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In Reply to: Finally - back to the important stuff: accuracy or euphony? posted by Chris from Lafayette on September 1, 2019 at 17:50:50:
"He then goes on to sidestep the issue by arguing that live music can't be a POINT (singular) of reference, then elaborates on the different types of live music (and acoustics) which would seem to undermine any arguments in favor of a single reference or standard. And in fact, I don't argue in favor of a single absolute sound myself! But the fact remains, that there is an absolute sound for an untuned piano in someone's garage, an absolute sound for a Fazioli in a world class concert hall, an absolute sound for a particular type of banjo in a particular pizza parlor, and an absolute sound for a symphony orchestra in a halls as different as Albert Hall or the Barbican in London. I don't even disagree about the fleeting nature of aural memory or the possibility of aural perception being fooled by visual cues. But the fact is that, over time, one builds up a "mental library" of what had been fleeting perceptions - and many of these perceptions have been reinforced (by repetition) for years, even decades (if you're old enough!). Over time, one builds an ACCURATE notion of what various instruments (or singers) sound like in various acoustic environments."
I don't think I side stepped the issue at all. You say it is a "fact" that people build up an aural memory over time. The problem is that library is filled with all kinds of misinformation. A classic example was nicely illustrated by an anecdote told by Dick Pierce over on Usenet. After a classical concert members of the audience were invited to listen to the recording of that concert on a stereo system right after that concert. They were asked to identify the most accurate level of the playback to the original performance. Just accurately recall the original loudness was all they were tasked with. To a person they all over shot by 10 to 15 db. That is just one example of how amazingly inaccurate our aural memory is and our aural perception under sighted biases is. We don't really have a library of accurate aural memories. We have a library of triggers to incomplete aural memories that aide us in recognition of sounds we have heard before. It is very different than true aural memory. Using that as our reference for accuracy to live sound is highly highly unreliable.
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Follow Ups
- Live music as a reference - Analog Scott 09/3/1912:01:21 09/3/19 (25)
- You have an anecdote - nothing more than that - Chris from Lafayette 12:58:17 09/3/19 (24)
- Yes, it's an anecdote but - Analog Scott 13:06:55 09/3/19 (23)
- It does not have any statistical significance - Chris from Lafayette 13:11:38 09/3/19 (22)
- ah but you dodged the question - Analog Scott 13:17:01 09/3/19 (21)
- You asked three questions - I answered one of them - Chris from Lafayette 14:04:48 09/3/19 (20)
- I wish we could put it to the test. I think you would be quite surprised by the results - Analog Scott 20:04:32 09/3/19 (19)
- Nonsense - of course you can! [nt] ;-) - Chris from Lafayette 21:20:07 09/3/19 (18)
- how? - Analog Scott 22:10:30 09/3/19 (17)
- My reply was to your assertion. . . - Chris from Lafayette 23:58:13 09/3/19 (16)
- That's easy. here is just one example you can test for yourself - Analog Scott 06:50:36 09/4/19 (15)
- RE: That's easy. here is just one example you can test for yourself - rjan 22:25:18 09/4/19 (3)
- While I disagree with your last sentence. . . - Chris from Lafayette 01:04:03 09/5/19 (2)
- has nothing to do with the quality of the sound - Analog Scott 11:00:20 09/5/19 (1)
- Dunno, Scott - You ever tried it? [nt] ;-) - Chris from Lafayette 16:07:17 09/5/19 (0)
- Yes - that's an interesting effect - Chris from Lafayette 08:51:42 09/4/19 (10)
- It is just one of the many mechanisms we can't unlearn through experience - Analog Scott 10:26:05 09/4/19 (9)
- I think you'd better take up your differences with the BBC then - Chris from Lafayette 19:25:34 09/4/19 (8)
- But I am the one agreeing with the BBC - Analog Scott 20:46:54 09/4/19 (7)
- Yeah, that's a fun video that doesn't prove what you think it does - Chris from Lafayette 00:40:55 09/5/19 (6)
- It isn't meant to prove it it is meant to illustrate it. - Analog Scott 10:59:14 09/5/19 (5)
- Not at all - you seem to be forgetting that the viewer has been instructed to. . . - Chris from Lafayette 16:51:34 09/5/19 (4)
- This stuff has all been thoroughly researched - Analog Scott 17:33:51 09/5/19 (3)
- Sounds like you may be arguing by authority now - Chris from Lafayette 01:25:16 09/6/19 (2)
- Did you actually watch the video - Analog Scott 06:03:14 09/6/19 (1)
- Don't worry - I'll get to it! [nt] - Chris from Lafayette 01:48:16 09/7/19 (0)
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