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In Reply to: I see that you've now shuffled back to claiming. . . posted by Chris from Lafayette on September 6, 2019 at 17:43:29:
Instead of going over this debate point by point I will try to tie up my position with a thought experiment based on the three concert goers we have already discussed. For the sake of the point let's say that these three concert goers are actually identical triplets. They have exactly the same hearing acuity, the same exact taste in music, the same sensibilities etc etc. In effect the same person in triplicate. BUT they go to this concert and sit in those three very different seats and all hear very different sounds at the same exact live performance. And they are asked to judge a stereo system using a recording from that very same concert. So we can ignore all the issues over long term aural memory and pretend that they all have total aural recall. Will they all have the same opinion of that system based on their experience with the actual live performance they all three just heard? NO. They are all using different references. I hate to pull this on you but at this point we need to have a common understanding of what the word accuracy actually means when it comes to audio. Accuracy according to Websters. : freedom from mistake or error : CORRECTNESS
2a : conformity to truth or to a standard or model : EXACTNESS
b : degree of conformity of a measure to a standard or a true value.
You can't have a measure for accuracy with out a single reference and without a standard metric to measure deviation. Your idea of accuracy based on each individual's personal experience with live music is no kind of objective standard. It's pretty existential. Even when we limit it to one variable, identical people will draw different judgements of exactly the same performance and exactly the same stereo system. You expressed a concern about chaos but this is chaos in the guise of order. There is no standard or true value here as a reference. There is no measure of conformity. There is no standard or model. It's everybody's individual whims of their personal idea of what they *think* they remember as a library of live sound, be it complete, incomplete or utterly skewed. That is no standard for accuracy. And that is just one of the reasons why I say live music does not work as a reference. The subsequent issue with this idea is that it promotes the position that even crap sound, if it is "accurate" is the goal. I disagree. When I get crap sound at an actual live performance I don't like it. But I should like it with playback because it is an accurate rendition of the sound I didn't like to begin with live? How the f**k does that make sense?Now let's revisit our three identical twins. They are now strapped with three different opinions of the same audio system based on the idea that the live concert was a reference. Had they not been strapped with that baggage they could have simply been true to their own values and all form the same opinion of that same one system. I do not bend my idea of sound quality at live concerts so I sure as heck am not going to bend those same standards based on live concerts when listening to audio.
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Follow Ups
- My claims have been consistent. - Analog Scott 09/7/1912:31:48 09/7/19 (4)
- And each of those vantage points has ITS OWN accuracy! - Chris from Lafayette 17:46:55 09/7/19 (3)
- RE: And each of those vantage points has ITS OWN accuracy! - Analog Scott 19:44:11 09/7/19 (2)
- RE: And each of those vantage points has ITS OWN accuracy! - Chris from Lafayette 20:46:04 09/7/19 (1)
- "So. . . whence with your "three dimensional acoustic sound wave [singular]?" - Analog Scott 13:34:14 09/8/19 (0)
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