Does what it says on the tin

Posted by 13th Duke of Wymbourne (A) on September 11, 2024 at 15:50:11

In Reply to: My point to Feanor posted by E-Stat on September 11, 2024 at 14:29:42:

was a hugely successful British advertising campaign for outdoor waterproofing wood stain and that phrase became part of the culture so I throw it in occasionally for nostalgia and homesickness sake.

I am pretty sanguine about the measurement debate particularly as I enjoy my turntable and there is no way that medium can be defended as objectively accurate but is very enjoyable. But, SINAD is meaningful in a world of subjective reviewers because you can gauge the designer's intention - are they shooting for the lowest amount of artifacts or not. And if the latter we can then question why - is it because they are a lauded audio designer who has spent a long time experimenting and has some understanding of what they are doing (e.g. Nelson Pass) or a tweaker who has spent a long time experimenting but doesn't understand what they are doing or someone who is just a bad designer. Who do you most want to give your money too? I have seen some expensive gear shown up as unexcusably flawed by JA-classic's measurements. In one notable case, the designer spent column inches proclaiming his achievements only to be proved not just wrong but incompetent. The subjective review was great - the reviewer didn't know the novel feature didn't work when he listened.

On a larger scale, there is a lot of science denying in society. Saying that audio measurements do not correlate with enjoyment isn't science denying (and that should lead to more learnig of why) but, IMHO, saying that someone who lists those measurement results in magnitude order is clueless does.

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Topic - ASM AGAIN (Akitika) - fstein 11:53:18 09/9/24 (25)

Can you provide a link to an ASR review of the GT-102? - Feanor 04:19:06 09/10/24 (17)

RE: Can you provide a link to an ASR review of the GT-102? - morricab 14:14:37 09/20/24 (0)

RE: Can you provide a link to an ASR review of the GT-102? - fstein 09:24:20 09/10/24 (15)

Which simply means - E-Stat 12:33:51 09/10/24 (14)

Simply not true that SINAD's all Amir cares about or tests for - Feanor 04:39:21 09/11/24 (13)

Of course it is - E-Stat 05:33:27 09/11/24 (12)

RE: Of course it is - morricab 14:16:28 09/20/24 (0)

SINAD does what it says on the tin - 13th Duke of Wymbourne 12:24:00 09/11/24 (10)

RE: SINAD does what it says on the tin - morricab 14:17:53 09/20/24 (0)

When doing - E-Stat 12:41:36 09/11/24 (8)

Peace be upon you - 13th Duke of Wymbourne 12:57:17 09/11/24 (7)

May you enjoy - E-Stat 13:06:47 09/11/24 (6)

RE: May you enjoy - 13th Duke of Wymbourne 14:04:55 09/11/24 (5)

My point to Feanor - E-Stat 14:29:42 09/11/24 (4)

Does what it says on the tin - 13th Duke of Wymbourne 09/11/2415:50:11 09/11/24 (3)

You didn't answer my question - E-Stat 16:08:07 09/11/24 (2)

RE: You didn't answer my question - 13th Duke of Wymbourne 19:44:27 09/11/24 (1)

Thanks - E-Stat 06:45:56 09/12/24 (0)

ASR? - 13th Duke of Wymbourne 12:20:47 09/9/24 (2)

"Reviewers are never calibrated" I like that, great way to say it! /nt - Story 14:36:39 09/20/24 (0)

RE: ASR? - morricab 14:22:44 09/20/24 (0)

RE: ASM AGAIN (Akitika) - E-Stat 12:17:47 09/9/24 (3)

So what - Ozzie 18:47:54 09/9/24 (1)

Ask the OP -nt - E-Stat 18:54:06 09/9/24 (0)

RE: ASM AGAIN (Akitika) - fstein 13:27:35 09/9/24 (0)

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Does what it says on the tin - 13th Duke of Wymbourne 09/11/2415:50:11 09/11/24 (3)

You didn't answer my question - E-Stat 16:08:07 09/11/24 (2)

RE: You didn't answer my question - 13th Duke of Wymbourne 19:44:27 09/11/24 (1)

Thanks - E-Stat 06:45:56 09/12/24 (0)

Does what it says on the tin

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