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In Reply to: No, fact. The Beecham recording projects a much more natural, open sound, with hall interaction preserved. nt posted by jdaniel@jps.net on August 30, 2020 at 15:13:52:
There are such variations in the acoustics of actual concert halls. And even within a given concert hall there are often substantial differences in sound depending on where one sits. so what is "natural"n is in fact sonically all over the place. That makes it impossible to determine which of these recordings sounds more natural. There is no single reference and you will have all kinds of variables with the playback system and listening room. Preferences are inarguable and if you prefer the sound of the Beecham that is an entirely legitimate preference. But to say it's a fact that either recording is more natural would require us to comapre them against a single objective reference and that simply does not reflect reality.
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- A fact? How can that possibly be a fact? - Analog Scott 08/31/2001:06:21 08/31/20 (63)
- Because unlike you two., I was doing A/B comparisons in real time. Nt - jdaniel@jps.net 10:56:58 08/31/20 (62)
- Please tell us about this Star Trek transporter of yours - Analog Scott 11:59:26 08/31/20 (56)
- Why don't you hold that thought until you reacquaint yourself with the Beecham? The HDTT transfer is - jdaniel@jps.net 12:41:56 08/31/20 (55)
- Doesn't matter - Analog Scott 16:03:48 08/31/20 (54)
- And...your experience playing in Wind Ensembles and Orchestras is...? - jdaniel@jps.net 16:50:58 08/31/20 (53)
- OK, jdaniel - you'll have to explain this - Chris from Lafayette 22:49:17 08/31/20 (22)
- It's absolutely valid to ask a presumed audiophile couch commando whether he expects, say, a triple-forte - jdaniel@jps.net 09:27:46 09/1/20 (21)
- Nice side-step there, jdaniel - Chris from Lafayette 13:01:40 09/1/20 (20)
- What does one do when performing or sitting in on live rehearsals? - jdaniel@jps.net 13:15:50 09/1/20 (19)
- So you're claiming that the only way one will pay attention. . . - Chris from Lafayette 16:40:06 09/1/20 (18)
- Just a point of clarification... - Analog Scott 20:18:30 09/1/20 (13)
- So you're saying it's odd to expect a recording to preserve a hall's reflection of, say, a rim-shot? - jdaniel@jps.net 07:31:46 09/2/20 (7)
- Do you actually read my posts or do you just drop in random responses? - Analog Scott 08:17:11 09/2/20 (6)
- I read all the way through your tortured soliloquy, down to the final, indignant paragraphs, obviously. - jdaniel@jps.net 08:33:50 09/2/20 (5)
- Based on your question it was pretty far from obvious - Analog Scott 09:25:07 09/2/20 (4)
- Aural Illusions... I get it. But does it matter how the brain is tricked? - jdaniel@jps.net 09:47:37 09/2/20 (3)
- What "matters" is subjective - Analog Scott 10:11:23 09/2/20 (2)
- Ultimately, you're saying that "downstream" empirical measurements of any sort are off the table? T - jdaniel@jps.net 10:26:12 09/2/20 (1)
- Nope, not what I am saying either - Analog Scott 12:33:42 09/2/20 (0)
- Yeah - we've had this discussion before [nt] ;-) - Chris from Lafayette 01:10:53 09/2/20 (4)
- Do you believe it's "fact" that 5 Channel is more open and natural, dare I say "closer to the live experience" - jdaniel@jps.net 07:45:46 09/2/20 (3)
- For me it is, but for many listeners, it's obviously not - Chris from Lafayette 12:46:40 09/2/20 (2)
- OK then, the superiority of Chabrier in three channel is a matter of opinion. : ) nt - jdaniel@jps.net 12:58:08 09/2/20 (1)
- Indeed! [nt] - Chris from Lafayette 15:42:45 09/2/20 (0)
- Did I say that? It is but one way, and, for the umteenth time, I also mentioned sitting-in on rehearsals, and - jdaniel@jps.net 17:31:04 09/1/20 (3)
- So. . . I just don't know what your point is. . . - Chris from Lafayette 17:47:09 09/1/20 (2)
- You win. Hurwitz prefers the Reiner, BUT, in another vid, he comes dangerously close - jdaniel@jps.net 18:02:21 09/1/20 (1)
- Indeed, just as you don't actively DISlike the Reiner recording. . . - Chris from Lafayette 01:21:12 09/2/20 (0)
- My experience, your experience. None of it matters - Analog Scott 18:20:33 08/31/20 (29)
- Says the guy with no experience. (sigh). I refer you to my visual above. nt - jdaniel@jps.net 18:43:58 08/31/20 (28)
- First of all I have plenty of experience..Second Your experience does not trump an entire field of science - Analog Scott 19:58:39 08/31/20 (27)
- You're making this too difficult. Spacial cues are either retained or they're not. nt - jdaniel@jps.net 09:29:56 09/1/20 (26)
- That's complete Bull**** - Analog Scott 19:19:45 09/1/20 (14)
- I was mocking your Absolutism earlier. Calm down! Damn. nt - jdaniel@jps.net 19:32:07 09/1/20 (13)
- It wasn't absolutism. It was science based reality - Analog Scott 20:25:11 09/1/20 (12)
- All fine and dandy, but I never said the Reiner had zero spacial cues, did I? So many straw men thrown at me, - jdaniel@jps.net 21:33:39 09/1/20 (11)
- but I never you said the Reiner had zero spacial cues, did I? So many straw men thrown at me, - Analog Scott 22:48:04 09/1/20 (10)
- I said it was a fact that the Beecham was **more** open and natural, not **perfectly** open and natural - jdaniel@jps.net 07:44:17 09/2/20 (7)
- Yes that is what you said. and the fact remains that it is not "a fact" - Analog Scott 08:25:22 09/2/20 (6)
- Come on. Is it not a fact that stereo is more open and natural than mono, due to the increased projection of - jdaniel@jps.net 08:44:04 09/2/20 (5)
- First we would have to reach a common understanding of what you mean by open. - Analog Scott 09:35:55 09/2/20 (4)
- We all agree that 60s Columbia Classical sound is, as a rule, not "open." - jdaniel@jps.net 09:54:44 09/2/20 (3)
- first of all you can't just declare a consensus - Analog Scott 12:42:54 09/2/20 (2)
- I believe that most in here of a certain age have heard the same 30 to 50 "reference" recordings, they've - jdaniel@jps.net 13:31:30 09/2/20 (1)
- I don't doubt your confidence that you beleive others know what you are talking about - Analog Scott 15:29:43 09/2/20 (0)
- Yup - that's where I kind of lost it! [nt] ;-) - Chris from Lafayette 01:23:29 09/2/20 (1)
- (the thread of jdaniel's comments I mean!) [nt] ;-) - Chris from Lafayette 01:28:23 09/2/20 (0)
- Or, you could say that spatial cues are either heard or they're not - Chris from Lafayette 13:12:14 09/1/20 (10)
- That's what I was saying all along. What two chan recordings give you that holistic, "you are there" thrill - jdaniel@jps.net 14:14:15 09/1/20 (3)
- OK - I'm done [nt] ;-) - Chris from Lafayette 16:45:09 09/1/20 (2)
- You once mentioned there'd be a lot less confusion if everyone listed recordings that exemplified the poesy - jdaniel@jps.net 17:38:52 09/1/20 (1)
- I'm not sure what you mean by "the other way around". . . - Chris from Lafayette 01:17:53 09/2/20 (0)
- RE: Or, you could say that spatial cues are either heard or they're not - pbarach 13:48:22 09/1/20 (5)
- Yes - in that Stokowski recording. . . - Chris from Lafayette 16:43:14 09/1/20 (4)
- Sorry guys, there's absolutely zero. More like listening to a Kandinsky painting. Plus, even the harp - jdaniel@jps.net 17:34:19 09/1/20 (3)
- Well, regardless, I think we're all agreed as to how poorly the engineering turned out [nt] - Chris from Lafayette 01:25:59 09/2/20 (2)
- "Poor engineering...." Fact or opinion? : ) nt - jdaniel@jps.net 09:23:17 09/2/20 (1)
- Opinion, with factual, measurable elements to it [nt] - Chris from Lafayette 12:52:30 09/2/20 (0)
- If you were (doing A/B comparisons in real time). . . - Chris from Lafayette 11:41:43 08/31/20 (4)
- The Beecham isn't perfect, but it's more open and natural with a palpable sense of hall - jdaniel@jps.net 12:39:46 08/31/20 (3)
- It all depends on which hall (or studio) - Chris from Lafayette 16:30:47 08/31/20 (2)
- Did you download the Beecham? nt - jdaniel@jps.net 16:51:39 08/31/20 (1)
- Download? What a quaint notion! - It streams on Qobuz! - Chris from Lafayette 22:41:14 08/31/20 (0)
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