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Topic - Atma-Sphere Class D - Chuck 11:39:39 12/20/22 (203)

After all this bul...er...dialogue, does anyone here have a pair? - jeffreybehr 15:06:01 12/28/22 (13)

I do have a pair on demo/display here...- - Rich Brkich 14:41:48 12/31/22 (11)

RE: I do have a pair on demo/display here...- - stvnharr 00:46:45 01/3/23 (0)

You are welcome here, Rich, and I thank you for your post... - jeffreybehr 16:31:23 12/31/22 (9)

Reads like an ad to me...nt - goryu 17:09:10 12/31/22 (8)

Ahh yes...'spoken' like the true cynical PITA you've demonstrated you are... - jeffreybehr 12:29:32 01/1/23 (7)

Why don't you? nt - goryu 14:59:16 01/1/23 (6)

Because I'm not the cynical PITA, you are. (NT) - jeffreybehr 15:21:13 01/1/23 (5)

Why don't you do what most people do and just ignore what you don't want to hear... - goryu 21:00:07 01/1/23 (4)

Take some of your own advice.... - Cougar 11:56:25 01/2/23 (3)

Actually, my posts in this thread predate his, so you are wrong. - goryu 13:18:04 01/2/23 (2)

Here's what you wrote on you first post of this thread. - Cougar 18:18:04 01/2/23 (1)

"sadly he refuses to publish measurements"= lack of measurements...nt - goryu 20:52:27 01/2/23 (0)

RE: After all this bul...er...dialogue, does anyone here have a pair? - Ralph 13:48:52 12/29/22 (0)

RE: Atma-Sphere Class D - KanedaK 21:34:52 12/27/22 (1)

When we make value comparisons, we compare performance at a price, not just price... - goryu 06:25:00 12/28/22 (0)

Just ordered a pair from a local retailer. - jeffreybehr 12:14:49 12/27/22 (0)

So I'd like to see Ralph send a copy to ASR - Feanor 07:20:59 12/26/22 (7)

Don't hold your breath... - goryu 07:38:37 12/26/22 (6)

That, of course, is true - Feanor 04:46:30 12/27/22 (5)

He has had every opportunity to be forthcoming with the measurements - goryu 08:07:50 12/27/22 (4)

By deferring he puts himself in the "measurements don't matter" category - Feanor 10:01:06 12/27/22 (3)

I think the measurements matter a lot - Ralph 11:53:24 12/27/22 (1)

RE: I think the measurements matter a lot - we can agree on that...nt - goryu 11:58:36 12/27/22 (0)

Seems odd - goryu 10:46:35 12/27/22 (0)

wow-a hornet's nest. Thanks, everybody, but I'm still waiting for listener reports on the Atma-Sphere Class D's... - Chuck 06:19:18 12/26/22 (50)

Do you season your food or let others do it for you? - goryu 07:36:18 12/26/22 (49)

There is a difference between taste and perceptual rules. - Ralph 10:55:44 12/26/22 (48)

Sounding "bright" is a subjective opinion... - goryu 11:33:19 12/26/22 (47)

RE: Sounding "bright" is a subjective opinion... to an extent. - Ralph 10:21:05 12/27/22 (41)

Harsh and bright are subjective interpretations... - goryu 10:57:32 12/27/22 (40)

aural camoflage isn't accurate - Ralph 11:24:54 12/27/22 (39)

I guess if you can't get distortion low enough to be inaudible - goryu 11:41:43 12/27/22 (38)

what is meant by 'inaudible'? - Ralph 11:57:56 12/27/22 (37)

You haven't pubished the distortion spectra measurements so there is no way of knowing... - goryu 12:08:30 12/27/22 (36)

I've certainly talked about it enough! - Ralph 13:00:39 12/27/22 (35)

A picture is worth 1000 words....nt - goryu 13:42:42 12/27/22 (34)

And one you should be able to draw by now. - Ralph 14:19:07 12/27/22 (33)

You have been rather vague... - goryu 16:15:17 12/27/22 (32)

Sheesh - Ralph 09:04:09 12/28/22 (31)

No, just asking for what other manufacturers provide... - goryu 09:35:09 12/28/22 (30)

Or you could read what I already have written, which is the same thing nt - Ralph 09:53:10 12/28/22 (29)

RE: Or you could read what I already have written, which is the same thing nt - Sibelius 09:56:49 12/28/22 (0)

More deflection. nt - goryu 09:55:19 12/28/22 (27)

RE: More trolling or: - Ralph 10:17:03 12/28/22 (26)

You still aren't answering the question: - goryu 10:29:58 12/28/22 (25)

Sheesh - Ralph 10:38:53 12/28/22 (24)

Do you know what obfuscation means? - goryu 12:55:39 12/28/22 (23)

I do. Its what you've been doing. - Ralph 13:02:36 12/28/22 (22)

No, you have published "specs", not measurements. more obfuscation. - goryu 14:52:44 12/28/22 (21)

What you call 'specs' are what we measured. - Ralph 09:58:44 12/29/22 (20)

Still haven't published comprehensive measurements nor given any reason for not doing so... - goryu 10:46:27 12/29/22 (19)

That's nice - Ralph 11:16:45 12/29/22 (18)

RE: That's nice - Tre' 07:31:15 01/5/23 (1)

Not to my knowledge, but that would not be the first time I've been wrong nt - Ralph 10:15:50 01/5/23 (0)

You've been around 50 years and don't have the equipment? I - goryu 11:32:37 12/29/22 (15)

Use of logical fallacies results in an inherently false statement. The above is an example - Ralph 12:00:17 12/29/22 (14)

Hardly... Either you have the equipment or you don't. Make up your mind... - goryu 13:28:38 12/29/22 (13)

Please reread what I said. - Ralph 13:31:15 12/29/22 (12)

RE: Please reread what I said. - audioasylumman 07:05:43 01/5/23 (0)

It really isn't that difficult... - goryu 14:06:02 12/29/22 (10)

RE: "send it to ASR and they can measure and post" - peppy m. 09:16:21 12/30/22 (9)

If it did have a sound I wouldn't want it...I don't want distortion no matter how good it might "sound"...nt - goryu 09:41:35 12/30/22 (8)

What does "sound-less sound" sound like ? - peppy m. 11:23:34 12/30/22 (7)

I want the input signal made larger with nothing added to it... - goryu 14:48:30 01/6/23 (1)

Goryu, You doth potest too much. - Don Reid 10:05:51 01/26/23 (0)

RE: What does "sound-less sound" sound like ? - Tre' 07:48:06 01/5/23 (1)

I remember when I was younger.... - Cougar 14:01:31 01/6/23 (0)

input x gain = output nt - goryu 11:37:38 12/30/22 (2)

And after adding on acoustical distortions... - peppy m. 15:10:31 12/30/22 (1)

The best we can do is eliminate what is within our control... - goryu 16:51:32 12/30/22 (0)

Or maybe a measurement of "brightness" can be defined - Feanor 04:52:54 12/27/22 (4)

By definition, subjective descriptions are not objectively definable... - goryu 08:20:58 12/27/22 (3)

I beg to differ - Feanor 10:51:31 12/27/22 (2)

+1 - Ralph 10:19:07 12/28/22 (0)

RE: I beg to differ - goryu 11:05:25 12/27/22 (0)

RE: measurements - pictureguy 23:25:16 12/24/22 (0)

Better value out there for a lot less money - goryu 10:32:48 12/22/22 (99)

RE: Better value out there for a lot less money - stvnharr 21:22:12 12/26/22 (14)

Your opinion has been noted. - goryu 08:25:30 12/27/22 (13)

RE: Your opinion has been noted. - stvnharr 14:44:34 12/27/22 (12)

likewise...nt - goryu 16:33:51 12/27/22 (11)

RE: likewise...nt - stvnharr 18:58:45 12/27/22 (9)

I haven't said anything negative about Orchard, on the contrary - goryu 19:58:53 12/27/22 (8)

RE: I haven't said anything negative about Orchard, on the contrary - stvnharr 13:15:22 12/28/22 (7)

RE: I haven't said anything negative about Orchard, on the contrary - goryu 14:48:27 12/28/22 (6)

RE: I haven't said anything negative about Orchard, on the contrary - stvnharr 17:22:12 12/28/22 (5)

Most of the discussion has been about issues related to perception and interpretation - goryu 19:06:49 12/28/22 (4)

RE: Most of the discussion has been about issues related to perception and interpretation - stvnharr 17:37:53 12/29/22 (3)

Resting - stvnharr 13:18:43 12/30/22 (0)

You seem to have a reading issue... - goryu 05:27:54 12/30/22 (1)

can U2 give it a rest? - Story 06:22:28 12/30/22 (0)

RE: likewise...nt - stvnharr 17:35:35 12/27/22 (0)

Made in USA. Measurements have been published. - Ralph 12:01:29 12/23/22 (71)

Difference between a few specs and real measurements... - goryu 13:01:03 12/23/22 (70)

Just curious what gear..... - Cougar 07:56:32 12/24/22 (1)

Why do you ask? - goryu 07:58:20 12/24/22 (0)

Now that we got that cleared up - Ralph 13:32:55 12/23/22 (67)

While we are at it.... - goryu 14:53:57 12/23/22 (66)

We're on the same page with a lot of this - Ralph 10:53:30 12/24/22 (13)

An example.... - goryu 11:54:44 12/24/22 (12)

Do you think its accurate? nt - Ralph 09:48:41 12/26/22 (11)

I have no reason to assume it isn't. .. - goryu 09:53:17 12/26/22 (10)

Good. - Ralph 10:07:19 12/26/22 (9)

the amp I linked the measurements to is their new nilai500 - goryu 10:22:19 12/26/22 (8)

That one doesn't seem to be on their website nt - Ralph 10:30:29 12/26/22 (7)

It's on their diy site. And here's a measurement of a purifi based amp with buffer (high gain setting)... - goryu 11:52:06 12/26/22 (6)

Thanks - Ralph 10:40:46 12/27/22 (5)

I haven't bought a purifi based amp yet but am looking at a few as well as the new Hypex products. nt - goryu 11:06:54 12/27/22 (4)

Make sure they have a good power supply! - Ralph 11:32:16 12/27/22 (3)

Agree....seems Hypex has designed a new power supply specifically for their new nilai500 amp...nt - goryu 11:43:26 12/27/22 (2)

That literally is the only way to do it - Ralph 11:59:40 12/27/22 (1)

They seem to know what they are doing... - goryu 12:22:18 12/27/22 (0)

RE: While we are at it.... - Davey 18:15:39 12/23/22 (51)

"..put them beyond reach for most audiophiles." - AbeCollins 22:22:19 12/23/22 (50)

RE: "..put them beyond reach for most audiophiles." - Davey 08:36:13 12/24/22 (27)

I paid $5500 for my car. - ghost of olddude55 05:38:09 12/26/22 (0)

RE: "..put them beyond reach for most audiophiles." - Sibelius 12:08:20 12/24/22 (23)

RE: "..put them beyond reach for most audiophiles." - Davey 13:29:29 12/24/22 (15)

RE: Basic values - tketcham 08:09:49 12/26/22 (8)

RE: Basic values - Davey 09:11:48 12/26/22 (7)

RE: Audiophiles on a budget. - tketcham 10:15:29 12/26/22 (0)

Agreed...there is a an elitist, snob contingent that looks down its nose - goryu 09:29:33 12/26/22 (5)

RE: Disagree - tketcham 14:41:30 12/26/22 (2)

There is some truth in what you say but it is all relative... - goryu 15:23:31 12/26/22 (1)

elitist snobs come in all kinds of flavors and money has nothing to do with it nt - Ralph 12:26:12 12/28/22 (0)

Just a FWIW: - Ralph 10:51:54 12/26/22 (1)

I'm not about specs, I'm about value... - goryu 12:30:12 12/26/22 (0)

RE: "..put them beyond reach for most audiophiles." - Sibelius 15:02:03 12/24/22 (5)

RE: "..put them beyond reach for most audiophiles." - Davey 16:10:36 12/24/22 (4)

RE: "..put them beyond reach for most audiophiles." - Sibelius 16:39:41 12/24/22 (3)

RE: "..put them beyond reach for most audiophiles." - Davey 18:42:12 12/24/22 (2)

Missed My Sarcasm Font. Carry On Davey. - Sibelius 19:20:57 12/24/22 (1)

RE: Missed My Sarcasm Font. Carry On Davey. - Davey 21:11:06 12/24/22 (0)

You seem to be saying that you get what you pay for... - goryu 12:19:56 12/24/22 (6)

RE: You seem to be saying that you get what you pay for... - Sibelius 14:04:42 12/24/22 (5)

Try rereading my posts above - goryu 16:51:25 12/24/22 (4)

RE: Try rereading my posts above - Sibelius 18:22:22 12/24/22 (3)

Because frankly... - goryu 18:54:11 12/24/22 (2)

Relevance... - Sibelius 19:16:20 12/24/22 (1)

I've made my thoughts and opinions on the topic at hand perfectly clear... - goryu 06:06:42 12/25/22 (0)

Perhaps, but without full disclosure it's a safe bet... - goryu 08:52:04 12/24/22 (1)

RE: Perhaps, but without full disclosure it's a safe bet... - Davey 11:02:39 12/24/22 (0)

RE: "..put them beyond reach for most audiophiles." - Cougar 07:09:23 12/24/22 (21)

Where did I say it is "all about specs"? - goryu 07:57:46 12/24/22 (20)

I think you took something out of context - Ralph 10:57:07 12/24/22 (19)

Perhaps if these judgments are from a sufficiently large sample size...nt - goryu 11:58:23 12/24/22 (18)

You lost me. - Ralph 09:49:59 12/26/22 (17)

He implies a correlation between subjective opinion and objective measurements - goryu 10:06:17 12/26/22 (16)

There is a correlation if you measure the right things. - Ralph 10:23:10 12/26/22 (15)

Ralph, is there somewhere.... - Cougar 11:37:49 12/26/22 (1)

I don't discount ASR - Ralph 10:39:19 12/27/22 (0)

Not valid on an individual basis - goryu 11:16:06 12/26/22 (12)

On that we disagree - Ralph 10:06:26 12/27/22 (11)

I don't think so... - goryu 11:23:49 12/27/22 (10)

Do you realize you contradicted yourself in this post? - Ralph 11:39:53 12/27/22 (9)

Sure, the hardware is the same so there should be similarity in response - goryu 11:50:48 12/27/22 (8)

Can you clarify? - Ralph 12:56:26 12/27/22 (7)

I can try... - goryu 13:41:19 12/27/22 (6)

RE: I can try... - Ralph 14:14:51 12/27/22 (5)

I don't fail to see the difference... - goryu 16:30:59 12/27/22 (4)

You do and are being willfully ignorant or trolling; which is it? nt - Ralph 09:04:54 12/28/22 (3)

Why don't you answer the questions instead of deflecting? to wit: - goryu 09:48:00 12/28/22 (2)

Because I have, and repeated myself several times in doing so yet you persist: - Ralph 09:54:20 12/28/22 (1)

No you haven't. You are repeating yourself but you aren't addressing the issue... - goryu 09:58:15 12/28/22 (0)

Why the obsession ... - cawson@onetel.com 12:25:51 12/22/22 (11)

RE: Why the obsession ... - goryu 14:29:38 12/22/22 (2)

RE: And here's the Cleveland Symphony brought to you by the Number Four - B. Scarpia 17:16:41 12/22/22 (1)

Always preferred their sound at 5.683... - musetap 12:15:28 12/23/22 (0)

And why the obsession with Ralph Karston? - Ivan303 12:31:03 12/22/22 (7)

RE: And why the obsession with Ralph Karston? - cawson@onetel.com 12:37:49 12/22/22 (6)

I was merely reinforcing your comment on gorus's seeming obsession and wondering why - Ivan303 14:07:24 12/22/22 (5)

Obsessed? No... - goryu 14:21:23 12/22/22 (4)

Atma-Sphere is a high end company so prices must be high - 13th Duke of Wymbourne 18:42:31 12/22/22 (3)

we didn't - Ralph 11:42:52 12/23/22 (2)

RE: we didn't - AbeCollins 12:37:44 12/23/22 (1)

Yes, a bit updated though. - Ralph 12:53:35 12/23/22 (0)

What's so intriguing? - Mike K 13:39:17 12/20/22 (25)

RE: What's so intriguing? - Chuck 16:33:49 12/20/22 (24)

What's different is - E-Stat 12/21/2207:35:58 12/21/22 (23)

RE: What's different is - tincup 13:31:35 12/21/22 (22)

Ralph has posted here a good bit about the design as well - E-Stat 13:53:07 12/21/22 (21)

RE: Ralph has posted here a good bit about the design as well - cawson@onetel.com 03:39:42 12/22/22 (20)

Evidently... - E-Stat 05:38:44 12/22/22 (19)

Holy moley. I could use a pair of those... - ghost of olddude55 05:41:52 12/22/22 (18)

Those... - E-Stat 06:02:36 12/22/22 (17)

Cast iron skillet... - ghost of olddude55 07:48:08 12/22/22 (16)

RE: Cast iron skillet... - tincup 08:05:28 12/22/22 (15)

The Class D has enough power for Maggies. - ghost of olddude55 09:32:45 12/22/22 (14)

RE: The Class D has enough power for Maggies. - cawson@onetel.com 12:30:34 12/22/22 (1)

Which is about how much I paid for my car. - ghost of olddude55 13:56:35 12/22/22 (0)

Some Class D have enough power for Maggies. - AbeCollins 10:09:58 12/22/22 (11)

RE: Some Class D have enough power for Maggies. - samac 13:51:53 12/22/22 (7)

RE: Some Class D have enough power for Maggies. - AbeCollins 15:20:41 12/22/22 (6)

Looking into the PS Audio M700 - Cougar 08:10:41 12/23/22 (4)

RE: Looking into the PS Audio M700 - AbeCollins 11:52:44 12/23/22 (2)

does the AHB2 sound better than the PS Audio on the Tannoys? - Chuck 06:09:42 12/26/22 (0)

I replied to the PM you sent. - Cougar 12:25:56 12/23/22 (0)

If you do it... - ghost of olddude55 09:40:54 12/23/22 (0)

RE: Some Class D have enough power for Maggies. - samac 06:53:48 12/23/22 (0)

I've had my eye on those for some time. - ghost of olddude55 10:53:44 12/22/22 (2)

RE: I've had my eye on those for some time. - AbeCollins 13:20:41 12/22/22 (1)

Yep. TMR. nt - ghost of olddude55 13:57:05 12/22/22 (0)

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What's different is - E-Stat 12/21/2207:35:58 12/21/22 (23)

RE: What's different is - tincup 13:31:35 12/21/22 (22)

Ralph has posted here a good bit about the design as well - E-Stat 13:53:07 12/21/22 (21)

RE: Ralph has posted here a good bit about the design as well - cawson@onetel.com 03:39:42 12/22/22 (20)

Evidently... - E-Stat 05:38:44 12/22/22 (19)

Holy moley. I could use a pair of those... - ghost of olddude55 05:41:52 12/22/22 (18)

Those... - E-Stat 06:02:36 12/22/22 (17)

Cast iron skillet... - ghost of olddude55 07:48:08 12/22/22 (16)

RE: Cast iron skillet... - tincup 08:05:28 12/22/22 (15)

The Class D has enough power for Maggies. - ghost of olddude55 09:32:45 12/22/22 (14)

RE: The Class D has enough power for Maggies. - cawson@onetel.com 12:30:34 12/22/22 (1)

Which is about how much I paid for my car. - ghost of olddude55 13:56:35 12/22/22 (0)

Some Class D have enough power for Maggies. - AbeCollins 10:09:58 12/22/22 (11)

RE: Some Class D have enough power for Maggies. - samac 13:51:53 12/22/22 (7)

RE: Some Class D have enough power for Maggies. - AbeCollins 15:20:41 12/22/22 (6)

Looking into the PS Audio M700 - Cougar 08:10:41 12/23/22 (4)

RE: Looking into the PS Audio M700 - AbeCollins 11:52:44 12/23/22 (2)

does the AHB2 sound better than the PS Audio on the Tannoys? - Chuck 06:09:42 12/26/22 (0)

I replied to the PM you sent. - Cougar 12:25:56 12/23/22 (0)

If you do it... - ghost of olddude55 09:40:54 12/23/22 (0)

RE: Some Class D have enough power for Maggies. - samac 06:53:48 12/23/22 (0)

I've had my eye on those for some time. - ghost of olddude55 10:53:44 12/22/22 (2)

RE: I've had my eye on those for some time. - AbeCollins 13:20:41 12/22/22 (1)

Yep. TMR. nt - ghost of olddude55 13:57:05 12/22/22 (0)

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