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In Reply to: Maybe your aural memories are vague, but mine are not ;-) posted by Chris from Lafayette on September 7, 2019 at 01:26:47:
I'm going to go with science.
"I've already explained (TWICE) how we perceive distance and depth on a recording. Here it is for the third time: a sound which is further away from the microphones (or our ears for that matter) will lose more of its high frequencies by the time it gets to the microphones, compared to a sound which is nearer by."
Certainly at Davies Hall which is a crap hall that happens. It happens to a very exaggerated degree. From the first balcony the orchestra sounds like it's about 200 feet away and a solo piano sounds like a toy piano that was never taken out of the box. OTOH at Disney hall the frequency response from the back of the hall is virtually the same as the front and mid hall to the sides is where you will get the highest ratio of high frequencies. You can't possibly judge depth at Disney Hall. And that is because it is such damned great acoustic space for concerts.
" In addition, there will be more reflected sound in mixed with the source which is further away from the microphone compared to a source which is nearer by. This is the gist of the two excerpts from the technical/scientific articles I quoted. So even though your speakers are equal in distance to you, they are playing back sounds which, because they include the characteristics I just described earlier in this paragraph, allow us as listeners to apprehend depth in a recording, This is such common knowledge that I can't believe you're even trying to argue against it!"
You seem to be ignoring the fact that concert halls are unique in that anywhere in a decent to excellent hall the ratio of reflected sound to direct sound one hears is at least 80-20. that is true in the front row as well as the back row and in the better halls the ratios are much more uniform throughout the entire hall. Excellent concert hall acoustics pretty much obliterate those typical cues that we use to judge depth as well as direction.
"As for multi-miked recordings: surely you cannot be unaware of the the vast number of complaints which many audiophiles leveled at these types of recordings - they were described as having left to right information only, and were, as you suggest, a "complete disaster""
Sure the crap ones from the late 70s through early 90s. I have heard some modern multi miked recordings that are near state of the art. And rest assured the depth you perceive with those recordings bears no resemblance what so ever to the actual distances between the mics and the musicians
"Yes - awe-struck by the McGurk demo as you are, you keep pointing it out, and you keep being wrong!"
Again I have to ask myself who do I believe, the scientific research or Chris? Once again I am going with science.
Me: Further more it is easy to demonstrate that with colorations one often gets with vinyl playback there will be an enhanced sense of depth
"Oh yeah? Well if it's so easy, prove it! ;-)"
I will be happy to provide you with files that demonstrate this when I get back home from location.
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Follow Ups
- Right, who should I believe science or Chris????? - Analog Scott 09/7/1913:19:05 09/7/19 (2)
- You flatter yourself if you think your opinions are science - Chris from Lafayette 19:15:09 09/7/19 (1)
- RE: You flatter yourself if you think your opinions are science - Analog Scott 09:36:40 09/8/19 (0)
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