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In Reply to: RE: Distortion and frequency response are good starting points posted by 13th Duke of Wymbourne on May 23, 2025 at 18:11:01:
Cheever states on page 40 of his thesis: "The aural harmonics play a more prominent role than the ears masking mechanism. There was no correlation between age and sex in these or other studies of aural harmonics." He defines aural harmonics on the preceding few pages before page 40.
He also notes that the aural harmonics order and amplitude are dependent on SPL. So, SPL needs to be accounted for in the metric because the ear gets less sensitive at higher SPL because of the increased amplitude and order of the aural harmonics.
It is interesting to note that Cheever makes a prediction (remember this thesis is from 2001) that single ended designs will continue to become more and more widespread. He was bang on because I saw a whole lot of SET tube love at Munich this (and last few) year.
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Follow Ups Full ThreadTopic - What Makes SET Amps Tick? - PaulF70 18:19:22 05/16/25 (131)
- RE: What Makes SET Amps Tick? - PaulF70 18:55:35 05/31/25 (0)
- RE: What Makes SET Amps Tick? - PaulF70 17:45:24 05/21/25 (5)
- If that amp makes about 7 Watts - Ralph 13:13:29 05/22/25 (4)
- RE: If that amp makes about 7 Watts - PaulF70 09:03:45 05/23/25 (3)
- What PP amp did you use - Ralph 10:52:14 05/27/25 (2)
- RE: What PP amp did you use - PaulF70 17:10:30 05/28/25 (1)
- Uh, no you didn't. - Ralph 08:41:56 05/29/25 (0)
- If they work properly they don't tick. - Ralph 13:00:24 05/20/25 (37)
- Blameless amplifiers... - cellailuca 03:13:54 06/21/25 (0)
- RE: If they work properly they don't tick. - PaulF70 17:57:55 05/20/25 (35)
- RE: If they work properly they don't tick. - Ralph 08:44:34 05/21/25 (24)
- RE: If they work properly they don't tick. - morricab 11:56:30 05/21/25 (21)
- Apparently you and he don't know the difference between class B and C nt - Ralph 12:50:33 05/21/25 (20)
- Self defense - 13th Duke of Wymbourne 16:41:06 05/21/25 (19)
- RE: Self defense - Ralph 09:46:00 05/22/25 (18)
- Crossing over - 13th Duke of Wymbourne 13:03:24 05/24/25 (17)
- RE: Crossing over - Ralph 10:26:50 05/27/25 (15)
- RE: Crossing over - PaulF70 09:42:38 05/28/25 (14)
- No, that's not the same. - Ralph 10:40:39 05/28/25 (13)
- RE: No, that's not the same. - PaulF70 19:56:13 05/28/25 (12)
- RE: No, I'm saying we don't know what is really happening here due to the use of innuendo - Ralph 08:25:58 05/29/25 (11)
- RE: No, I'm saying we don't know what is really happening here due to the use of innuendo - PaulF70 09:12:56 05/30/25 (10)
- RE: No, I'm saying we don't know what is really happening here due to the use of innuendo - PaulF70 16:49:21 06/2/25 (5)
- RE: No, I'm saying we don't know what is really happening here due to the use of innuendo - morricab 23:27:10 06/2/25 (4)
- RE: No, I'm saying we don't know what is really happening here due to the use of innuendo - PaulF70 21:16:27 06/3/25 (3)
- Time for some feedback - 13th Duke of Wymbourne 01:11:08 06/4/25 (2)
- The only issue here is what is the actual class of operation. - Ralph 08:53:13 06/23/25 (0)
- RE: Time for some feedback - morricab 07:48:44 06/5/25 (0)
- RE: No, I'm saying we don't know what is really happening here due to the use of innuendo - morricab 12:11:35 06/1/25 (3)
- RE: No, I'm saying we don't know what is really happening here due to the use of innuendo - PaulF70 17:28:17 06/4/25 (1)
- RE: No, I'm saying we don't know what is really happening here due to the use of innuendo - morricab 07:49:38 06/5/25 (0)
- Clearly you're not in a position to know. nt - Ralph 07:46:14 06/3/25 (0)
- RE: Crossing over - PaulF70 08:47:33 05/25/25 (0)
- RE: If they work properly they don't tick. - PaulF70 11:48:28 05/21/25 (1)
- RE: If they work properly they don't tick. - Ralph 12:48:52 05/21/25 (0)
- RE: If they work properly they don't tick. - morricab 00:41:22 05/21/25 (9)
- RE: If they work properly they don't tick. - PaulF70 13:08:25 05/21/25 (4)
- I doubt that is due to crossover distortion - Ralph 13:05:45 05/22/25 (0)
- RE: If they work properly they don't tick. - morricab 08:25:12 05/22/25 (2)
- RE: If they work properly they don't tick. - PaulF70 09:48:39 05/28/25 (0)
- Yes, its not transformer insulation! - Ralph 13:02:59 05/22/25 (0)
- Ever consider writing novels? - Ralph 08:45:46 05/21/25 (3)
- RE: Ever consider writing novels? - morricab 12:01:13 05/21/25 (2)
- So please explain what class C is - Ralph 12:51:45 05/21/25 (1)
- RE: So please explain what class C is - morricab 06:32:40 05/22/25 (0)
- RE: What Makes SET Amps Tick? - Geofdillon@gmail.com 23:10:07 05/18/25 (21)
- RE: What Makes SET Amps Tick? - morricab 00:45:33 05/21/25 (20)
- RE: What Makes SET Amps Tick? - 13th Duke of Wymbourne 18:45:16 05/21/25 (6)
- Read Cheever's thesis...it's easy to do... - morricab 06:27:25 05/22/25 (5)
- Problems with Cheever's thesis - Ralph 10:59:58 05/22/25 (4)
- RE: Problems with Cheever's thesis - morricab 09:30:48 05/26/25 (3)
- RE: Problems with Cheever's thesis - Ralph 09:08:52 05/27/25 (2)
- RE: Problems with Cheever's thesis - morricab 12:18:07 06/1/25 (1)
- This seems in contradiction to another post you made - Ralph 08:23:50 06/2/25 (0)
- RE: What Makes SET Amps Tick? - Geofdillon@gmail.com 13:18:06 05/21/25 (0)
- This statement is false. - Ralph 11:37:31 05/21/25 (11)
- Not according to Cheever - morricab 12:04:08 05/21/25 (10)
- And the possiblity you are quoting him correctly is?? - Ralph 12:53:49 05/21/25 (9)
- Read his thesis why don't you? - morricab 06:15:47 05/22/25 (8)
- RE: Read his thesis why don't you? - 13th Duke of Wymbourne 13:40:37 05/24/25 (6)
- RE: Read his thesis why don't you? - morricab 09:35:49 05/26/25 (5)
- RE: Read his thesis why don't you? - 13th Duke of Wymbourne 13:31:05 05/26/25 (4)
- RE: Read his thesis why don't you? - morricab 06:36:01 05/27/25 (3)
- RE: Read his thesis why don't you? - 13th Duke of Wymbourne 13:38:06 05/28/25 (2)
- RE: Read his thesis why don't you? - morricab 12:22:15 06/1/25 (1)
- RE: Read his thesis why don't you? - 13th Duke of Wymbourne 16:31:15 06/1/25 (0)
- Read it years ago. - Ralph 10:20:25 05/22/25 (0)
- RE: What Makes SET Amps Tick? - AbeCollins 06:07:02 05/18/25 (7)
- An effective solution - E-Stat 16:00:28 05/18/25 (4)
- Not looking for a solution - AbeCollins 15:34:35 05/19/25 (1)
- Which has become a non issue for the informed -nt - E-Stat 15:54:23 05/19/25 (0)
- RE: An effective solution - MaggiesAndCats 07:02:53 05/19/25 (1)
- Herbie's used on amps - E-Stat 13:15:05 05/19/25 (0)
- RE: What Makes SET Amps Tick? - Tre' 08:13:50 05/18/25 (1)
- Good point! - nt - AbeCollins 15:35:01 05/19/25 (0)
- RE: What Makes SET Amps Tick? - hahax@verizon.net 19:17:17 05/16/25 (55)
- RE: What Makes SET Amps Tick? - mgbpuff 06:11:41 05/17/25 (53)
- that's correct -- it's the "SE" not the "T"... - mhardy6647 08:13:16 05/17/25 (52)
- RE: that's correct -- it's the "SE" not the "T"... - hahax@verizon.net 20:43:51 05/17/25 (0)
- RE: that's correct -- it's the "SE" not the "T"... - mgbpuff 09:05:46 05/17/25 (50)
- No amplifying devices are linear - 13th Duke of Wymbourne 08:06:29 05/19/25 (36)
- Yes but some devices are a lot more linear than others - Tre' 07:15:36 05/20/25 (35)
- RE: Yes but some devices are a lot more linear than others - 13th Duke of Wymbourne 18:40:26 05/20/25 (34)
- RE: Yes but some devices are a lot more linear than others - hahax@verizon.net 22:16:20 05/21/25 (23)
- Distortion and frequency response are good starting points - 13th Duke of Wymbourne 23:38:20 05/21/25 (22)
- RE: Distortion and frequency response are good starting points - Ralph 11:14:00 05/22/25 (17)
- RE: Distortion and frequency response are good starting points - PaulF70 08:38:25 06/1/25 (3)
- Totally agree! - Ralph 08:24:29 06/2/25 (0)
- Distortion vs power - 13th Duke of Wymbourne 11:54:51 06/1/25 (1)
- RE: Distortion vs power - morricab 08:49:28 06/17/25 (0)
- RE: Distortion and frequency response are good starting points - 13th Duke of Wymbourne 18:11:01 05/23/25 (12)
- RE: Distortion and frequency response are good starting points - Ralph 10:46:12 05/27/25 (10)
- RE: Distortion and frequency response are good starting points - morricab 12:32:27 06/1/25 (1)
- Correct. - Ralph 08:22:36 06/2/25 (0)
- Pedantically, our ears use the pressure of the sound to sense the sound pressure - 13th Duke of Wymbourne 16:54:56 05/29/25 (7)
- Its easy to show that higher ordered harmonics are what the ear uses - Ralph 08:26:40 05/30/25 (6)
- RE: Its easy to show that higher ordered harmonics are what the ear uses - morricab 12:36:12 06/1/25 (3)
- :) so which is it? - Ralph 08:21:22 06/2/25 (2)
- RE: :) so which is it? - morricab 07:50:41 06/5/25 (1)
- You misread my prior post. Please go back and read it again. nt - Ralph 09:12:14 06/20/25 (0)
- I retain my title as Most Pedantic Inmate - 13th Duke of Wymbourne 19:28:47 05/31/25 (1)
- RE: I retain my title as Most Pedantic Inmate :) - Ralph 08:57:38 06/2/25 (0)
- RE: Distortion and frequency response are good starting points - morricab 05/26/2510:05:15 05/26/25 (0)
- RE: Distortion and frequency response are good starting points - morricab 06:14:16 05/22/25 (3)
- RE: Distortion and frequency response are good starting points - PaulF70 08:25:03 05/24/25 (2)
- chaotic behavior - Ralph 07:55:21 06/3/25 (0)
- RE: Distortion and frequency response are good starting points - 13th Duke of Wymbourne 15:25:22 05/25/25 (0)
- RE: Yes but some devices are a lot more linear than others - morricab 00:49:44 05/21/25 (9)
- There is a system that takes advantage of psychoacoustics - 13th Duke of Wymbourne 23:40:17 05/21/25 (1)
- I know another one...- - morricab 12:44:28 06/1/25 (0)
- A straight wire with gain wouldn't work right with most speakers - Ralph 09:08:20 05/21/25 (6)
- RE: A straight wire with gain wouldn't work right with most speakers - PaulF70 08:31:42 05/24/25 (3)
- RE: A straight wire with gain wouldn't work right with most speakers - PaulF70 09:37:40 05/28/25 (1)
- Yes, and - Ralph 07:48:53 06/3/25 (0)
- RE: A straight wire with gain wouldn't work right with most speakers - Ralph 10:33:40 05/27/25 (0)
- Its a sonic metaphor...-DUH! - morricab 12:05:44 05/21/25 (1)
- Yes. And its one that doesn't hold up if you think about it just a little bit. nt - Ralph 12:54:33 05/21/25 (0)
- " Solid state devices are not as linear as tubes..., so a feedback circuit is required" - 1973shovel 04:16:57 05/18/25 (9)
- RE: " Solid state devices are not as linear as tubes..., so a feedback circuit is required" - morricab 00:52:55 05/21/25 (5)
- RE: " Solid state devices are not as linear as tubes..., so a feedback circuit is required" - hahax@verizon.net 22:18:20 05/21/25 (1)
- RE: " Solid state devices are not as linear as tubes..., so a feedback circuit is required" - morricab 12:56:38 06/1/25 (0)
- FWIW Ayre solid state amps are zero feedback and don't use SITs nt - Ralph 09:02:11 05/21/25 (2)
- And? Never said it had to be SITs... - morricab 12:29:33 05/21/25 (1)
- Yes. It was FWIW, just pointing it out nt - Ralph 13:17:28 05/21/25 (0)
- RE: " Solid state devices are not as linear as tubes..., so a feedback circuit is required" - mgbpuff 11:30:56 05/18/25 (2)
- RE: " Solid state devices are not as linear as tubes..., so a feedback circuit is required" - hahax@verizon.net 20:51:00 05/18/25 (1)
- Not correct - E-Stat 13:29:42 05/19/25 (0)
- RE: that's correct -- it's the "SE" not the "T"... - hahax@verizon.net 20:42:03 05/17/25 (0)
- yes, I am -- ahem -- rather familiar with SE DHT amplification - mhardy6647 18:37:10 05/17/25 (1)
- RE: yes, I am -- ahem -- rather familiar with SE DHT amplification - morricab 00:55:21 05/21/25 (0)
- RE: What Makes SET Amps Tick? - PaulF70 19:38:29 05/16/25 (0)
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- RE: Distortion and frequency response are good starting points - morricab 05/26/2510:05:15 05/26/25 (0)