturers what they want to hear - J-PMatt@Comcast.Net 14:37:00 04/25/06 (11)

Re: Stereophile tells readers and manufacturers what they want to hear - John Atkinson 04:16:24 04/26/06 (8)

Re: Stereophile tells readers and manufacturers what they want to hear - J-PMatt@Comcast.Net 05:53:32 04/26/06 (7)

Re: Stereophile tells readers and manufacturers what they want to hear - regmac 08:00:02 04/26/06 (6)

Re: Stereophile tells readers and manufacturers what they want to hear - J-PMatt@Comcast.Net 10:49:59 04/26/06 (5)

Re: "my company" - Bruce from DC 11:01:48 04/26/06 (4)

Re: "my company" - J-PMatt@Comcast.Net 12:56:51 04/26/06 (3)

Thanks, JP! - Bruce from DC 06:49:15 04/27/06 (2)

And one has to be very carefull when dealing with. - Ivan303 10:01:04 04/27/06 (0)

Re: Thanks, JP! - J-PMatt@Comcast.Net 08:32:17 04/27/06 (0)

Very well put Matt. - Ozzie 18:17:06 04/25/06 (1)

Re: Very well put Matt. - J-PMatt@Comcast.Net 14:42:12 04/26/06 (0)

Audio Asylum, such a wonderful place to indulge your anger and bitterness -t - Sordidman 09:07:05 04/24/06 (1)

OR - Bruce Kendall 11:47:14 04/24/06 (0)

What care you for listening evaluations? After all - bjh 08:57:02 04/24/06 (0)

Re: John Atkinson's Rebuttal of Ben Goldacre's "Bad Science" - porziob@aol.com 15:11:15 04/23/06 (3)

Re: John Atkinson's Rebuttal of Ben Goldacre's "Bad Science" - thetubeguy1954 11:42:06 04/24/06 (1)

Tubeguy... - Ozzie 18:21:11 04/25/06 (0)

DBTs don't feature large - or feature *at all* by manufacturers as well - E-Stat 06:51:54 04/24/06 (0)

Well, blind tests have it all over sighted listening for reliability. - Pat D 04/23/0614:01:25 04/23/06 (52)

Pat, here's a bone... - mkuller 13:46:08 04/26/06 (0)

OK but they are never used, Makes them irellevent for us don't you think??? - Robert Hamel 10:03:31 04/24/06 (1)

Re: OK but they are never used, Makes them irellevent for us don't you think??? - Pat D 17:11:57 04/24/06 (0)

Reliability for determining what? - E-Stat 19:14:08 04/23/06 (22)

Re: Reliability for determining what? - old2randr 06:23:56 04/24/06 (21)

How do you know you have "reliably" measured the results? - E-Stat 06:40:08 04/24/06 (20)

Use a large sample size like drug trials n/t - old2randr 07:03:36 04/24/06 (19)

bad comparison - Bruce from DC 07:48:47 04/24/06 (14)

Re: bad comparison - old2randr 15:57:38 04/24/06 (10)

Re: "scientific comparisons must be repeatable" - Bruce from DC 15:59:46 04/25/06 (0)

:) - E-Stat 19:48:19 04/24/06 (3)

Re: :) - old2randr 21:37:59 04/24/06 (2)

You answered your own question - E-Stat 04:40:34 04/25/06 (0)

Re: :) - bjh 23:02:08 04/24/06 (0)

This is a rather one sided - bjh 17:25:24 04/24/06 (3)

Re: This is a rather one sided - Ozzie 20:52:23 05/5/06 (0)

Re: This is a rather one sided - old2randr 21:52:13 04/24/06 (1)

Re: This is a rather one sided - bjh 22:50:11 04/24/06 (0)

Yep! - Pat D 17:01:45 04/24/06 (0)

Re: bad comparison - LarryB 08:45:19 04/24/06 (1)

jeez, that's a broad statement - Bruce from DC 10:05:47 04/24/06 (0)

There is another reason for the comparison being ill suited - bjh 08:11:45 04/24/06 (0)

I'll say it again - E-Stat 07:21:44 04/24/06 (3)

Agreed. - old2randr 15:42:33 04/24/06 (2)

And hence to make claims - bjh 16:09:15 04/24/06 (1)

That is quite wrong ... - old2randr 21:59:39 04/24/06 (0)

Make a claim - provide the evidence... - mkuller 15:06:34 04/23/06 (16)

I just accept the science in the field. - Pat D 18:17:18 04/23/06 (15)

So you have no evidence - where's the comparative data? (nt) - mkuller 13:14:13 04/25/06 (14)

I don't tell the pharmacists about pharmacy . . . - Pat D 13:56:57 04/25/06 (13)

This is an audio hobbyist group. . . - mkuller 14:12:40 04/25/06 (12)

If your DBTs are SO reliable... - Ozzie 18:36:01 04/27/06 (0)

Re: This is an audio hobbyist group. . . - Pat D 18:33:00 04/25/06 (10)

Four out of five dentists recommend Crest. . . - mkuller 22:37:38 04/25/06 (5)

You misunderstand totally. - Pat D 05:57:30 04/26/06 (4)

the blind men and the elephant - Bruce from DC 11:10:52 04/26/06 (1)

Re: the blind men and the elephant - Pat D 20:09:22 04/26/06 (0)

Expert shmexpert - show me the comparative data...(nt) - mkuller 10:08:50 04/26/06 (1)

If you want to place your views on the same level as that of respected researchers, that's fine, but . . . - Pat D 15:41:40 04/26/06 (0)

" I have been able to show how silly ...." - bjh 18:39:55 04/25/06 (3)

Re: " I have been able to show how silly ...." - Ozzie 21:08:58 05/5/06 (0)

So audio hobbyists need not be constrained by truth or evidence? - Pat D 19:26:08 04/25/06 (1)

So audio hobbyists need not be constrained by truth or evidence? - Ozzie 21:12:31 05/5/06 (0)

What care you for listening evaluations? After all - bjh 14:32:38 04/23/06 (8)

You don't know what you are talking about. - Pat D 18:05:20 04/23/06 (7)

Measurements, "reliability ... WAF", great! But again, what care you for listening evaluations? nt - bjh 18:39:55 04/23/06 (6)

As I said, you don't know what your are talking about. - Pat D 18:45:06 04/23/06 (5)

wow, the only thing missing here is - hifitommy 06:24:36 04/24/06 (0)

"I expect the thing measures well enough to be audibly transparent." Would listening in such a case be necessary? LOL nt - bjh 18:50:48 04/23/06 (3)

So? Why wouldn't I listen to it? Come on, tell us. - Pat D 19:07:26 04/23/06 (2)

It's only logical that given two preamplifiers that measured - bjh 20:13:56 04/23/06 (0)

Good heavens, man! You don't call that 'logic' do you? - Pat D 16:39:05 04/24/06 (0)

What I have never seen - Frihed89 08:00:58 04/23/06 (6)

So you can stop worrying about the possiblity of being sold - Al Sekela 08:53:28 04/23/06 (5)

I have no idea what you mean - Frihed89 14:47:49 04/23/06 (1)

Its a USA thing... - Al Sekela 12:09:30 04/26/06 (0)

What if they put something in our water that makes us - Bruce Kendall 10:25:37 04/23/06 (2)

Re: What if they put something in our water that makes us - Robert Deutsch 18:48:34 04/23/06 (1)

That whole British thing... - robert young 04:26:45 04/24/06 (0)

Re: John Atkinson's Rebuttal of Ben Goldacre's "Bad Science" - porziob@aol.com 13:05:59 04/22/06 (1)

Follow Ups

Well, blind tests have it all over sighted listening for reliability. - Pat D 04/23/0614:01:25 04/23/06 (52)

Pat, here's a bone... - mkuller 13:46:08 04/26/06 (0)

OK but they are never used, Makes them irellevent for us don't you think??? - Robert Hamel 10:03:31 04/24/06 (1)

Re: OK but they are never used, Makes them irellevent for us don't you think??? - Pat D 17:11:57 04/24/06 (0)

Reliability for determining what? - E-Stat 19:14:08 04/23/06 (22)

Re: Reliability for determining what? - old2randr 06:23:56 04/24/06 (21)

How do you know you have "reliably" measured the results? - E-Stat 06:40:08 04/24/06 (20)

Use a large sample size like drug trials n/t - old2randr 07:03:36 04/24/06 (19)

bad comparison - Bruce from DC 07:48:47 04/24/06 (14)

Re: bad comparison - old2randr 15:57:38 04/24/06 (10)

Re: "scientific comparisons must be repeatable" - Bruce from DC 15:59:46 04/25/06 (0)

:) - E-Stat 19:48:19 04/24/06 (3)

Re: :) - old2randr 21:37:59 04/24/06 (2)

You answered your own question - E-Stat 04:40:34 04/25/06 (0)

Re: :) - bjh 23:02:08 04/24/06 (0)

This is a rather one sided - bjh 17:25:24 04/24/06 (3)

Re: This is a rather one sided - Ozzie 20:52:23 05/5/06 (0)

Re: This is a rather one sided - old2randr 21:52:13 04/24/06 (1)

Re: This is a rather one sided - bjh 22:50:11 04/24/06 (0)

Yep! - Pat D 17:01:45 04/24/06 (0)

Re: bad comparison - LarryB 08:45:19 04/24/06 (1)

jeez, that's a broad statement - Bruce from DC 10:05:47 04/24/06 (0)

There is another reason for the comparison being ill suited - bjh 08:11:45 04/24/06 (0)

I'll say it again - E-Stat 07:21:44 04/24/06 (3)

Agreed. - old2randr 15:42:33 04/24/06 (2)

And hence to make claims - bjh 16:09:15 04/24/06 (1)

That is quite wrong ... - old2randr 21:59:39 04/24/06 (0)

Make a claim - provide the evidence... - mkuller 15:06:34 04/23/06 (16)

I just accept the science in the field. - Pat D 18:17:18 04/23/06 (15)

So you have no evidence - where's the comparative data? (nt) - mkuller 13:14:13 04/25/06 (14)

I don't tell the pharmacists about pharmacy . . . - Pat D 13:56:57 04/25/06 (13)

This is an audio hobbyist group. . . - mkuller 14:12:40 04/25/06 (12)

If your DBTs are SO reliable... - Ozzie 18:36:01 04/27/06 (0)

Re: This is an audio hobbyist group. . . - Pat D 18:33:00 04/25/06 (10)

Four out of five dentists recommend Crest. . . - mkuller 22:37:38 04/25/06 (5)

You misunderstand totally. - Pat D 05:57:30 04/26/06 (4)

the blind men and the elephant - Bruce from DC 11:10:52 04/26/06 (1)

Re: the blind men and the elephant - Pat D 20:09:22 04/26/06 (0)

Expert shmexpert - show me the comparative data...(nt) - mkuller 10:08:50 04/26/06 (1)

If you want to place your views on the same level as that of respected researchers, that's fine, but . . . - Pat D 15:41:40 04/26/06 (0)

" I have been able to show how silly ...." - bjh 18:39:55 04/25/06 (3)

Re: " I have been able to show how silly ...." - Ozzie 21:08:58 05/5/06 (0)

So audio hobbyists need not be constrained by truth or evidence? - Pat D 19:26:08 04/25/06 (1)

So audio hobbyists need not be constrained by truth or evidence? - Ozzie 21:12:31 05/5/06 (0)

What care you for listening evaluations? After all - bjh 14:32:38 04/23/06 (8)

You don't know what you are talking about. - Pat D 18:05:20 04/23/06 (7)

Measurements, "reliability ... WAF", great! But again, what care you for listening evaluations? nt - bjh 18:39:55 04/23/06 (6)

As I said, you don't know what your are talking about. - Pat D 18:45:06 04/23/06 (5)

wow, the only thing missing here is - hifitommy 06:24:36 04/24/06 (0)

"I expect the thing measures well enough to be audibly transparent." Would listening in such a case be necessary? LOL nt - bjh 18:50:48 04/23/06 (3)

So? Why wouldn't I listen to it? Come on, tell us. - Pat D 19:07:26 04/23/06 (2)

It's only logical that given two preamplifiers that measured - bjh 20:13:56 04/23/06 (0)

Good heavens, man! You don't call that 'logic' do you? - Pat D 16:39:05 04/24/06 (0)