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In Reply to: RE: your statement still isn't logical. posted by Ralph on February 17, 2025 at 09:04:29:
You never demonstrated anything of the sort. You simply stated that some old Class B amp you knew of didn't have zero crossing distortion.
Last time I checked, your statements are not factual proof of anything.
Show the measurements of the amp in question. Demonstrate how it is possible for a Class B amp to not have zero crossing distortion when it is clear that the transistors are going into cutoff and it is highly non-linear. The disjointedness of the handoff between transistors in Class B, where one is going into cutoff and is non-linear and the other is also non-linear (but with a different transfer function in that region) upon turn on is inherent in the devices and the Class B bias.
The amps that are Class AB and showing zero crossing distortion are ones where the bias has been set too low and they are not completely eliminating the zero crossing distortion as the transistors are now in a quite non-linear region of their transfer function. You can call this poor design if you want but it shows clearly what happens when the bias is set too low...exactly what you get in Class B.
What design trick could be made to eliminate the zero crossing when biasing an amp Class B? Oh wait! I know, bias it in Class AB or Class A! If done correctly it will eliminate or mostly eliminate the issue. If there was a better way to do it then I think you would see most amp makers doing that because you can of course get away with a smaller power supply because of the very low power consumption on idle. So, please spare me your "what if the designer has a way around the issue"...that way around the issue is to build a bigger power supply and bias the transistors with a lot higher quiescent current. Negative feedback is not the solution to this particular (or any really) problem with amp design.
BTW., one of the amp measurements I showed was a Naim amp. Not surprisingly, it has zero crossing distortion because...it's Class B!
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Follow Ups
- RE: your statement still isn't logical. - morricab 02/18/2508:58:43 02/18/25 (52)
- FWIW, something you may not know - Ralph 09:48:44 02/27/25 (4)
- Interesting - Tre' 12:44:37 03/9/25 (3)
- By this metric, all solid state amps are class A. - Ralph 09:52:24 03/10/25 (2)
- RE: By this metric, all solid state amps are class A. - Tre' 10:12:53 03/10/25 (1)
- RE: By this metric, all solid state amps are class A. - Ralph 10:24:42 03/10/25 (0)
- Apparently you've not been reading my posts. - Ralph 09:23:57 02/18/25 (46)
- RE: Apparently you've not been reading my posts. - morricab 07:30:36 02/24/25 (8)
- So who are you going to believe? - Ralph 08:16:42 02/24/25 (7)
- RE: So who are you going to believe? - morricab 08:23:38 02/24/25 (6)
- RE: So who are you going to believe? - morricab 03:15:56 02/26/25 (0)
- You gotta try harder than that- hearsay isn't evidence. nt - Ralph 08:39:12 02/24/25 (4)
- RE: You gotta try harder than that- hearsay isn't evidence. nt - morricab 03:17:42 02/26/25 (3)
- If you have the experience it would be first hand. - Ralph 09:48:24 02/26/25 (2)
- RE: If you have the experience it would be first hand. - morricab 00:53:52 03/3/25 (1)
- Res ipsa loquitur nt - Ralph 10:35:24 03/3/25 (0)
- RE: Apparently you've not been reading my posts. - morricab 07:28:04 02/24/25 (21)
- Actually no cold water - yet. - Ralph 08:37:27 02/24/25 (20)
- RE: Actually no cold water - yet. - morricab 03:00:06 02/26/25 (19)
- Apparently you've not been reading my posts. no speculation nt - Ralph 09:31:25 02/26/25 (18)
- RE: Apparently you've not been reading my posts. no speculation nt - morricab 00:58:01 03/3/25 (17)
- When you use name calling that is abusive on most websites. - Ralph 10:34:05 03/3/25 (16)
- RE: When you use name calling that is abusive on most websites. - morricab 00:09:33 03/4/25 (15)
- RE: When you use name calling that is abusive on most websites. - Ralph 08:58:48 03/4/25 (14)
- RE: When you use name calling that is abusive on most websites. - morricab 01:49:45 03/5/25 (5)
- When you attack the patent - Ralph 09:43:55 03/7/25 (4)
- RE: When you attack the patent - morricab 11:49:45 03/7/25 (3)
- Rolleyes... again, how would you like those results? - Ralph 09:59:31 03/10/25 (2)
- RE: Rolleyes... again, how would you like those results? - morricab 10:47:17 03/10/25 (1)
- Data posted at link. - Ralph 10:54:50 03/10/25 (0)
- RE: When you use name calling that is abusive on most websites. - morricab 01:37:00 03/5/25 (7)
- Please do not gaslight me. - Ralph 10:14:38 03/5/25 (6)
- RE: Please do not gaslight me. - morricab 07:08:49 03/7/25 (5)
- more gaslighting. - Ralph 08:27:44 03/7/25 (4)
- If you don't believe me then here is what Doug Self says - morricab 13:07:45 03/7/25 (2)
- :) clearly not a blameless amp - Ralph 10:06:05 03/10/25 (1)
- RE: :) clearly not a blameless amp - morricab 10:50:44 03/10/25 (0)
- RE: more gaslighting. - morricab 11:41:55 03/7/25 (0)
- RE: Apparently you've not been reading my posts. - morricab 04:34:35 02/24/25 (14)
- Since you have a burr under your saddle - Ralph 08:46:40 02/24/25 (13)
- RE: Since you have a burr under your saddle - morricab 03:12:23 02/26/25 (12)
- RE: Since you still have a burr under your saddle - Ralph 09:46:32 02/26/25 (11)
- RE: Since you still have a burr under your saddle - morricab 01:18:31 03/3/25 (10)
- RE: Since you still have a burr under your saddle - Ralph 10:28:52 03/3/25 (8)
- RE: Since you still have a burr under your saddle - morricab 00:15:22 03/4/25 (7)
- You are objuscating. - Ralph 09:12:51 03/4/25 (6)
- RE: You are objuscating. - morricab 01:41:27 03/5/25 (5)
- Apparently you're not interested in the truth. - Ralph 10:16:31 03/5/25 (4)
- RE: Apparently you're not interested in the truth. - morricab 11:52:33 03/7/25 (3)
- Again, for the 5th time now, what will you consider to be data? - Ralph 10:07:08 03/10/25 (2)
- RE: Again, for the 5th time now, what will you consider to be data? - morricab 10:51:49 03/10/25 (1)
- Data posted at link. - Ralph 10:58:02 03/10/25 (0)
- RE: Since you still have a burr under your saddle - morricab 01:22:59 03/3/25 (0)